Active shooter at Garlic Festival in Ca

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Santino William Legan was a white supremacists

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"Why pave more space for Silicon Valley white twats?"
Yup. Definitely sounds like a white supremacist.

He actually identifies as an Italian Iranian.

 

[FSUTribe76]

When Henry VIII dissolved the religious orders, he seized the Bethlem Hospital in London, England's only asylum for the mentally ill. However, shortly before he died in 1547 he transferred its control to the Corporation of London. It then became a civic rather than a religious institution.

But the City aldermen struggled to keep it running and in 1574, they handed its management to the Bridewell, a hospital for the 'idle poor'. The Bethlem at this time could only hold a maximum of 40 people and was often only half full.

The new governors had a strict admission policy, taking in only those who were 'raving and furious and capable of cure, or if not yet are likely to do mischief to themselves or others'. . . .

The Bethlem's first medical 'keeper'
In 1619, Helkiah Crooke became the Bethlem's first medically qualified 'keeper'. He was a controversial character who had accused the previous keeper of irregularities and who was constantly at odds with the Royal College of Physicians.

Unfortunately, his medical qualification was all that distinguished him from previous keepers. In 1632, a Royal Commission found that he had been falsifying accounts and stealing donations while depriving his patients of food and basic comforts.

Crook was dismissed in 1633, but his influence was long-lasting. His appointment reflected changing attitudes to treating the mentally ill. It was no longer felt to be a matter for lay people using traditional methods - from now on, the hospital would always be run by a medical officer with a team of medical staff.
https://historicengland.org.uk/rese...ental-illness-in-the-16th-and-17th-centuries/

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So you’re trying to say that mental illness treated by locking people in a prison at a time when they didn’t know what cancer was, didn’t know bacteria and viruses caused physical illness etc... is proof the Founders understood and considered PTSD and involuntarily celibate white boys killing numerous people with over the counter AR guns that can shoot shoot 100 rounds out a high capacity clip in less than a minute when the average trained soldier at the time the second amendment was written took 15-30 seconds to fire one inaccurate, nonrifled musket shot?

 

[pablow]

So you’re trying to say that mental illness treated by locking people in a prison at a time when they didn’t know what cancer was, didn’t know bacteria and viruses caused physical illness etc... is proof the Founders understood and considered PTSD and involuntarily celibate white boys killing numerous people with over the counter AR guns that can shoot shoot 100 rounds out a high capacity clip in less than a minute when the average trained soldier at the time the second amendment was written took 15-30 seconds to fire one inaccurate, nonrifled musket shot?

I'm trying to point out that you post a lot of misinformation. Our founders and the whole civilized world knew there were crazies out there that were dangerous to self and others. Your post falsely claimed otherwise.

 

[sober_teacher]

I'm in favor of tightening up existing laws around mental health reporting and use in background checks. I'd refocus some of the vast resources the federal government is already using to track US citizens to take a bigger look at people who post threats on social media. The NSA can simply forward tips to local law enforcement.

There are pros and cons to the mental health reporting thing though. Let's say there's a military vet with PTSD. This vet likes to plink squirrels with a .22 rifle. If he gets diagnosed with PTSD, he might get his .22 rifle taken away, so he decides he's better off not seeking treatment, even though he has no desire to shoot people, and is not a threat to shoot people.

I would also like to see some way of tracking how many guns are purchased by a private citizen over the course of time. It's an outlier of course, but the Vegas shooter bought something like 30+ guns, all legally, in the year prior to the shooting. Something like that should be able to be flagged as well for law enforcement to look at. If nothing else, just to verify that the person does in fact have all those guns. They couldn't confiscate any of them but that person would be on their radar going forward.

 

[here_for_the_hawkeyes]

Sounds like the gun was an AK 47 purchased in Nevada

 

[FSUTribe76]

I'm trying to point out that you post a lot of misinformation. Our founders and the whole civilized world knew there were crazies out there that were dangerous to self and others. Your post falsely claimed otherwise.

Yes you posted that in all of England there was one prison for “crazies”. To rebut that I said psychiatry didn’t exist before the 1800s (it did NOT). Which is exactly like the rest of the medical knowledge at the time that didn’t understand bacterial and virus infections, the need for cleanliness during “surgeries” that consisted of lopping limbs off etc... To say that musket using colonials who thought mental illness was a sign of possession understood our modern dangers of PTSD afflicted veterans and hormonal incel white boys angry because women won’t talk to them could get easy access to weapons that can kill hundreds in a few minutes is absurd.

 

[unIowa]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7920010/cia-mkultra-mind-control-drugs-hypnosis-electric-documents/

Program dev ongoing under offshore [not domestic] 'tangent' agency?

Covert funding?

Animals > Humans

Humans 1988

71% avg success rate.

Targeted (mental) 'criteria' designated as [ , ].

Mental institutions & therapists > 'program-specialists'…..

Cocktail regimen 4x daily brain intercept [administered by ]

Hint:

https://ncats.nih.gov/pubs/features/brain-signals-action

WIA military personnel targets of the program?

PTSD+

Clandestine Black OPs > zero affiliation (non_stick)

Something out of a movie?

Fiction?

The hole is deep.

 

[unIowa]

Not so sure Arabs are not Caucasian, too, although one definition of Arab is one who speaks Arabian. Yes, many are "brown." But some aren't. This is in reference to one of the Squad ladies. BTW, when I got online late last night, the sheriff was giving a report and the shooter was listed as Ian Long, 28, former Marine. So now there is Long and this other shooter?

There is also a push from groups to get MENA as a category of race on the US Census, this is being pushed by American citizens and group of decendants from the Middle East and Northern Africa.

I think we just had a thread on this and how Trump's govt decided not to included when it had been suggested by the people at the Census.

 

[unIowa]

Ok Magat.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ings-united-states.html?mtrref=www.google.com

Almost all school shootings are young white males. Almost all public shootings where the victims are strangers/innocent audience members are white males. Almost all former workplace shootings are white males.

Magat media can claim only proportionality (because if you define it like this then nonLatino white males are shooters 63% of the time and make up 61% of the population) if you use the FBI definition of a mass shooting meaning more than 4 victims. But that definition means that gang violence where the shooter is trying to kill specific people often in private settings is blended in with public shootings where innocents are purposefully slaughtered.

So yeah, black males are proportionally more likely to participate in gang violence and kill each other. And white males are proportionally more likely to shoot up a random mall, a fair, a movie theatre and especially a school to just murder ANYONE. Guess which one I’m not concerned about considering I’m not a Blood or a Crip?

You just called the moderator of this board (all of Hawkeye Report), and from what I have seen someone that leans more left than right, a MAGAt...nice knowing ya.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Ian Long is the shooter at Thousand Oaks so if he said that, it was probably a cut and paste speech that someone forgot to paste the new name into.

But there is still allegations of a second shooter. A lot of time because of the panic, a second shooter is just responding LEOs or bystanders being misidentified. But there are reports of LEOs “chasing” a second gunman, so maybe there was.

don't believe he actually said a name, the name was on the screen below, practically the whole time the sheriff/chief talked. I would think this is not good journalism to put a name unrelated to the present shooting on the screen.

 

[grayhair81]

He actually identifies as an Italian Iranian.

Yes. And the bottom line is NO ONE knows his true motivation for doing what he did. But it sure is great political theater. We are a sick society.

 

[FSUTribe76]

You just called the moderator of this board (all of Hawkeye Report), and from what I have seen someone that leans more left than right, a MAGAt...nice knowing ya.

Well in my defense someone who disbelieves that white males are more likely to shoot random people than anyone else despite decades of evidence to the contrary could only be someone dumb and racist enough to be a MAGAT. But maybe I have too high of an opinion on the intelligence and bias of the average American. So I withdrew the MAGAT accusation as that is slur that should only go directly on the lovers of Drumpf.

 

[unIowa]

Well in my defense someone who disbelieves that white males are more likely to shoot random people than anyone else despite decades of evidence to the contrary could only be someone dumb and racist enough to be a MAGAT. But maybe I have too high of an opinion on the intelligence and bias of the average American. So I withdrew the MAGAT accusation as that is slur that should only go directly on the lovers of Drumpf.

Define random?

I think this may be where the hang up lies between yourself and Mr Kakert.

 

[RTM58]

Why did Siri capitalize ‘Caucus’? Did she post the picture for you too?

Look, you got a little cocky and made a mistake. These things happen. But blaming your error on a voice-activated virtual assistant only makes you look worse. Just be a man, own your mistake, and keep moving forward.

Yep, and the pic is of Chechen women not Iranians, so talk about going 0 for......

 

[FSUTribe76]

Define random?

I think this may be where the hang up lies between yourself and Mr Kakert.

I did in the followup post. White males (especially 15-30) shoot up complete strangers in public places at a rate far in excess of their population percentage (79% public random shootings versus 61% population). Black males shoot at specific target as part of gang violence/drug related shootings in a rate far in excess of their population (35% versus 14% of the population). If you do like the FBI does and define a mass shooting ONLY by number of victims then white males only slightly exceed their per capita by about 2% and black males by about 3%. But when broken down into their boxes of what I’m concerned about ie random violence in public settings where I would potentially be its victim as I’m not hanging out at a Blood block party then it’s white males to be afraid of.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Why do you have no interest in the murders of our under privileged?

It’s also disgusting that you smear every murder victim as a gang member

Who was the blood in this article? Who was the crip?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/28/nyregion/brooklyn-shooting-brownsville-park.html

I do, but you’re talking about two different problems. The only real commonality is the easy access to weapons with mass killing potential.

But white males killing random people is a combination of poorly treated mental illness combined with the rampant hate being pushed on social media from the far right. The black males killing mainly each other stems from a severe overcriminalization of SOME forms for recreational drugs rather than treating addiction and misuse as a disease mixed with the promotion of violence and toxic masculinity within the “rap” culture. Both issues should be tackled head on dealing (increased access to mental health providers, stamping down of right wing hate groups in social media as a public health concern, etc... for one and continued legalisation using tax dollars for increased addiction treatment and increasing access to education and other “outlets” from the video black “urban” culture on the other), but they are completely different problems and completely different solutions.

 

[RTM58]

"Why pave more space for Silicon Valley white twats?"
Yup. Definitely sounds like a white supremacist.

Staaaaaahp with the facts. He was clearly a white supremacists.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Say you are walking down an abandoned road

One sidewalk has a white guy
The other sidewalk has a black guy

Statistically, which is more likely to murder you?

Since I’m a white male, the answer is the white guy. By a LOT! Black males kill white guys 15% of the time and make up 14% of the population. White males kill white guys 81% of the time and only make up 61% of the population.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2015.xls

Now if I was a black guy, maybe I need to keep an eye on that black guy and from the street. But as the white male that I am, the white guy is far more likely to kill me.

 

[Monzon]

You just called the moderator of this board (all of Hawkeye Report), and from what I have seen someone that leans more left than right, a MAGAt...nice knowing ya.

That's not the mod of this board. It's another fake screen name.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Yep, and the pic is of Chechen women not Iranians, so talk about going 0 for......

Ok assuming those were Chechens (and I have no idea if true or not since I image searched Iranian women and that popped up, but maybe you can speak the language or something) that doesn’t change the fact that the natives of what is now Iran are predominantly Caucasian with some other ethnicities (mainly immigrants from Pakistan and that area) mixed in.

Also to the guy you were responding to, yes if you capitalise something and Siri autocorrects it stays capitalised. It’s not autocapitilization.

 

[unIowa]

That's not the mod of this board. It's another fake screen name.

Who TF creates a fake handle for the mod of the entire site? Too bad that guy wasn't at Garlic Fest.

 

[unIowa]

Yep, and the pic is of Chechen women not Iranians, so talk about going 0 for......

I like all of these that are over 18 years of age.

 

[pablow]

Since I’m a white male, the answer is the white guy. By a LOT! Black males kill white guys 15% of the time and make up 14% of the population. White males kill white guys 81% of the time and only make up 61% of the population.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2015.xls

Now if I was a black guy, maybe I need to keep an eye on that black guy and from the street. But as the white male that I am, the white guy is far more likely to kill me.

The fact that blacks tend to kill blacks and whites tend to kill whites is due to segregation. We tend not to kill strangers for no reason.

The better question is - if I'm going to get into drug dealing, should I get my drugs from a black guy or a white guy? Statistically, which would I be safer owing $10,000 to?

 

[BrunoMars420]

I enjoy how this argument is going into “what is a white person” to place blame on a group of people. Keep it up the good work extremists.

 

[RTM58]

Ok assuming those were Chechens (and I have no idea if true or not since I image searched Iranian women and that popped up.

That says it all...

 

[unIowa]

Yes. And the bottom line is NO ONE knows his true motivation for doing what he did. But it sure is great political theater. We are a sick society.

He stated to a person at the festivle that he was "really angry" so mabye just another kid who handn't been told 'no' enough times in his life. Maybe a kid that was bullied. Who knows, but one thing is for certain we need to be able to instill values in our youth that everyones life is special and does not deserve to be snuffed out.

 

[noleclone2]

Lol...Did you miss the OP? Why no disgust for that? Gee I wonder.

What’s there to be disgusted with? His campaign is literally MAGA. There have been an onslaught of horrific shootings. Trump and the GOP, completely in bed with the NRA have not done one damn thing about it.

Because as a white guy, you don’t spend nearly as much time around black people. It is not because they are principled murderers bound to duty and responsibility.

Surely you aren’t dumb enough to actually misunderstand basic stats so badly, are you?


Go walk through a Baltimore ghetto and Appalachia and let me know where you are more likely to be the victim of violence, honky

holy chit. Trump has an account here!!!!

 

[FSUTribe76]

Because as a white guy, you don’t spend nearly as much time around black people. It is not because they are principled murderers bound to duty and responsibility.

Surely you aren’t dumb enough to actually misunderstand basic stats so badly, are you?

I’m around black people all the time. I live in a town made up of 36% blacks and my employees are about 50% black and I haven’t been murdered yet. So I stand by the statistics. If I’m going to be murdered it’s likely by a white guy. And probably some incel listening to Rush Limbaugh at that since I don’t have any real “rivals”.

 

[Monzon]

Who TF creates a fake handle for the mod of the entire site? Too bad that guy wasn't at Garlic Fest.

Probably someone who has daddy issues and thinks he's a great troll despite adding nothing of value to any conversation. Reference Carruth, Hunt and a number of other sudden new/fake names within the last few days.

And it's someone who probably shouldn't exercise 2A.

 

[TJ8869]

Also to the guy you were responding to, yes if you capitalise something and Siri autocorrects it stays capitalised. It’s not autocapitilization.

Lol. Still blaming that daft bint Siri for your mistake, I see.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

This whole thing stinks. I’m not gonna mince words here. I’m gonna chop

What’s there to be disgusted with? His campaign is literally MAGA. There have been an onslaught of horrific shootings. Trump and the GOP, completely in bed with the NRA have not done one damn thing about it.

holy chit. Trump has an account here!!!!

I’m not disgusted. Billanole is...but only when ones side acts in a certain way.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Because as a white guy, you don’t spend nearly as much time around black people. It is not because they are principled murderers bound to duty and responsibility.

Surely you aren’t dumb enough to actually misunderstand basic stats so badly, are you?


Go walk through a Baltimore ghetto and Appalachia and let me know where you are more likely to be the victim of violence, honky

Your pointy hat is showing.

I have no problems walking around Baltimore, in fact I was there just two years ago I believe and had a great vacation. I was perfectly fine since I’m not infected with completely irrational fear of black Americans from watching too much Fauxnews.

Of the 309 murder victims in Baltimore, 94% were black and 83% of the victims themselves had a criminal record. So since I’m not a black drug dealer or gangbanger I’m perfectly fine in Baltimore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...-homicides-20190102-story.html?outputType=amp

 

[FSUTribe76]

So, you would indeed feel more comfortable walking through a Baltimore ghetto than an Appalachian trailer park?

It’s a pretty straightforward hypothetical

100% because I’m not afraid of people based on irrational fears generated from Fauxnews. I literally just showed you the statistics.

I’m not purposefully walking through either because poor areas regardless of where they are higher crime rates. But I’m far more likely to inadvertently stumble through a poor inner city neighbourhood than a trailer park in the middle of nowhere.

 

[TJ8869]

I have no problems walking around Baltimore, in fact I was there just two years ago I believe and had a great vacation. I was perfectly fine since I’m not infected with completely irrational fear of black Americans from watching too much Fauxnews.

Does Siri sometimes intentionally route you through ghetto neighborhoods just to f*ck with you?

 

[FSU_UCLA]

So, you would indeed feel more comfortable walking through a Baltimore ghetto than an Appalachian trailer park?

It’s a pretty straightforward hypothetical

Speaking as a white guy who has spent a fair amount of time in both of those settings, I am, personally, FAR more comfortable in Baltimore.

Also, as I am literally sitting in an Iranian cafe on Persian Square in the heart of Tehrangeles at this very moment, I feel compelled to mention that not only are Iranians Caucasian, they are also literally Aryan.

The U.S. has a terrible gun problem, a terrible mental health problem, and a terrible “male” problem. People are arguing about minor variables when discussing the race or political ideology of the shooters. The most consistent factor, by far, in these acts of violence is the sex of the perpetrator.

People on the pro-gun side, always reference “mental health” in the aftermath of these shootings. What do you want us, the mental health professionals, to do?

We have no “red flag” laws, and even if we did, we can’t break confidentiality to act on them without losing our licenses and likely facing a life destroying lawsuit. I can’t even get a floridly psychotic person who believes I am a demon and thinks that eating the dog poo from the sidewalk protects him from chem trails placed in protective/involuntary hospitalization.

People on the anti-gun side clamor for gun laws that won’t stop mass shootings.

What would actually help? 1) comprehensive, on-going mental health assessment and education beginning in elementary school. 2) committing to changing gun culture in the U.S. If we could start stigmatizing gun ownership even to just the degree that we stigmatize smoking cigarettes and cheating at sports, then we could make an impact. Here’s your slogan: “Make Guns Trashy!” 3) committing to stamping out all elements of toxic masculininty wherever they pop up and ooze into U.S. culture.

 

[Pepperman]

The U.S. has a terrible gun problem, a terrible mental health problem, and a terrible “male” problem.

You forgot to add the most important problem the US has:

A parenting problem.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

You forgot to add the most important problem the US has:

A parenting problem.

I don’t believe that the U.S. has a parenting problem.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I don’t believe that the U.S. has a parenting problem.

because there are no parents. the kids are supposed to be raised by the school system now. and daycare. we have a schooling problem apparently.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

In shocking news, local man of Occupation A thinks the cure to society’s issues is to give all the power to Occupation A

occupation? what's that?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I've been outside working on a car and it's 100 degrees so I came in... did we learn he was Iranian or something? and he likes an anti-Christian book? from the 1800's?