Grief rhymes with queef. Which is what this thread has turned into.
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The lack of respect for Telford is kind of ridiculous. The guy was a multiple AA with several wins over NCAA Finalists. I have no idea if he rolls around with the guys or not, but, CTFO......
He wrestles Ben every week, and is a huge reason why Ben has been getting so good on top. Ben's also improved a ton on bottom. Telford can still put on a tough ride. He's a big dude. At least 5' 9 in Spooner inches. I think Bobby deserves a lot of credit for Ben's folkstyle improvements.
No, the point is you jump people's shit for inaccurate or even hyperbolic posts then make one with both regarding a former wrestler... so you deserve some grief when you do the same. Tony's every bit of 6'. I've met him multiple times. I don't disagree that we can get better training partners/coaches for Ben and the other uppers. Would have been nice to get Tervel here before he went to Nebby.
Do as Spooner says, not as Spooner does. Duh!
WrestleStat | Bobby Telford (Iowa) Profile
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In Telford's last 2 season he took 5th and 4th at NCAA's and was a 3x AA. In those last 2 seasons he beat Anthony Nelson(2x Champ, 3x Finalist), Connor Medberr(2xAA, 1x Finalist), Adam Coon(3x AA, 2x Finalist), Mike McMullan(4x AA placing top every time with 1x Finalist), as well as a bunch of AA's.
The guy deserves WAAAAY more credit than he gets on here...
Agreed but it's a combination of his demeanor and lack of great results since he's been on staff. We haven't sniffed an upper weight title aside from Warners miraculous run a few years ago. The standards at Iowa need to be championships, period.WrestleStat | Bobby Telford (Iowa) Profile
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In Telford's last 2 season he took 5th and 4th at NCAA's and was a 3x AA. In those last 2 seasons he beat Anthony Nelson(2x Champ, 3x Finalist), Connor Medberr(2xAA, 1x Finalist), Adam Coon(3x AA, 2x Finalist), Mike McMullan(4x AA placing top every time with 1x Finalist), as well as a bunch of AA's.
The guy deserves WAAAAY more credit than he gets on here...
This is a #TTH if you ask me, but whatever makes you feel better.
There’s no reason a program of Iowa’s stature can’t pull an assistant coach from Nebraska. None.
Not sure about his “demeanor” but though there have been no titles, there’s been a lot of hardware. His work with Bradley Hill in particular was impressive, I thought.
Don't forget his Non AA year he blew out his knee while way ahead. I will forever believe the ref missed his pin in that match. He was injured shortly after after the no call and had to mff out of the tournament. Would've likely been a 4x AA at the big boy weight.WrestleStat | Bobby Telford (Iowa) Profile
www.wrestlestat.com
In Telford's last 2 season he took 5th and 4th at NCAA's and was a 3x AA. In those last 2 seasons he beat Anthony Nelson(2x Champ, 3x Finalist), Connor Medberr(2xAA, 1x Finalist), Adam Coon(3x AA, 2x Finalist), Mike McMullan(4x AA placing top every time with 1x Finalist), as well as a bunch of AA's.
The guy deserves WAAAAY more credit than he gets on here...
and if he didnt blow out his knee perhaps hed have an even more impressive career
Apparently, eligibility is a tough thing to figure out. Ask Little Rock...
We haven’t sniffed titles at a lot of weights unfortunately
You're crazy if you don't think Telford hasn't been a big part in Ben's development.
Telford is a tough son of a gun and can scrap.
Who was that against? Didn't a Lehigh guy basically push his thumb into his eye socket?
I personally don't have a big issue with it but he just seems a bit reserved and laid back. How many upper weight guys are deciding where to attend college and are swayed to Iowa by the opportunity to be coached by Telford? Just being honest.
I think every fan’s issue with Telford when he wrestled was that he held off on pulling the trigger. He had one of the best double legs of any heavyweight but rarely used it. Sound familiar with our heavyweights?
So, you are suggesting he is doing some kind of "mind meld" to slow down our 285's? How very clever and insightful of you.
Well done. I think?
I have little to no insight into Telford as a coach. What I do know is Iowa doesn’t seem to have any issue attracting talent and bringing home medals from the NCAAs at the upper weights.
At Iowa we should expect better than "medals" but agreed, talent has been generally solid. I'm not really calling for BTs job, just offering insight as to why he's getting scrutiny. The lack of champions at Upper weights is a major issue. Hopefully Ben sticks with wrestling full time and can break the streak in the coming years. Feel pretty good Angelo will.
I'm sure multiple knee surgeries had nothing to do with him going from aggressive to more tentative. Cass had no problems pulling the trigger. Bradley Hill's problem wasn't lack of offense. Ben's a freshman learning the ropes against bigger guys. I would bet he's much more offensive in the future. But maybe you're right and Bobby coaches his guys to not shoot.
The lack of any champions is a major issue. Hopefully that changes this week and the next several years with the way things are looking.
I mean, on some level we expect more but it isn’t like we are sad about mid to high podium finishes. It’s not like we really expect to have 10 champs.
Look, I swear I’m not trying to be argumentative. Just pointing out that our upper weights are hardly suffering in terms of recruiting or NCAA success at a program where our calling card is lighter weight success.
With those words, let’s go lock in Mocco as our next heavyweight after Big Ben.
If we're not getting champs and high placers it's certainly hurting the program.
I'm sure someone has done a deep dive on point scoring by weight class over the past 10 years.
Wonder where 84/97/hwt ranks as a group? 84 clearly has been weak but the others are probably middle of the pack for us?
197 and 285 have been mid to high AA caliber for years now. 184 has definitely been the weaker weight of the 3 by far.
I decided to look into it...
Hwt avg finish last 10 years - 8th (assigning a non AA or NQ a place of 12th)
197 avg finish last 10 years - 8th
184 - 10th (though thats generous, Brooks only AA in 10 years).
We've not been nearly good enough at the upper weights, hopefully the current crop starts to change this.
Telford joined in August 2018. If we are evaluating upper weights to look at him as a coach, we should be looking at the past six seasons plus this year.
Last year didn't help 197 and 285. Cass and Warner definitely averaged higher than 8th in the 4 years before that. I will say Hill and Glazier made huge strides last year, but their realistic ceiling was just not where it needed to be for a trophy challenging team.
Why go back 10 years when Telford has only been coaching since 2018-2019?
Since then, average finish:
197: 6th
HWT: 8th. Which includes both a beat up Stoll not placing, and Hill having to go for Cass due to the gambling suspension. Which again, putting Hill into the NCAAs last year is an example of great coaching and effort.
Spectacular? No. Worth a lot of angst, given the finishes and the level of recruits we continue to pull in? Also thinking no.
I'm really not all that fixated on Bobby... upper weights haven't been good enough regardless. Whether he's the right guy to help that group take the next step remains to be seen. But it's certainly a fair question.
Plus look at Glazier and Hill this year. There are certainly better options Iowa could have for an upper weight coach, but to act like Telford is a detriment is absurd.
WOW, the cesspool is ready for nationals!
Did anyone else see the CR Gazette article the other day about how Iowa football is managing cutting their roster down to the new 105 roster limit? The roster is currently down to 108, but does not include Ben Kueter. interesting quote in that article from Ferentz:
Ferentz suggested last week at his news conference that Kueter should “take time to think this whole thing out.”
Ferentz suggested last week at his news conference that Kueter should “take time to think this whole thing out.”
No chance he can do both sports at a high level.
Sorry, but I've said it since day 1.
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