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Caitlin ends her Iowa Career with 3,951 Points (NCAA & All-Time "Large School" Record). Megan Gustafson finished at 2,804

Packer54 said:
First year players around 75-100k.
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Actually, less.

I posted this above but will again. Last year, Rhyne Howard was the #1 overall pick in the WNBA Draft. She earned $72,141 in her first season. This season she will earn $73,584.

For 2023, the top WNBA salary will be $234,936

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Franisdaman said:
Actually, less.

I posted this above but will again. Last year, Rhyne Howard was the #1 overall pick in the WNBA Draft. She earned $72,141 in her first season. This season she will earn $73,584.

For 2023, the top WNBA salary will be $234,936

Sources:

www.spotrac.com

Rhyne Howard | WNBA Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

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Well, Rhyne Howard may have been the No. 1 pick, but people still remember Caitlin Clark outscored the whole Kentucky team in the first half in the Sweet Sixteen game. So they know Howard is not worth much :)
 
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Another player to keep in mind as we monitor Clark's total points is Villanova's Maddy Siegrist. She currently has 2,571 career points and averaging 29.07 ppg this season (1st in NCAA). Villanova has five regular season games plus Big East and NCAA Tournament games as well. Likely she'll end up around 2,900 (give or take) this season. If she returns for her Covid year she'll blow past Kelsey Plum and it would be difficult for Clark to pass her without returning for a fifth year.

I think Clark is currently at 2,348 career points and averaging 27.4 ppg (2nd in NCAA behind Siegrist). Using her career average of 26.98 ppg she needs another 43.68 games to pass Plum. Bluder did say on one of her Hawk Talk shows Iowa will play in a 3 day Thanksgiving tournament in Fort Meyers, FL next year and the three day format will allow them an extra game in the pre-conference (the way I understood once every four year a team can play in a three day and get an extra game) so there may be another game on the table next year for Clark.

Clark has tied UCONN's NIKA Muhl for the NCAA lead in assists per game (8.3) Amazing to be 2nd in scoring and 1st in assists.
 
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Franisdaman said:
Year: Points Scored
2021: 799 (30 games)..............26.6 ppg
2022: 863 (32 games)...............27.0 ppg
2023: 611 (22 games so far).....27.8 ppg
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2,273 Total Points so far
3,527 NCAA Record
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1,255 Points needed to Break the record

Looks like she needs 47 games to do it (27 ppg x 47 games = 1,269)
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Update on # games needed to break the record:


Year: Points Scored
2021: 799 (30 games)................26.6 ppg
2022: 863 (32 games).................27.0 ppg
2023: 684 (25 games so far).....27.4 ppg
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2,346 Total Points so far
3,527 NCAA Record
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1,182 Points needed to Break the record

Looks like she needs 44 games to do it (27 ppg x 44 games = 1,188)



For GOAT Reference:

2,804 Career Points, MEGAN GUSTAFSON (#25 in NCAA History)
...........20.8 ppg, 2015-2019, 135 GP
 
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Getting an extra non-conference game next year would be great, still too bad they lost three games to Covid last year or she'd have another 70 points already (most likely).

It will be also interesting to see if she can get 1000 career assists, only five players have ever done that. Don't think she can catch 5th at 1088, but might sneak into the club at least.

And I know it's a negative statistic so unfortunately I can't find any career or season record numbers for it, but she has to be making a run at most turnovers all time as well. Best I could tell from assist/turnover stats she is third in the country in turnovers and actually cut back on them this year. But over 4 per game for a whole career will have to be up there. Turnovers are like errors in baseball, you have to be pretty good to rack up so many of them or you wouldn't be in the game to get them.
 
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It's going to make for some interesting decisions next year. Iowa blows out so many opponents, and how long do you play her in those blowouts to be fair to opponents, but make sure she gets the record? The math sets up pretty close anyway, but not envious of trying to decide how long to play her in some of those games next year, especially early in the season.
 
I believe (but am not confident) the rule is a team can play 30 games with a conference tournament counting as 1 game (even though they may play more) and post-season not counting towards the limit. If this is accurate Iowa played six less games than normal in 2020-2021 season and two less in 2021-2022 (due to Iowa Covid cancellations in November). The additional 8 games would result in another 215ish points and barring injury/reduced production she likely would have caught Plum in 4 years (and still may).
 
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Well today didn’t help. The only downside of an early blowout.
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Yea, she probably won't lead the nation in scoring. She was about a half a point behind the girl from Villinova and she dropped a 50 burger in her last game to CC's 15 points. Still Clark is a much more complete player, and she SHOULD be NPOTY, but we'll see......
 
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Another player to keep in mind as we monitor Clark's total points is Villanova's Maddy Siegrist. She currently has 2,571 career points and averaging 29.07 ppg this season (1st in NCAA). Villanova has five regular season games plus Big East and NCAA Tournament games as well. Likely she'll end up around 2,900 (give or take) this season. If she returns for her Covid year she'll blow past Kelsey Plum and it would be difficult for Clark to pass her without returning for a fifth year.

I think Clark is currently at 2,348 career points and averaging 27.4 ppg (2nd in NCAA behind Siegrist). Using her career average of 26.98 ppg she needs another 43.68 games to pass Plum. Bluder did say on one of her Hawk Talk shows Iowa will play in a 3 day Thanksgiving tournament in Fort Meyers, FL next year and the three day format will allow them an extra game in the pre-conference (the way I understood once every four year a team can play in a three day and get an extra game) so there may be another game on the table next year for Clark.

Clark has tied UCONN's NIKA Muhl for the NCAA lead in assists per game (8.3) Amazing to be 2nd in scoring and 1st in assists.
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Yea Siegrist dropped a 50 burger this weekend to CC's 15, so she'll have a hard time catching her unless Iowa goes to the final 4 and Clark goes off the whole tourney....
 
kceasthawk said:
Yea, she probably won't lead the nation in scoring. She was about a half a point behind the girl from Villinova and she dropped a 50 burger in her last game to CC's 15 points. Still Clark is a much more complete player, and she SHOULD be NPOTY, but we'll see......
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? For you….how many womens basketball games other than Iowa’s have you watched this season?
 
I don't give two shits whether Clark breaks this record and I'm not sure she even wants to. She would be the first to say that Iowa is at our best when she scores less but is setting others up for good looks. Sure, the prospect of her breaking the record is exciting, but I find the obsession about it in this thread a bit extreme tbh...
 
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Legend12 said:
? For you….how many womens basketball games other than Iowa’s have you watched this season?
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Quite honestly none. I simply go off what I see in the media and the games. Tell me another player in the country, ANY player who has been top two in scoring AND assists for three straight years, First in BOTH last year, and within .5 of a point this year, AND tied for the lead in assists again. Anyone? She's also one of the leading rebounders in the league, as a point guard. Tell me another player in the country that is driving new fans, young and old, (yep even old guys like me), to watch womens basketball. Not only is Iowa selling out most of their WOMENS games, but when they hit the road their packing a lot of the gyms they play in. You know why. Her name is Caitlyn Clark. They've been on national network TV multiple times because of the Caitlyn Clark experience, (as the commentators call it, (not my words, their's). You think they'd be on Fox and Espn without her? Do you think they'd be above even the middle of the pack in the tough B1G womens basketball conference? Not a chance in hell.
 
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Regarding the NPOTY, since CC is an underclassmen, I think if South Carolina goes undefeated and wins the title, it's going to be difficult for some voters to ignore the SC gal(Boston).

Hope to be wrong.
 
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MitchLL said:
Regarding the NPOTY, since CC is an underclassmen, I think if South Carolina goes undefeated and wins the title, it's going to be difficult for some voters to ignore the SC gal(Boston).

Hope to be wrong.
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Just don't think it should just go to the best player on the #1 team by default. Bostons a very good player without question, but she's not a generational talent like Clark....
 
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HawkAlum2002 said:
And I know it's a negative statistic so unfortunately I can't find any career or season record numbers for it, but she has to be making a run at most turnovers all time as well. Best I could tell from assist/turnover stats she is third in the country in turnovers and actually cut back on them this year. But over 4 per game for a whole career will have to be up there. Turnovers are like errors in baseball, you have to be pretty good to rack up so many of them or you wouldn't be in the game to get them.
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The Stockton-Malone Jazz teams of the 90s committed a lot of turnovers. Jerry Sloan's understanding of risk-reward is that it's not a bad turnover to try to make a 75% pass for a dunk/layup. It results in more turnovers overall, but it's a good risk-reward play that teams trying to avoid turnovers at all costs don't benefit from.
 
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The Stockton-Malone Jazz teams of the 90s committed a lot of turnovers. Jerry Sloan's understanding of risk-reward is that it's not a bad turnover to try to make a 75% pass for a dunk/layup. It results in more turnovers overall, but it's a good risk-reward play that teams trying to avoid turnovers at all costs don't benefit from.
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In the 1990s the Jazz only had one season (1998-1999) where they averaged more TOs than the league average per team.

1990-1991: Below league average (15.9 v 16.0)
1991-1992: Below league average (15.4 v 15.6)
1992-1993: Below league average (15.5 v 15.9)
1993-1994: Below league average (14.5 v 16.0)
1994-1995: Below league average (15.7 v 15.9)
1995-1996: Below league average (14.8 v 15.8)
1996-1997: Below league average (15.4 v 15.7)
1997-1998: Below league average (15.4 v 15.5)
1998-1999: Above league average (16.3 v 15.3)
1999-2000: Below league average (14.9 v 15.5)
 
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Legend12 said:
In the 1990s the Jazz only had one season (1998-1999) where they averaged more TOs than the league average per team.

1990-1991: Below league average (15.9 v 16.0)
1991-1992: Below league average (15.4 v 15.6)
1992-1993: Below league average (15.5 v 15.9)
1993-1994: Below league average (14.5 v 16.0)
1994-1995: Below league average (15.7 v 15.9)
1995-1996: Below league average (14.8 v 15.8)
1996-1997: Below league average (15.4 v 15.7)
1997-1998: Below league average (15.4 v 15.5)
1998-1999: Above league average (16.3 v 15.3)
1999-2000: Below league average (14.9 v 15.5)
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Weird. I was just writing what I had heard a former NBA coach talking about. I just assumed what he said was accurate.
 
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I don't give two shits whether Clark breaks this record and I'm not sure she even wants to. She would be the first to say that Iowa is at our best when she scores less but is setting others up for good looks. Sure, the prospect of her breaking the record is exciting, but I find the obsession about it in this thread a bit extreme tbh...
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I guess you gave at least one shit because you replied. But it appears you are still constipated.

I guess breaking the all time NCAA scoring record is no big deal to you. Fine. Just ignore this thread then.
 
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Franisdaman said:
I guess you gave at least one shit because you replied. But it appears you are still constipated.

I guess breaking the all time NCAA scoring record is no big deal to you. Fine. Just ignore this thread then.
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She is going to break the record playing for a good/great team in a tough conference, that should be a huge deal to anyone.
 
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mthawkeyes said:
Weird. I was just writing what I had heard a former NBA coach talking about. I just assumed what he said was accurate.
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You'd probably have to do a bit more of a deep dive into what playoff teams vs non-playoff teams did as far as averages. They may have turned it over more than the other top teams. I've been a Jazz fan since those teams, but I don't remember them being careless with the basketball. Malone and Stockton are 2nd and 4th on the all time turnovers list but then again they played forever. LeBron is number one for the same reason.
 
MitchLL said:
Regarding the NPOTY, since CC is an underclassmen, I think if South Carolina goes undefeated and wins the title, it's going to be difficult for some voters to ignore the SC gal(Boston).

Hope to be wrong.
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I've seen SC's Boston play many times on TV as well as the other much touted potential NPOTY, Angel Reese from LSU. To me both are grossly overrated and neither is close to being as good as Caitlin Clark nor are they as valuable to their respective teams. Stat wise, there's also no comparison.
 
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I've seen SC's Boston play many times on TV as well as the other much touted potential NPOTY, Angel Reese from LSU. To me both are grossly overrated and neither is close to being as good as Caitlin Clark nor are they as valuable to their respective teams. Stat wise, there's also no comparison.
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LOL
 
It's a moot point. I predict Clark comes back for a fifth year and crushes multiple NCAA records. Obviously I could be wrong but the pro's for Clark staying are enough for her to come back.

Clark likes playing college ball, home crowds "should" only continue to grow the next two years and I have to imagine playing in front of huge crowds versus infinitely small WNBA crowds is a huge draw. Also will make more money via NIL than WNBA , at least for that first year. She'll get drafted but in my opinion the upsides for staying one more year is worth it for her.
 
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Franisdaman said:
We likely will never see a player like her again.


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"First" is a really odd choice for that tweet. Sure she is in the top ten right now, but she's hardly a first. Lindsay Whelan for instance was 4th in scoring and 6th in assists when her career ended in 2004. Sure she's been knocked down several slots out of the top ten in both but it doesn't erase that she was there long before 2023. For that matter whatever the first women's big ten game was, someone probably scored a bucket and had an assist in the first few minutes of that game to be in the top ten of both. First Iowa player (probably) to crack both might be appropriate.
 
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"First" is a really odd choice for that tweet. Sure she is in the top ten right now, but she's hardly a first. Lindsay Whelan for instance was 4th in scoring and 6th in assists when her career ended in 2004. . . .
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Precision, especially when discussing stats or records, is simply not a hallmark of what used to be called the SID’s office. But in this case, I doubt very much that anyone was misled. The gist of the tweet is that CC is the only (current or former) BIG player currently in the top ten in the BIG record book in both points and assists.
 
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