Brawl in Madison
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Five game suspension and what works out to a day and a half of his annual salary for striking a coach from another team. What exactly does he have to do to get fired?
Dude, you were wrong and the Big Ten office proved you were wrong by fining Gard. WTF is wrong with you?
Could the NCAA apply a separate penalty, suspending from NCAA tournament participation? That seems fair, given how egregious was his conduct.
It seems termination is too harsh for the damage Juwan did. It seems to me there should be a lot more damage done to justify ruining his career.
Howard would be smart to put that assistant coach's med provider a credit card for any bills. Reduce the motivation for litigation through the very most genuine act of contrition-payment of treasure.
Probably the best thing jbo’s ever put on twitter. Also, probably the best thing from twitter you’ve posted on here 😆
Interesting. It says that "Neither coach Gard nor his staff had any intent to provoke or incite any of what took place". Maybe that's where the accountability came to light?
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You are incapable of admitting you are wrong. He got fined, doesn’t matter the amount, the league said he played a part in it. If Gard had zero responsibility, like you stated, then Gard wouldn’t have gotten anything.
I nailed it, I told you all Gard had some responsibility in this. Hell I even called he’d get fined and not suspended!
Its really ok to admit you are wrong, it’s not painful at all and you gain respect.
Good point, I wonder, does that include the practice days, meetings, etc. leading up to each suspended game or just the game? Shouldn't he have to turn in his keys to the building, no contact order in place for the time spanning the 5 game...to give the suspension some teeth? The man should not be allowed to coach while suspended!
Reading what the Wisconsin AD has been putting out regarding this situation is just garbage. He's exonerated Gard of any responsibility and now says the university will pay the fine. That's not completely out of line, but it is the language of his releases that really bother me. No wonder Davidson and Gard operate the way they do.
One form of punishment would have been to let him keep coaching… but that’s only punishing the school and fans, not him. I mean, he’s just a terrible coach. How do you have all that talent and still play that poorly? They even let Minnesota run them off their own court. Frankly, I think they will be a better team and harder to beat without him
I can’t wait to see the treatment he gets on the road. Crowds will be very motivated to mock him in every way imaginable. I wish the suspension was only four games. Make that idiot go on the road to OSU.
I’ll be watching them in the tournament, but only to see how badly the crowds crucify him.
I can’t wait to see the treatment he gets on the road. Crowds will be very motivated to mock him in every way imaginable. I wish the suspension was only four games. Make that idiot go on the road to OSU.
I’ll be watching them in the tournament, but only to see how badly the crowds crucify him.
I don't like wiscy, but this is totally on michigan...
BirdistheWord
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Gard's actions with no punch from Howard seem assertive but not what I would call overly aggressive. You would not bat an eye in isolation. Any punishment seems like a rationalizion to counter the horrible over reaction from Howard.
What do you expect from an outstanding wrestler and a guy that cleared the way for Ron Dayne's Heisman?
BirdistheWord
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The fine was probably for having no culpability. People who have done nothing wrong get fined all the time…… said no one ever.
If it had been reversed it would have been raciest and Turgeon would have been fired after 1 million protesters protested....
This was an attempt by Wisconsin to exonerate Gard from having any part in the altercation. As if they should protect him from an injustice passed down from the B1G office. The B1G office has the final say not Wisconsin, this is another display of Wisconsin arrogance. As if, they are more powerful, and more just than the B1G.
Gard had a part in the altercation, Gard was wrong, Gard was punished and fined, it should have endded there.
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions". And I am not convinced Gard had good intentions at all. He thought he was going to school Howard on how to behave or coach in the B1G, tell him the way it is, like Howard doesn't already know how to coach. Its a common theme in Wisconsin basketball, they never do anything wrong, arrogance galore.
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He must of been wearing slutty cloths or something and was asking for it..
I agree. To me, that word "intent" in the University's statement was huge because it implies that Gard and his staff did indeed have a negative role in the fracas.
Gard’s action is not questioned for 1 second had Howard not thrown a punch.
Gard's action and Howard's response are the same event...one does not happen without the other. Both deserve to be punished. Gard should have passed on by when he clearly saw that Howard had no interest in talking with him. Gard's presumption of Howard's respect an interest in what he had to say was clearly his error. Why he stood in Howard's path and engage in a verbal battle is beyond me.
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While I don't totally disagree, if you're going to follow the chain of events don't you also have to include Howard's "I'll remember that TO" comment. None of it would have happened without that.
I am curious though, knowing Howard's temper do you think nothing would have happened if Gard just kept walking and responded "Thanks, f#!# off!"?
He didn't "grab" his elbow. He tried to stop him to continue talking.
Would absolutely love if Wisconsin paid the fine for him and the Big Ten still showed a balance due with interest. A big thanks for the donation but this was a fine for your coach. He needs to pay it.
Any employee outside athletics gets fired at any Big Ten university if they behaved like those two coaches. Tenured professors would have been fired for behaving that way. This type of thing is a demonstration that athletics has become too important.
By holding his elbow and stepping in front of Howard to talk to him then.
Again, Gard should have just walked on. He knew Howard was angry. Could have called him later instead of escalating the disagreement.
I would agree. Howard, and the reaction to him, by Gard is all related to what goes on in the games. So far, Gard and Turgeon have had the nerve/audacity to actually call Howard out on his nonsense coaching of the opponent's team during games. In 2021, the Iowa bench nearly got into it with Michigan's bench during a timeout in the game at Ann Arbor. If you watch games, Howard is talking to the other team just about the entire game. And coaches don't like the other team's coach trying to coach their own players. It spilled out last year in the Maryland-Michigan game when Turgeon had enough of Howard yelling stuff at the Maryland team during a timeout. Right before Turgeon and Howard get into it, you can see Turgeon gesture toward the ref who is standing right there, as if to say "are you hearing this?" The ref did nothing, so Turgeon tells Howard to shut up and Howard responds with he's going to kill Turgeon. Very mature stuff.
So the end of the Wisconsin-Michigan game is all an extension of this. Wisconsin gets under every team's skin with how they play to begin with, between Davison and his nut-punching and to their general attitude that they invented basketball. Howard is just terrible to go against due to how he acts in games. End of game, Wisconsin up 15 under a minute left. Gard puts in the scrubs. Howard leaves a couple starters in and presses. Wisconsin has trouble getting it up the court, ball knocked out of bounds. Gard calls TO to reset the 10 second clock. Both coaches are letting their inner asshole show through. But fine, if both guys want to coach to the end of the game, so be it. The issue comes when they can't just let it go and move on. Howard feels the needs to tell Gard he won't forget it, and Gard feels the need to say something in return.
I equate it to what happened at the end of the Iowa-Minnesota football game in 2020. Iowa beating Gophers handily, KF puts in the 2nd and 3rd teamers. Fleck leaves starters in, is calling timeouts to try and get a TD on the board. So KF burns all his TO's as the Gophers get down near the goal line. Neither coach likes the other, both are being a bit petty at the end of a game that is no longer in doubt. Difference is they don't act like third-graders at the end of the game, they do the blow-by handshake and move on. Amazing that two football coaches show way more emotional maturity than the head coaches for Wisconsin and Michigan.
Where does this go from here? No idea. I doubt Howard changes a great deal. He had a long NBA career and got to be a head coach at Michigan being this way. If he just concentrates on coaching his team, probably will suit him well in the long run.
