All-Star classic pbp/discussion

[HawkFan1986]

Who thought Texas was a good idea?

I think it’s just family and coaches there. Flo is based on Austin so I’m guessing that’s the reason for the venue. I wish they would have held it in an actual arena instead of a hotel ballroom which is what this feels like.

Only the hardcore fans are watching at this point.

 

[OILCHECKER]

both looked tired, been on the road for a week. is there no 5 second count on ankle this year?

That's not an actual rule

 

[jrod65]

Every time I start a PBP thread, I have a sliver of hope that it won't turn into hot garbage.

I am repeatedly reminded that I am a big ol' moran for having such lofty goals.

 

[jrod65]

Shilson/Prussin should be a good one.

Good match. Prussin led 4-0 at break. Shilson responded with a td and lace to take criteria lead. Last sec 4pt for Shilson to get the 8-4 win

 

[jrod65]

Legacy match! Carr vs Monday

No score, 2 min in. Scoreless after 1.

Carr takes down. Quick escape 1-0 Carr. No action.

Monday starts down in 3rd. Carr putting on a ride. Up to 1 min of rt, challenge for locked hands. No locked hands. 1-0 Carr. Escape Monday

Carr defends and takes the 2-1 win.

 

[PSU Mike]

Legacy match! Carr vs Monday

No score, 2 min in. Scoreless after 1.

Carr takes down. Quick escape 1-0 Carr. No action.

Monday starts down in 3rd. Carr putting on a ride. Up to 1 min of rt, challenge for locked hands. No locked hands. 1-0 Carr. Escape Monday

Carr defends and takes the 2-1 win.

Thinking Carr only distances himself as he adjusts to the move up.

 

[HawkFan1986]

Thinking Carr only distances himself as he adjusts to the move up.

I don’t think Monday is the guy Carr has to worry about at 165. These next two guys are a few of the big dogs.

 

[jrod65]

Thinking Carr only distances himself as he adjusts to the move up.

Felt to me like Carr was doing just enough to get the win. Didn't appear like he was looking to run up the score.

 

[jrod65]

O'Toole vs Hamiti

Quick td for O'Toole. O'Toole still riding, over 1 min of rt already. O'Toole rides out the entire period. 2-0

2nd period, O'Toole starts down. Reversal O'Toole and escape Hamiti, 4-1 end 2nd

Hamiti goes neutral in 3rd(wise choice)
Low level shot by Hamiti, but O'Toole turns it into his points. 7-1 final

 

[PSU Mike]

I don’t think Monday is the guy Carr has to worry about at 165. These next two guys are a few of the big dogs.

I don’t disagree. I think he’ll improve relative to many of them, regardless of where he stands wrt to them now.

 

[HawkFan1986]

News flash. KOT is good at wrestling. He made that look pretty easy against a very good offensive wrestler in Hamiti.

 

[jrod65]

Gomez vs Sasso

No score 1/2 way into 1st. Still scoreless after 1.

Gomez takes down. Quick escape, 1-0 Gomez. Inside trip for Sasso, Gomez tries bodylock, but Sasso comes out on top. 2-1 Sasso.

Escape Gomez. Scramble ensues and Sasso gets the td, 4-2 after 2. There's a review

Oh my, Gomez has 3 tds in the 3rd already... 8-8. Gomez in on a leg and gets the td. Winner Gomez!

Hell of a finish

 

[IAChief32]

Every time I start a PBP thread, I have a sliver of hope that it won't turn into hot garbage.

I am repeatedly reminded that I am a big ol' moran for having such lofty goals.

You’re doing the Lord’s work JRod. Most valuable poster on this forum.

 

[jrod65]

You’re doing the Lord’s work JRod. Most valuable poster on this forum.

 

[Aleric1]

Gomez goes off in the third with 4 TDs.

 

[jrod65]

Gomez goes off in the third with 4 TDs.

Wasn't going to be denied! Fantastic stuff

 

[jrod65]

Starocci vs Lewis

No score 1/2 way through 1st. Still scoreless. Starocci starts down and quick escape

Starocci gets to a leg, but Lewis able to defend, no points. Stall warning on Lewis

3rd period, Lewis starts down. Starocci riding tough, closing in on the rt point

35 sec to go, Starocci still controlling Lewis. Winner Starocci 2-0.

 

[Sett1997]

Can't stand Starocci, kid is a great tactician though.

 

[rossel 33]

Kerk was getting closer and closer each match.
9-0, 7-2, 6-4 SV
Cassioppi isn't pulling away.

Some here mention getting "caught flat footed." Yeah, but why?

Cass, like Warner, looked slower. This happens all too often with Iowa wrestlers, imho.

Heavy hands, collar ties, pushing are common with Iowa. Athleticism, quickness, allowing them to get to the legs, is a skill set seen in top wrestlers, including many PSU wrestlers, and not so often seen with Iowa. I suspect some of this is related to the quality of the recruit.

 

[Sett1997]

Some here mention getting "caught flat footed." Yeah, but why?

Cass, like Warner, looked slower. This happens all too often with Iowa wrestlers, imho.

Heavy hands, collar ties, pushing are common with Iowa. Athleticism, quickness, allowing them to get to the legs, is a skill set seen in top wrestlers, including many PSU wrestlers, and not so often seen with Iowa. I suspect some of this is related to the quality of the recruit.

Carl does coach them up though, they seem to improve every year.
See Desanto vs Rby and now Kirk vs Cass.

 

[oldhawk56]

Some here mention getting "caught flat footed." Yeah, but why?

Cass, like Warner, looked slower. This happens all too often with Iowa wrestlers, imho.

Heavy hands, collar ties, pushing are common with Iowa. Athleticism, quickness, allowing them to get to the legs, is a skill set seen in top wrestlers, including many PSU wrestlers, and not so often seen with Iowa. I suspect some of this is related to the quality of the recruit.

Watching Warner walk right into doubles has become painful.
PSU wrestlers improve, they don't just get stronger... say what you will they continue to get it done.

 

[Scruddy]

Cael and Co really do seem to be the most methodical staff around. You can see the little adjustments they make and build on (if they work). Rby vs ads was mentioned as one example. The two weren't relatively close with ads dominating rby early on. Ads improved tremendously at Iowa but couldn't score a td on rby by the end. Noticed starroci really utilizing that far side ankle scoop/broomstick finish. Haven't seen him go to that before so often and Lewis looked lost trying to stop or counter it. I'm sure PSU will continue polishing that accordingly. Great showing by PSU and Mizzou as teams. Best win of the night goes to gomez imo. Most impressive performance was otoole (was on the fence with him or brooks until brooks gave up that nice double at the end).

 

[sstark46]

Overall a really good event, and I hope they continue it in the years to come and we can continue to get matchups like we saw tonight.

As for Warner and Cass, I'm not opposed to them sitting out this next dual. They've done a lot of traveling and wrestling this past week and deserve a bit of a break

 

[IAChief32]

Overall a really good event, and I hope they continue it in the years to come and we can continue to get matchups like we saw tonight.

As for Warner and Cass, I'm not opposed to them sitting out this next dual. They've done a lot of traveling and wrestling this past week and deserve a bit of a break

Three weigh ins in 5 days is fairly tough this early in the season for a guy like Warner. Wouldn't mind seeing Glazier and Hill next time out.

 

[jrod65]

Best win of the night goes to gomez imo.

Now confirmed:

Austin Gomez is truly such wow, such handsome!

@Jason.D.Brantley

 

[Trapper85]

Some here mention getting "caught flat footed." Yeah, but why?

Cass, like Warner, looked slower. This happens all too often with Iowa wrestlers, imho.

Heavy hands, collar ties, pushing are common with Iowa. Athleticism, quickness, allowing them to get to the legs, is a skill set seen in top wrestlers, including many PSU wrestlers, and not so often seen with Iowa. I suspect some of this is related to the quality of the recruit.

Hate to agree, but hard to disagree.

 

[rossel 33]

Carl does coach them up though, they seem to improve every year.
See Desanto vs Rby and now Kirk vs Cass.

While it's true that the improvement happened with RBY and Kerk, it still may be a factor that natural athleticism and speed were there in HS, waiting to be developed and taken advantage of.

Keep in mind, coming out of HS, neither DeSanto or Cass were ranked #1 at their respective wt (DeS #2, Cass #3) and neither were top 10 (DeS #17, Cass #13).

RBY and Kerk were both were #1 in their weight class. Kerk was the #1 overall p4p, and RBY was #11.

 

[Psugo823]

I just can't get excited about early season exhibition matches.

Me neither. I'm much more into mid March, especially Friday and Saturday nights.

 

[Inthecircle]

Watching Warner walk right into doubles has become painful.
PSU wrestlers improve, they don't just get stronger... say what you will they continue to get it done.

It’s true. The most basic of all, their stance. Rarely are they out of position and they always have inside position on ties. They are creative with their length and finish fast. They are also stronger from year to year.
We have work to do. Yawn
Warner looked unsure of himself in the walk out, out of sorts. His head wasn’t in a good place before the whistle blew.

 

[Psugo823]

Sasso gassed and looked sucked In, like bad. They seriously need to consider bumping him up to 57.

 

[Psugo823]

I also saw where Mason Beckman compliments Lewan on Twitter which I found hilarious. Where were Villalonga and Dean Heil? Lol

 

[MVPFAN]

That's not an actual rule

It used to be before I thought. Needs to come back.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

That's not an actual rule

Here's the actual language from the 2022-2023 NCAA Wrestling Rulebook:

Art. 13. Stalling by Waist and Ankle Ride. If the offensive wrestler applies a hold with a hand or arm around the defensive wrestler’s torso while applying the other arm/hand below the buttocks, the referee shall immediately start a verbal five-second count. Whenever possible, the referee also should include a visual indication of the count. The referee shall stop the count when the offensive wrestler moves his arm/hand back up above the buttocks of the defensive wrestler, or releases the hold. If the referee reaches the fifth count before the offensive wrestler moves his arm/hand back up above the buttocks of the defensive wrestler, or releases the hold, then the offensive wrestler shall be called for stalling.

 

[MVPFAN]

While it's true that the improvement happened with RBY and Kerk, it still may be a factor that natural athleticism and speed were there in HS, waiting to be developed and taken advantage of.

Keep in mind, coming out of HS, neither DeSanto or Cass were ranked #1 at their respective wt (DeS #2, Cass #3) and neither were top 10 (DeS #17, Cass #13).

RBY and Kerk were both were #1 in their weight class. Kerk was the #1 overall p4p, and RBY was #11.

The fact is Kerk should have been handling Cass the whole time based on recruit rank of each and the athletic difference between two. Carl doesn't get the COY award for a guy finally doing what he should have been doing the whole time and if we recall from day one when Kerk stepped on a mat at PSU it was their consensus he was good to whip Cass and then they met and it didn't happen. Then it became "next time he's going to whip him" and it didn't happen a couple more times. So Kerk finally lived up to expectations, that happening is not some miracle being performed.

As for Cass, when he was big Cass he had something different to use vs the athletic heavies, a contrast in styles so to speak. After his body transformation he lost his "different", his "contrast" and is now trying to win athletic matches with better athletes in Kerk and Parris.

 

[MVPFAN]

It’s true. The most basic of all, their stance. Rarely are they out of position and they always have inside position on ties. They are creative with their length and finish fast. They are also stronger from year to year.
We have work to do. Yawn
Warner looked unsure of himself in the walk out, out of sorts. His head wasn’t in a good place before the whistle blew.

I just don't see consistent strength gains with the Iowa guys. A few like Kem and Murin have but most others I just don't see it.

 

[Inthecircle]

I just don't see consistent strength gains with the Iowa guys. A few like Kem and Murin have but most others I just don't see it.

I see it in Warner’s neck and arms. Cass has added some mass back which is good.
I wonder about flexibility and quickness as well.

 

[MVPFAN]

No reason for a Sandusky reference 11 years later without a single living soul at the University connected to it. Zero class.

There are 2 main reasons why these references continue. 1. PSU posters coming to this board aggravating people. 2. When people get aggravated they like to lash out and this subject clearly still gets reaction. If item 1 never happens then you would rarely see item 2.

 

[LIV4GOD]

That was disheartening.

Cass ain't beating Kerk again unless he goes upper body. Kerk is too fast and now too strong , and he fought off Cass' leg attacks.

I said I would wait until the All-Star meet to comment on Warner. I don't know what some of you are seeing, but he doesn't visually seem one ounce stronger physically to me, and I was amazed to see his legs sucked multiple times to be taken down.

 

[MVPFAN]

That was disheartening.

Cass ain't beating Kerk again unless he goes upper body. Kerk is too fast and now too strong , and he fought off Cass' leg attacks.

I said I would wait until the All-Star meet to comment on Warner. I don't know what some of you are seeing, but he doesn't visually seem one ounce stronger physically to me, and I was amazed to see his legs sucked multiple times to be taken down.

Cass is going to have to aggressively push pace and go upstairs. He is not going to win in a strategic match from space. Kerk has the length/size advantage and quickness advantage.

 

[Rick Sanchez]

Elam has looked really good this year. Askren said on Flo a couple weeks ago that he was expecting good things from him since he was fully healthy after being severely banged up last year. He’s definitely looked good but 197 is deep.