I was thinking the same. Washington made that game a lot more interesting than it should've been. Yeah there was the interference call on the punt, and then a long pass completion, but Texas shouldn't have had more than 15 seconds or so to drive from deep in their own territory to begin with. Those were some weird play calls under the circumstances.
Beth needs to call Ryan Grubb; just do it
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So your contention is KF inherited a Ferrari?
Look, I’m old enough to know and appreciate what HF did. I’m also aware of how he left the program. HF and KF both building from trash are both true statements. HF was allowed to leave how he saw fit, as he should have.
HF left the cupboard bare and held on too long. Guys that played for both share my opinion.
He did. And Kirk is doing it as well. Look at the offensive talent on this team. There's not 1 current player in the 2 deeps that has a shot of playin in the NFL currently. Does not get any more bare.
The talent was certainly thin but the program was on solid footing. (8,9 & 7 wins and bowls before the 3-8 year). IOWA football was a punchline when Hayden took over. He left after a down year with weak recruiting...but he built a foundation that KFz was able to rebuild on and he did a hell of a job.
Head coach hiring advice coming from a Nebraska fan is pretty darn rich...
Wow. You drew all those conclusions about me? Hard to be wrong 4 times. Congratulations.
Um, you might want to read what I posted a little slower...
Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth......it did not work. As I said Hayden had some down years at the end. Maybe KF should learn from that at the very least when he hires his new OC. Brave new world and a solid offense to go along with our Special Teams and Defense seems like a good idea. Except maybe to the HC.
The problem is that I think any Hawkeye fan being honest with themselves would say that the past 2 games tell a lot more about the state of the Iowa football program right now than any of the 10 wins....
Well, then it sounds like he'd fit in pretty well at Iowa. No fan base is used to terrible clock management more than us. 😂
I wouldn’t mind seeing him come in as OC for a year or two … until KF steps away … and then considered for the head job….
It’s not impossible to win at Iowa. It’s not impossible for Iowa to be regular top 25 team. We have the fans, facilities, money …
Washington hasn’t been relevant for quite some time. Hell, TCU made it to the playoffs. Washington is in the title game and I don’t know the head coach’s name.
With NIL, portal … tv money … Iowa CAN find success in this new world of college athletics. However, you have to have a coach who is open and willing to change. What worked 10-15 years ago may not work as well today.
I’m okay with KF as head coach IF - IF - he is willing to put away his references to the good ol’ days and how we did things in the 90s, early 00s … I don’t know if Kirk is capable of going outside the box with an innovative OC and then getting the hell out of the way.
We need to start fresh … a proven OC who is allowed to run his show … bring in his recruits … bring in his WR coach and OL coach …
If KF takes the safe route with a Paul Chryst and keeps all other coaches … well… I don’t expect anything to be different until a complete new staff is brought in.
I missed the part where he's earned the right to retire on his own terms. That's because no one except judges have that right, or owners of private companies.
You're right. The program shouldn't take any chances to get to the next level. KF should be allowed to be HC until he is 85, just to be safe. Let's see if the offense can actually gain negative yardage in a game, and maybe even score negative points. If these last 2 games have told us anything about the Iowa football program, especially the offense, is that they are in excellent shape to compete in this changing world of college football. Our HC knows exactly what he's doing...just ask him.
You’re not saying anything I haven’t already said once upon a time. But to suggest KF started anywhere but the dugout in his quest to score a run is a slap in the face to him and discredits what he built and the talent he developed along the way.
I was mistaken. If you played in the CFP you get an extra 5 days after your game. Does not go for all teams that play in a bowl on Jan 1st.
I’m in favor of KF retiring based off of his decision to make Hill his starting qb over Labas and Lainez, saying the offense is complicated, and that he wants an OC that doesn’t deviate from what he wants in an OC. This just proves he doesn’t think there is a problem with the offense or that he is willing to change. 25 years is enough.
Thanks again Barta for creating yet another problem for Iowa Athletics with this albatross of a contract to KF. I’d like to see BG negotiate a retirement plan with KF and go get Ryan Grubb. Tired of playing not to lose and wasting three unbelievable defensive years.
Thanks again Barta for creating yet another problem for Iowa Athletics with this albatross of a contract to KF. I’d like to see BG negotiate a retirement plan with KF and go get Ryan Grubb. Tired of playing not to lose and wasting three unbelievable defensive years.
He didn't inherit a Ferrari (what incoming coach does?) but what he walked into was a hell of a lot better than what Hayden took on...and than what he would have at most other schools. Look at the attendance for 1998.
The recruiting was down and Fry had lost a step. No doubt. But he left behind a hell of a lot better foundation and legacy that what he inherited. Hayden built up the Iowa brand in a way few had during his era. It was time for him to step down, but he sure as hell didn't leave "trash". All it needed was a refresh of talent.
We don't know what Grubb's called for. Before the FG was Penix supposed to throw it away or go down in bounds? We don't know.
And the last drive who can predict an injury like that to the RB? I had no problem running, could've got a first down and that's game.
And I'm sure he had zero to do with the snapper making the kick catch interference, let alone the poor defense the last four minutes.
I'm not arguing KF stepped into a worse situation, FFS. I'm saying KF walked into a very shitty situation, and he turned the program around. It needed a complete facelift in terms of talent, attitude and approach. Is it really hard for people to understand that it could both be true that Fry turned the program around, left it a shit hole, then KF turned it around again? Again, I'm friends with a couple dudes who played for both Fry and KF and they share that opinion.
I haven't looked but it would be interesting to see season, NFL draft, and individual accolades under both coaches.
I hear ya. I guess it's just a matter of degrees. If you look at the roster in 1998 it's easy to be harsh...things were depleted and the energy was gone. If you look at the program in general and the Iowa football brand...it's a little different picture. What Hayden left from his 20 years was far better than what he inherited. KFz put his own stamp on it and brought us back. As it's been said many times...having 2 coaches like that over a 45 year period is pretty amazing.
i think the whole 'cupboard was bare' statement might be one of the most perpetuated falsehoods about that 1998 team.
guys on that 98 team:
sobieski
nelson
kasper
devries
baker
kampman
betts
wheatley
pagel
dj johnson
allen
bowen
yamini
flemister
hughes
porter
rollins
woods
hill
def not bare, some might say it was a pretty good foundation for kf to build on.
I might be incorrect, but towards the end of Hayden's reign, a few asst coaches left and that certainly played into the shelves being somewhat bare when KF took over.
So far, that hasn't been the issue in IC with Ferentz.
The issue now is 1/3 of the three phases of football is severely lacking.
KF's age is likely being used against Iowa in recruiting.
So far, that hasn't been the issue in IC with Ferentz.
The issue now is 1/3 of the three phases of football is severely lacking.
KF's age is likely being used against Iowa in recruiting.
Grubb has zero HC experience. The college FB world is littered with guys who were great coordinators that failed as head coaches. Not definitively saying that is the case with Grubb, but is a big concern.
ETA: Also, if I was to rank priorities, I would ask Beth to concentrate on getting Fran Mac to move on.
ETA: Also, if I was to rank priorities, I would ask Beth to concentrate on getting Fran Mac to move on.
In today's game I don't' know that what Fry did could be duplicated. Maybe with the portal it could I suppose...but doing it the "right way" like he did would be EXTREMELY difficult to do!
On my way home from three days in Nola and the Sugar Bowl (both daughters are UW grads).
DeBoer is going to be aggressive, like UW’s last fg drive. Penix was throwing where most coaches would have kept it exclusively on the ground. Last possession after the onsides kick…he was going to feed Dillon Johnson to get the first down on the ground, like the end of the PAC 12 title game. Freak thing where Johnson got hurt and gave Texas a 40 second gift.
DeBoer, Grubb, and staff have been a blessing to UW. Awesome staff.
I'd take my chances. The importance of moving the program forward at this point is worth a swing and miss. Like I said in the OP, this just feels like an opportunity that Iowa won't get again.
Not totally disagreeing - I've been done with Fran for a few years now. I would only argue that the state of the football program is much more important to the athletic department and university than the state of the men's basketball program, and again, the chance to get Grubb may only be there for a few more weeks.
Washington certainly loses a lot but the cupboard won’t be entirely bare. They are bringing in the second leading passer in SEC history through the portal.
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