CKLV Finals
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Brewer throws Nahshon Garret for 6 early, then Garrett makes him looks rather pedestrian in a 14-9 thumping.
Micah Jordan is the real deal. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if this OSU has another champ this year at 141. He has a large aresonal and gas tank. Wins 7-4
My dark horse is Stanford's McKenna. I am anxious to see that match!
Minnesota looked a bit tougher than expected.
PLACE TEAM POINTS
1 Missouri 154
2 Cornell 113
3 Minnesota 105
4 Oklahoma 102
5 Ohio State 96.5
6 Virginia Tech 91
7 Michigan 76
8 Kent State 65
9 Csu Bakersfield 62.5
10 Bucknell 62
11 Virginia 61
12 American 54.5
12 Northern Iowa 54.5
14 Army West Point 53
15 Purdue 52
PLACE TEAM POINTS
1 Missouri 154
2 Cornell 113
3 Minnesota 105
4 Oklahoma 102
5 Ohio State 96.5
6 Virginia Tech 91
7 Michigan 76
8 Kent State 65
9 Csu Bakersfield 62.5
10 Bucknell 62
11 Virginia 61
12 American 54.5
12 Northern Iowa 54.5
14 Army West Point 53
15 Purdue 52
I thought when the pre season rankings came out that Ashnault, McKenna and Jordan were way under ranked. I agree with you on McKenna, but in my eyes he won't be a dark horse.
I wouldn't go that low, but if the big 12 wouldn't have had the expansion ISU would be the worst team in a few years. Sammy Henson brought in a great class last year. With KJ not being able to develop his talent ISU fans will continue to blame Cael for being so crappy.
So a couple of questions.
What do you make of Moisey at this point? People scoffed that he was seeded #7, then he didn't place in the top 7. I think someone like McGhee knocks him off in the round of 16 at NCAA, like he did today. I think we're looking at a Tomasello, Dance, Gilman, Megaludis SF.
I agreed with the 2 stalling calls against Dance, btw. He ran Tomasello OOB to avoid giving up the escape, which the Flo announcer found baffling but I thought was a good call. Then he blocked off about 4 shots by Tomasello in the final period hoping for a re-shot. I don't like to see the refs deciding the outcome, but I do like them calling stalling. Tomasello decided the outcome by continuing to shoot.
So will Cory Clark be ranked #1 this week?
What do you make of Moisey at this point? People scoffed that he was seeded #7, then he didn't place in the top 7. I think someone like McGhee knocks him off in the round of 16 at NCAA, like he did today. I think we're looking at a Tomasello, Dance, Gilman, Megaludis SF.
I agreed with the 2 stalling calls against Dance, btw. He ran Tomasello OOB to avoid giving up the escape, which the Flo announcer found baffling but I thought was a good call. Then he blocked off about 4 shots by Tomasello in the final period hoping for a re-shot. I don't like to see the refs deciding the outcome, but I do like them calling stalling. Tomasello decided the outcome by continuing to shoot.
So will Cory Clark be ranked #1 this week?
Generally speaking, when a young guy turns the corner at NCAAs, they usually maintain that level of wrestling for the rest of their career. Maybe he's cutting a lot of weight, I don't know, but the drop off is surprising to me.
I've been watching Ashnault and McKenna since they were little kids. Both are definitely thoroughbreds.
Time for Bono to return home and take over at ISU. They are in trouble
Hopefully they will do better than the other good recruits Jackson has had. Finch, Cozart, Meeks, McCauley. The top recruits that are supposed to be making an impact this year aren't doing anything either (Boston, Harrington, Rodriguez-Spencer).
I would hold off until Midlands before I would say that the freshman class isn't making an impact. I am not trying to defend Jackson necessarily. I just would think having a top ten recruiting class (the top 5 are really top heavy in talent this year so this could even be a #7 type class for ISU) will make it tough to give up on KJ.
D1CW list of Jackson's Ranked Recruits. To be fair this doesn't include the RS or True Freshman.
#16 Ryak Finch
#29 Joey Cozart
#60 Michael Moreno
#65 Kyven Gadson
#98 Luke Goettl
#123 Mike England
#97 Tanner Weatherman
#5 John Meeks
#47 Gabe Moreno
#112 Dakota Bauer
#135 Jesse Doyle
#173 Kyle Larson
#105 Daniel Woiwer
#160 Adrian Cordova
If you took the list of TNT's recruits and it only had 2 guys who have reached the NCAA podium on it. They would be fired.
#16 Ryak Finch
#29 Joey Cozart
#60 Michael Moreno
#65 Kyven Gadson
#98 Luke Goettl
#123 Mike England
#97 Tanner Weatherman
#5 John Meeks
#47 Gabe Moreno
#112 Dakota Bauer
#135 Jesse Doyle
#173 Kyle Larson
#105 Daniel Woiwer
#160 Adrian Cordova
If you took the list of TNT's recruits and it only had 2 guys who have reached the NCAA podium on it. They would be fired.
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If you reorganize that it's Jackson's second, sixth, seventh and ninth best recruits just looking at recruiting numbers. On paper you could argue he is finally hitting his stride when it comes to recruiting.
Comparing Iowa and Iowa State recruiting isn't really a good argument, Brands has blown ISU out of the water when you compare the number of top 50 recruits in that same time frame. I understand Iowa State should be able to pull the same level recruits that Iowa does given they have a pretty good history in the sport themselves, so I would be able to side with you there, but most of the guys you listed were never expected to be world beaters to begin with.
Comparing Iowa and Iowa State recruiting isn't really a good argument, Brands has blown ISU out of the water when you compare the number of top 50 recruits in that same time frame. I understand Iowa State should be able to pull the same level recruits that Iowa does given they have a pretty good history in the sport themselves, so I would be able to side with you there, but most of the guys you listed were never expected to be world beaters to begin with.
Boston Harrington and RRS aren't even competing in the line up right now pretty easy to say they're not making noise lol and the guy starting over Renaldo was a blue chipper himself KJ isn't new to getting top recruits but he does need to develop them
This was sort of my point. It's not like he isn't getting top 150 kids. He seems to have a problem developing or even keeping those kids in the room. USA wrestling was also having a tough time developing the top talent while Jackson was at the helm.
I also have to disagree with you about comparing Iowa and Iowa State recruiting being a bad argument. Under Douglas and Cael Iowa State was very much in the conversation with Iowa. Now we are more likely to lose top in state kids to UNI or Grand View.
I guess if I were an ISU fan and saying every year wait until we get this guy or that guy in. Or wait until Destin McCaully comes or Patrick Downey comes. I would think it would start to get old after awhile. Maybe when they get their prize recruits from this class in they can keep the Cy-Hawk series with in 15.
Reorganize...??? And finally hitting his stride...???
Do you follow any results at all? Recruiting doesn't mean SQUAT if you can't COACH your athletes. And KJ's RESULTS since becoming Iowa State's head coach is simply LAUGHABLE. As I've stated many times over, if WRESTLING is IMPORTANT at Iowa State, then you do the obvious and DISPOSE the head coach. If not, continue down this dark path of insanity, plain and simple.
One fairly random 7th best recruiting class doesn't make a program. All it does is say that in a few years of things go right and suddenly multiple wrestlers develop in that room they might make the top 10.
Easy amigo, by reorganize I only meant that if you listed the recruits by their rankings, this class would contain some of the best recruits numbers-wise that Jackson has gotten aboard in his career. That is my point. Sure he has had some pretty good classes, but he currently stands to get a top 10 recruiting class, has some promising FR and SOs on the roster and just got his extension. Can you honestly tell me that you couldn't see an administration just letting it play out another year? I can.
Especially when you add in that the Northwestern job will most likely be a high profile opening I am just pointing out the possibility that Jackson getting another year isn't that crazy, there are some things they can look at and wait and see if it is going to play out.
Sure, but he has a couple of interesting guys on the roster, I am just saying firing Jackson could risk those kids seeking to not end up at ISU. I don't think it's crazy to think they wait one more year given the promising youth.
What does the Northwestern job have to do with Kevin Jackson and the future of hiring a coach? There are PLENTY of qualified coaches out there that WOULD definitely LOVE the Iowa State job, and WOULD do a better job than KJ. And giving KJ another year in Ames isn't crazy, IT'S INSANE.
Furthermore, referring to me as "amigo" is classless.
Oh, given they just extended him after last year I doubt he's going anywhere after this season.
He hasn't cracked the top 10 since his first year with Cael's guys. They seem to be going backwards instead of forward. If I'm the AD I go find a guy who can actually coach and not be so shortsighted as to keep him around because of one good (not great) recruiting class.
