Because he just isn't athletic enough to play against B1G level athletic 4's, or physical enough to hold up against a true 5. Rebraca may not have been quite the offensive player he is, but he was light years better on the glass, and a decent defender. We really needed THAT guy or better, but of course Fran goes for an offense only tweener. Nothing against Krikke, he's a gamer, but Fran just can NOT manage the roster properly...
Better off without Krikke and Pmac
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No way does a 1 guard/zero pg lineup maximize scoring.
It's maximizes time for guys Fran likes.
People used to argue about how Patrick deserved to play over Kris Murray.
This season has completely exposed that nonsense.
It seems that now everyone finally sees this family first deal for what it is and what it's always been.
I still can’t get over Connor McCaffrey at the 4 ahead of Keegan Murray. That one is still bizarre to me.
The whole team should be coming off of the bench except Freeman and Perkins, that is the problem. Some of these guys are starting/playing by default. I at least still have hope for Harding and Dembele.
Iowa needs Perkins to play like he did last night. Besides Perkins and Freeman, you could make a valid argument for every other player sitting/playing.
I just noticed the foul stat today too - in 106 games, Patrick has 73 fouls. As primarily a PF. That's insane. And it's not because he's good, it's because he doesn't try.
Fran had coached him and others to let it go if you get beat and get the bucket back on the offensive end but this year they are not getting the bucket back on a consistent basis
they aren't even trying not to get beat. some stuff I see wouldn't be tolerated in junior high. it's so bizarre to me.
That's not how it works.
By that logic most of the best defenders of all time wouldn't see the court because they scored less than the guy they were guarding.
How many times do you think Bill Russell outscored Wilt?
Different players have different roles.
It doesn't matter how many points an individual scores, it matters how many points the team scored and how many they give up.
Perk will never be consistent enough to count on every game. He's a good 3rd or 4th option you ride when he's hot. He can't be your 1 or 2 if you have a good team IMO.
I agree totally with you but as you stated different players have different roles. Krikke isn’t playing for his defense…..we all know that but you also said Dembele all day long…….0 points. Good discussion.
He has the skills to be a very good player. His shot is beautiful if he isn’t rushing it and he’s a very good passer with good court vision. Not a bad rebounder. But his decision making this year has been atrocious. Bad shots, worse turnovers, and he disappears far too much. That’s an effort issue.
A very good role player. You need a guy like him on a team, but he shouldn't be your first option.
It wasn't just Kris. 3 years ago they were arguing that Cmac and Pmac should both be getting minutes over Keegan and that Pmac was a legit pro prospect.
Yeah, there was still a few people saying Pat was a pro prospect last year if you can believe it.
Expectations have always been out of whack with him. He was somehow a 4* prospect which is amazing for someone who really doesn't do anything well besides cherry picking.
if people were saying he was a pro prospect last year that makes me fear for civilization.
I don't remember anyone arguing for PMac getting minutes over Keegan. (It was for CMac starting and Keegan remaining 6th man.)
Regardless of the merits of any arguments regarding relative PT, PMac was a highly ranked recruit out of high school and was considered a legit pro prospect by many people outside of the program. It's possible for the "they" to be wrong about PT allocation and right about PMac's pro potential. But as Yogi Berra would say, "the future ain't what it used to be." PMac and the Murray brothers have gone in opposite directions.
I don’t follow other BT programs…but would any of our starters sniff the floor at an upper tier BT program? (Asking anyone) It seems like Fran obviously hit it out of park with the twins and Luka, but beyond that his recruiting has been very suspect IMHO. As someone other poster said - most solid programs do have a single sharp shooter who may be defensive liability, but at Iowa that type of player normally makes ups 1/3 (or more) of our roster…🥲
Some posters used to say Woodbury would be a 1-and-done before he came into Iowa and there was talk about him leaving early for NBA for 1 or 2 seasons before it became clear he couldn't jump or make a layup consistently.
Some posters used to say that CMAC was a Major League 1st base prospect...he hit around 0.200 at Iowa.
Fran rolled out CMAC as starter over Keegan every game CMAC was healthy during Keegan's Freshman year. Fran kept Kris Murray on the bench 100% of the time during Kris's freshman year---if he hadn't, it would have been hard to protect CMAC and PMAC minutes. Even Kris sophomore year, PMAC started and Kris was off the bench. Fran would have Kris Murray guard Zach Edey in the post....he would never asked PMAC to do anything physical/challenging that PMAC might find unpleasant.
There are different takes on the CMAC/PMAC situation and on how JoeT was basically runnoff the team and had been given short leash.
Krikke is a terrible defender. Pmac is worse. Yet Fran keeps trotting them out in starting lineup.
I'd just like to see Sandy guard a 4 instead of chasing a 2 or 3.
I'm simply reading body language but it looks like Pat is not enjoying this. I feel awful for him and hope he gets everything going.
In the meantime, my lineup would be:
Bowen
Dix*
Perkins
Sandfort
Freeman
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Harding
P Mac
Krikke (for Freeman)
Dembele
Brauns (when needed)
* Dix hasn't been playing well at all but is totally stuck in limbo of what he is supposed to do. Fran rotates in three subs who all handle the ball (Dix, Bowen, Harding) and I think Dix should just move to the 2.
I'm simply reading body language but it looks like Pat is not enjoying this. I feel awful for him and hope he gets everything going.
In the meantime, my lineup would be:
Bowen
Dix*
Perkins
Sandfort
Freeman
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Harding
P Mac
Krikke (for Freeman)
Dembele
Brauns (when needed)
* Dix hasn't been playing well at all but is totally stuck in limbo of what he is supposed to do. Fran rotates in three subs who all handle the ball (Dix, Bowen, Harding) and I think Dix should just move to the 2.
I disagree he hasn't played well. Maybe hasn't shot well but he's hardly shooting.
He's a massive improvement from Patrick on both ends. Especially defense.
Krikke is actually worse on D than Patrick.
If you watch him specifically he's more lost on D than anyone else.
Dix might be the most well rounded player on the team. Someone needs to get in his ear and tell him to be more agressive and look for his shot.
You described the real problem. There's really only two guys that are starter material. But I will say that Sandfort is working hard when he plays. He tries to be a leader and always gives 100%. It's going to be a rough year.
I agree, there's no doubt Dix should be more aggressive. His offensive efficiency is one of the best on the team, but his usage rate is also one of the lowest.
Which kind of goes back to the point of the OP, PMac is undeservedly getting the third most minutes on the team which puts a large dent in the amount of minutes and opportunities a young guy like Dix undoubtedly needs.
Krikke off the bench is a mistake. Bad defense or not he's the most reliable scorer. I do like Bowen and Dix starting. I totally agree with your point about Dix.
Bowen (Harding)
Dix
Perkins (Sandfort)
Krikke (Dembele)
Freeman (Brauns)
This feels most natural to me with what I've seen this season. Sandfort can play multiple spots (2, 3, or 4; so coming off the bench he still gets 25 minutes a game). Perkins and Freeman should be eating up 32+ minutes a game. Pryce isn't ready for rotation this season. I think Pat is still effective in spots (mainly in press defense) and that earns him maybe 10 minutes a game.
I could absolutely live with that lineup. It might take pressure off Payton too. The only thing is with your lineup is that I don't know who guards the 3 when the subs come in. Overall, I don't have a problem with your lineup.
Krikke isn't just a bad defender, he's a terrible defender at the 5. One of the worst I've seen in a while. Can't rim protect, not a good rebounder. Complete liability on that half of the court.
However, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should start because of the offense he brings. I don't agree with it, but then I'd have a very different lineup and very different approach than what Fran is taking. So as long as the rest of the team is defense optional it's at least consistent that the guy at the 5 spot plays no defense either.
However, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should start because of the offense he brings. I don't agree with it, but then I'd have a very different lineup and very different approach than what Fran is taking. So as long as the rest of the team is defense optional it's at least consistent that the guy at the 5 spot plays no defense either.
Yeah I really don't know either. This is where Pat needs to step up and become a B1G-level caliber defender.
Serious question. Let's say you bench Krikke and reduce his minutes.
Who are your primary scorers? I know Payton is one. Who is the other? At this point I would say Freeman. Perk is too inconsistent.
Who are your primary scorers? I know Payton is one. Who is the other? At this point I would say Freeman. Perk is too inconsistent.
Something's not right with him. He was the most well rounded player until he entered the starting lineup vs ISU, stumbled badly, and now he just looks like a different player. He's still probably the best perimeter defender on the team, but he looks very hesitant and lacking in confidence. He was never aggressive on the offensive end, but he's pretty much disappeared at this point. It's really a shame because he has shown that he can do a whole lot more than he's been of late.
Patrick is just over 900 points in his 5 years at Iowa, my guess is that Fran is wanting him to at least reach 1000 points for his career before he hangs up his sneakers. I know no other reason for him to see as much time on the court then that.
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