Interesting post. So your view of people that don't agree with all the changes are all a bunch of alcoholic, racist, wife beating low lifes? Everyone fit in a nice neat box do they?
Black anthem to be played before National anthem in week one of NFL.
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One week? Holy appeasement Batman. You dont think after one time some are going to bitch wonder why they arent dong it for every game to just be assholes? Or its going to sound so stupid people are going to be embarrassed about it.
As a NA friend told me when I asked him about native american imagery---- The only reason they are causing problems is because they
can.
Why are less people watching? 18.1 million average viewership in 2015, with last years viewership it is now back up 10 16.5 million average viewership. A couple more rebound seasons and they can get back to 2015 levels.
The NFL games leading the ratings while having declining viewership is more of a statement about broadcast TV as a whole. Everyone is watching streaming services now. Also, a large percentage of young white men do not follow football at all because they have never played the game at any point in their life. Us "old guys" have an interest because most of us played the game at some point.
Athletes are better than ever, bigger, faster, stronger. Great coaches, game more wide open than ever. Explain what you don’t like about it? And don’t bring up political bs because the Kaep thing has been done and gone and Goodell did his best to try to appease the owners by pandering to the military, which you guys should love.
The NFL can do whatever it wants. If you want to debate that it is just pandering, meaningless symbolism instead of substance, or a Black National Anthem creates or reinforces a divide or adds to a feeling of segregation or separate but equal etc. knock yourself out. If you think it recognizes a group of people and shows solidarity for all Americans as we strive to achieve true equal rights (I said equal rights and not just equality because equality is a misnomer. (Some think equality of outcome is equality. Equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are two different things), such as, equal justice, equal treatment under the law etc. great. Each has their opinion on it. It is fact that the kneeling controversy did hurt the NFL ratings. The ratings have recovered somewhat since. The Black National Anthem is going to be played for the first game. So what? Let the NFL do what they are going to do. No need to really have an opinion. It won't change the decision either way... Just choose to do what you are going to do.
I do take offense at people saying "pandering to the military." You can't pander to the military unless those recognizing them are totally insincere in their actions (which I think is shameful if you don't respect them). I have a child in the Army. They are a First Lieutenant. They have been deployed in Syria for almost a year. Within their first week there, while on patrol, escorting a supply convoy, they were shot at by a .50 cal machine gun, some small arms fire, and were engaged in a fire fight with a small band of Daesh/Isis etc. ISIS still exists, but is without central and organized leadership, and is made up of loose local bands in a few areas. Remember, our military consists of volunteers. They also know what could possibly lie ahead, and yet, they still feel a strong sense of loyalty to their country and an obligation to contribute. My kid was entering their senior year of college when they decided they wanted to join the Army. Graduation was on a Saturday, and on monday, they left for basic training. What they go through, and the rigors they endure, as well as the academic workload they have to endure to learn and study to become the experts in their job/position or role is mind boggling. My kid told me what they went through to become an artillery officer was significantly more rigorous and difficult than 4 years of college. During the deployment, there was a stretch where my kid was putting in 17 hour days for 7 straight months, while living in a tent in the desert. My child's job is to coordinate/provide cover and protection for patrols and supply convoys. It requires them to make split second decisions with people's lives on the line, all the while trying to only kill the ISIS fighters and nobody else. They call in cannon or rocket fire, as well as coordinating air support if the patrol or convoy is under attack. Imagine the feeling if your vehicle becomes disabled due to an IED, and you are stranded, taking fire? Once they had to drive across the Syrian desert into Iraq as a small convoy of trucks. The highway is straight as an arrow, and flat for hundreds of miles. They were totally out in the open. They had a breakdown of sorts and needed to stop to make repairs. To make some of the repairs, they needed access under my kid's seat. So, they remove the seat, and my kid is standing outside the vehicle totally out in the open (while everyone else remains inside) as they fix whatever it is that needed fixing. My child said that was the one time they were most afraid of being shot.
With that said, I have a strong opinion on our military. I don't see any of it as pandering, unless the person/organization does not actually believe in what they are doing when they recognize the military. However, even if the NFL might be insincere, I still see the actions and recognition of our military personnel as something of tremendous value even if others don't.
I do take offense at people saying "pandering to the military." You can't pander to the military unless those recognizing them are totally insincere in their actions (which I think is shameful if you don't respect them). I have a child in the Army. They are a First Lieutenant. They have been deployed in Syria for almost a year. Within their first week there, while on patrol, escorting a supply convoy, they were shot at by a .50 cal machine gun, some small arms fire, and were engaged in a fire fight with a small band of Daesh/Isis etc. ISIS still exists, but is without central and organized leadership, and is made up of loose local bands in a few areas. Remember, our military consists of volunteers. They also know what could possibly lie ahead, and yet, they still feel a strong sense of loyalty to their country and an obligation to contribute. My kid was entering their senior year of college when they decided they wanted to join the Army. Graduation was on a Saturday, and on monday, they left for basic training. What they go through, and the rigors they endure, as well as the academic workload they have to endure to learn and study to become the experts in their job/position or role is mind boggling. My kid told me what they went through to become an artillery officer was significantly more rigorous and difficult than 4 years of college. During the deployment, there was a stretch where my kid was putting in 17 hour days for 7 straight months, while living in a tent in the desert. My child's job is to coordinate/provide cover and protection for patrols and supply convoys. It requires them to make split second decisions with people's lives on the line, all the while trying to only kill the ISIS fighters and nobody else. They call in cannon or rocket fire, as well as coordinating air support if the patrol or convoy is under attack. Imagine the feeling if your vehicle becomes disabled due to an IED, and you are stranded, taking fire? Once they had to drive across the Syrian desert into Iraq as a small convoy of trucks. The highway is straight as an arrow, and flat for hundreds of miles. They were totally out in the open. They had a breakdown of sorts and needed to stop to make repairs. To make some of the repairs, they needed access under my kid's seat. So, they remove the seat, and my kid is standing outside the vehicle totally out in the open (while everyone else remains inside) as they fix whatever it is that needed fixing. My child said that was the one time they were most afraid of being shot.
With that said, I have a strong opinion on our military. I don't see any of it as pandering, unless the person/organization does not actually believe in what they are doing when they recognize the military. However, even if the NFL might be insincere, I still see the actions and recognition of our military personnel as something of tremendous value even if others don't.
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Sports is supposed to be entertainment and a space free of politics. Players can use their platform all they want off the field of play for whatever agenda they want to push and I have no issues with that. You bring that to the field and I’m out and I do not care if I’m the only one. I will spend my fan interest and dollars elsewhere.
The NFL is the best of the best as you say but it’s boring football. It’s a copy cat league with little variance in play style. The playoffs are about all I’ll tune into to watch now since Kap and politics took over. I have found I don’t need it or miss it at all.
I’ve been pursuing other less glamorous sports where I can be entertained by the pure enjoyment of men of any race or background working together for team goals and free of politics on the field. I’m enjoying rugby, soccer, cross fit competition among other fringe sports now and it’s so refreshing.
I still love the Hawks and college football but if it heads into politics like the NFL I’m likely going to reconsider. I can find something else to take interest in or a non political and non commercial Hawkeye sport to support.
Now, I am willing to listen to legitimate dialog, not axe grinding players, on how to improve as a program but I’m not for cancel culture at all and if players go against discipline, structure and core Iowa values they had better win to prove their improvements were valid.
I assume he feels the same about a black person talking about a random white persons privileges?
Yeah, that jerk Nile Kinnick should have shut his mouth during his Heisman speech!
"Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. I can speak confidently and positively that the players of this country would much more, much rather, struggle and fight to win the Heisman award than the Croix de Guerre
Thank you."
Not really a political statement. He just stated the obvious. If given a choice, young men his age would much rather be playing football instead of fighting an invasion from the NAZIs.
Thank you."
Not really a political statement. He just stated the obvious. If given a choice, young men his age would much rather be playing football instead of fighting an invasion from the NAZIs.
Notice it's OK for the NFL and NBA and LaBron James don't say a word about Chinese kids making Nike shoes . Just sayin
Does lebron even remember how the 99.9% of us live? Gotta be a bit difficult to remember waking up in his 40mm house.
Or you know Lebron had grown up poore & has given way more than you such as building a school for the non privilege kids & families & scholarships to go to any college.
But feel free to continue your ignorant
You will notice the reason why black athletes & black people don't care about what is going on in china is because china is blatantly racist vs. Black & people in Africa have it worst
You ever heard the phrase people change?
Heaven forbid someone even consider that.
Take a hike fleck.....
His house is worth more than us 99.9% make in a lifetime, of course he's donated more than I have.....
If they started to play this when I was at a game, I would turn my back and go get a beer.
Thank you for you child's service, and your sacrifice as well. I cannot fathom what that would be like--the stress you must feel every day.
Godspeed to your child, and those they are serving with!!
He didn't have too & he did. He build a school & helps disadvantaged young kids.
People change? Funny. Lebron has never forgotten where he came from
Lebron is like every other rich dude in the world. It is all about his wallet. Maybe he doesn't give a sh!t about Chinese people because he isn't one?
You do realize I hope that the super rich pretty much have to give generously or they'll lose way more come tax time then if they don't. Sorry, just don't put a lot of weight on athletes or movie folks and what they give when they make more in 3 months then most of us will in our entire career.
So LeBron's only doing this for the tax advantage? If he didn't give anything back to his community, you'd call him out for being selfish, and when he does give back and actually start his own school, he's still an asshole because he's rich and only doing it for the tax advantage?
I will flat out say that Lebron doesn't care about the people in China because they are Chinese. They are just there for him to make money on.
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didn't realize you guys were good friends and you know him so well on a personal basis. You don't know anymore about the dude than anyone else here so shut up and quit acting like you do.
I bet the waltons donate a hell of a lot more than LeBron does. I guess they just care a lot more for us huh? Lmfao
You don’t have to be good friends to go look up LeBron chastising Morey over his pro Hong Kong tweet saying how much money he cost the league and players. Never mind Morey is fighting for social justice against an oppressive regime and LeBron is supporting the opposite movement of what he’s pushing here in the US? Can someone explain this to me?
I'm not leaning either way. I'm not chastizing him as I certainly don't know the man at all. i'm merely stating a FACT, that people with kind of coin he has have very little choice but to give to needy charities or be eaten up by Uncle Sam. Many of them do it as much out of need and not because their so generous. Thats one reason a lot of their gifts end up being so public, so they can be praised for their generosity, whether it was really their idea or those they consult with.
That’s great for LeBron to give back. If a white person grew up poor, made it to the big time, and did the same thing does he get the same credit , or is he still a racist using his white privilege?
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