Cancelled my hotel in Indy last night
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I‘ll admit the only reason why I didn’t cancel my hotel room was because I kept forgetting to do it. Sometimes procrastination pays off.
Not long a go our offense snatched a 8-4 season from the Jaws of 12-0. Four losses by a total of 11 points. This is not slighting the players. It is an indictment of KF and his lack of commitment to putting an offense on the field solely not to lose games. We continue to be force fed an offense that can neither run nor pass the ball at even an average level. There are so many things to like about KF. However, his offensive philosophy is not one of them.
That is really too bad. I’m looking for the crying towel now. I feel SO SORRY for you. How will you ever recover?
is our offense really that different than anyone else in the big 10 save OSU? I understand we are ranked like 100th in output and that is not acceptable to me but are we really that much different than others?
plus you watch every game on sunday and it looks just like our offense,
Just to be clear--everyone here would rather win 50-48 than 20-17?
My philosophy has always been I am a Hawk fan--we show up, drink towns dry, and are rowdy come game day.
After that it is just win baby---3-0===20-17---100-90 I don't care if it results in a W....
I just watched the upset of Mich in 2016 with Beathard and that offense was very inept--announcers even mentioned it during the game how maligned they were. but one field goal later a 14-13 win over #3 Mich was as good as it gets,,,,
I have been one of Kirk's strongest supporters over the years, still feel he is a class act. I have had season tickets for over 30 years and 20 years lived over 500 miles away. My wife and I have had many great trips home and to bowl games to see the Hawks. We have spent tens of thousands traveling with no regret.
Maybe our twilight years are catching up with us, maybe we got excited too early, maybe I have an issue with nepotism, not sure. I must say that watching the Hawks on an 85" screen in my theater room isn't hard to take. Especially with a cold sarsaparilla close at hand.
Although Indy is a couple hours away, going to watch from home. Hawks offense will have their hands full, hope they give Michigan a good game. Championship game is awesome, hope Hawk fans have as much fun as we did in 2015.
Call me a loser if you want, not going to bother me. I still feel Iowa deserves better than Brian as an offensive coordinator. Hayden has to be looking down, shaking his head some times.
You can't preface being a supporter of kf and not supportive of his philosophy...22 years as a HC and it's been pretty much the same with mild evolution. We run the ball and play defense. Our margin for error is normally a one or two possession game. Please don't say you support kf but don't support his thinking..you support the man KF and not the HC. Can't have it both ways.....
I was right there with you when you started this thread. Hard to let your emotions not take control when you are a diehard passionate fan, @GunnerHawk. Don't feel bad, you weren't alone in this and during that rough patch, you were probably part of the majority. Like someone already stated, never too high, never too low as a Hawk.
GO HAWKS!
I've been thinking about this lately. A lot.
A number of years ago, while watching a "defense optional" game it became obvious that whoever got the final possession would win. If you think about it, that's the way any defenseless game is going to play out. The game is going is going to be won on the last possession. And people are perfectly fine with that, apparently. Well, it occurred to me that KF plays the same way - but with defense. He is perfectly comfortable playing one possession games, but asks the defense to win it in crunch time. We've seen it several times this season and it drives us crazy. Going into victory formation with time on the clock and punting against PSU? WTF???? But KF knew PSU couldn't score. Trust me, I'd love to see the 2002 offense redux. I think KF would too. Watching the end of these games is nerve-wracking. It feels like KF is betting on drawing to an inside straight every game. But contrary to what some people apparently believe, you don't win 10 games by accident. I think this is just what playing to your strengths looks like.
I'm going to both agree and disagree with you on this. I don't think there is another coach in the Big Ten that gets more out of less than Ferentz, maybe Fitz at Northwestern. The recruiting classes at Iowa are almost always towards the bottom of the Big Ten, the best years they are middle of the pack. Yet every year Iowa is competitive and about every 4/5 years we get an extra special treat like winning the West or winning 10 games. If KF retired tomorrow I'd be worried that they would slip back to the way it was in the 70s. All it takes is one bad coach and this football program could go in the dumpster, look what happened with basketball under Alford and then Lickliter. This coaching staff is damn good at finding over looked talent and developing them into good football players and some even reach the NFL.
OTOH, I'm going to disagree with you on not being supportive of his offensive philosophy, specifically the play calling. When I can sit in my seat and be able to predict the play that is about to run I'm sure the opposing coaches and players can do the same thing. We have seen some TERRIBLE play calling this year, plays that made zero sense given the circumstances. I'm ok with a run first - pro style offense, but could they find a coordinator that can call plays where everyone in the stadium doesn't know what's coming? Not very often do I get surprised, and when I do usually something good happens. We need more of that good to happen.
So I think it's fair to be a huge supporter of KF and yet be critical of the offense. There is room for improvement.
The nerve of these guys sneaking in to the CC game at 10-2 when they CLEARLY DON'T BELONG.
Is that what OP is saying?
Is that what OP is saying?
WHAT A CROCK
I'm not going to put words in his mouth, but here is the view of many fans:
KF was supported for many years because he was a decent person, because some aspects of his coaching were very good, and because there was some hope that he would grow out of his offensive ineptness. The appointment of BF as OC blew that up. Picking a neophyte to solve the program's biggest problem was clearly choosing the best interests of family over success of the program. It was giving the fan base the middle finger. I'm amazed that more fans didn't see and react to it at the time. How could anyone support that?
My own view is a little different. I saw a big red flag in his very first season. As an undermanned team,
they needed help from the coaches---deception, misdirection, innovation,..... Instead they were subjected to toe to toe combat and got hammered.
Unfortunately, that mindset is what I expect on Saturday. Nothing changes with him. He will try to go toe to toe against bigger, stronger, more experienced lines, trying to keep it close and hope to get lucky in the 4th quarter. Hope is not a good strategy. What he needs to do to have a chance is to move up the risk/reward analysis scale (not to the point of recklessness). We could get beat by 21 instead of 10, but would also have a better chance of winning.
I also want to add it seems we had a very good bball coach at one time who loved offense and even applied pressure defense and people still gave him crap because the defense was not good enough.
People seem to focus on the negative here too much.
I also would like to see how this defense would have been like with our 3 NFL linemen back--steel curtain time....but we know that did not happen either...
Just win baby and if you can't win them all give some credit to the opponent--you need to respect their efforts as well...
People seem to focus on the negative here too much.
I also would like to see how this defense would have been like with our 3 NFL linemen back--steel curtain time....but we know that did not happen either...
Just win baby and if you can't win them all give some credit to the opponent--you need to respect their efforts as well...
You're just another bad fan bitching about yet another 10 win season. It's ok. No one's perfect.
"It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmies and Joes". The world's most creative O-coordinator was not going to get more wins for that 1999 team. And that was pretty much known going in. So what a good coach does is stick with a culture and philosophy that can lead to success in the long run. That is exactly what KF did. Without taking that approach, we probably would not have had the success we did in 2002 through 2004.
JMO, but I think play-calling is over-rated. Talent and execution are far more important.
You shouldn't be bothered. This comment pales in comparison to so many others. People on here get really emotional and say dumb stuff in the heat of the moment all the time. If that makes you a loser then pencil in maybe 2/3rds of the people on here as losers, including probably half of the people calling you out on this particular nugget. All you have to do is peruse any game thread. I hardly participate in those anymore because the stupid factor is so high and it's typically the same group of people over and over. Enjoy the game. Sounds like you have a great setup.
It's not play calling, it's scheme. And at the margin, scheme is more important than talent and allows
for good execution.
OP doesn't know how to eat crow.
"I've spent 10s of thousands on Hakwkeye games so pitching a temper tantrum and canceling my tickets is no big deal. I will have sasparellas and a 85 inch TV to watch from so it's all good"
Hahaha
"I've spent 10s of thousands on Hakwkeye games so pitching a temper tantrum and canceling my tickets is no big deal. I will have sasparellas and a 85 inch TV to watch from so it's all good"
Hahaha
Iowa is 35-11 in the last four seasons. Iowa was 12-2 in 2015. This is KF's second West title. Your premise here is a crock. KF's first six seasons went 1-10, 3-9, 7-5, 11-2, 10-3, and 10-2. The improvement during this time was obvious to anyone who knows anything about college football. Big red flag in his first season my ass. Your last sentence is comically stupid.
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