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DanL's Pre-B1G Basketball Lottsa Stuff Thread.

Well, I'm loving the replies. I agree with you on Jok. It's like giving the green light to one of those cars from the "Too Fast, Too Furious", movies. I am not even worried about hands in Jok's face as frankly I think he shoots better than when he's wide open.

My only concern is that defenses not be allowed to push, grab, tackle, check block, hold, clip, facemask or any other nasty thing to prevent Jok from moving on the court. If this happens, I believe the solution is to let Jok give somebody a hard retaliation elbow and dare the refs to call it. He's not prone to foul problems anyway.

I recall last year against Indiana when Yogi Ferrell was wrestling Jok all game and at one point actually collided so hard as to knock Jok down and fall on him. The amazing thing to me was Jok is so strong he caught Yogi in the air and benched pressed him another three feet!!

Time to let that side out if he has to....own the court.


For me Dan, if they do those nasty things you mention above to Peter because this is how many teams play D in the BIG that we have a roster full of players who can attack the rim and play through the contact unlike many teams in our past. It's not just Cook either but if watch those other PTL highlights, Wagner, Pemsl, Kreiner, Uhl, Baer, (pretty darn good), Jones (?) and then on the perimeter you have Peter, Williams, Moss, Dailey and even Brady's not too bad either....I'll leave Jordan off this list....just shoot the ball JB. These perimeter players are 6'4/5" inches and a bit taller Williams.

Watch the highlights and these players play through the ruff & tuff of the game and can creatively still finish and don't crumble on a hand check and play above the rim too. Very nice.
 
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I'm going to say it again, I hope Wagner was living in the weight room in the offseason and comes back with 10-15 more pounds of muscle added to his already sturdy frame. I would love to see him take an "own the boards" attitude on both ends. Play tough defense and learn how to avoid fouls. Points from him would be a bonus. Maybe follow in the footsteps of Reggie Evans, with better demeanor toward teammates in practice.
 
I think what's different about this team than any team I can remember for awhile is the bulk we possess.

Athletic bulk. Skilled bulk. Neutralizing bulk.

I'm not wanting a hockey game to break out, but staring down an opponent with equal assets is better than having Brig Tubbs stare you down. (Sorry, Brig. You did get a mention, though)

And before I drool all over these players who've never played at this level and have a lot to prove, these guys have a lot to prove.

And they are big and skilled.
 
So, what the heck. Here's my Iowa Hawkeye Outlook and how we get to the 11-7 that I'm hoping for:

Point Guard: I've been shouting praises for Christian Williams for a solid year and a half now. Roy Marble as a Junior got the chance to step into the starting point guard spot when Mike Gesell was injured at Nebraska. And dang it but if Marble didn't lead us through a great run. While Gesell was missing four games and then came back at much less than 100%, Marble lead us to an 8-3 record. The only games we lost were at then #1 Indiana, Ted Valentine's crooked Big Ten Tournament game with #8 Michigan State by 3 points, and in the Final of the NIT to Baylor. (We finished 29th according to Kenpom, Baylor 28th)

So what's that say about a 6'6" shooting guard turning into a combo guard and by the way Devyn had 112 assists to 80 turnovers so he was still in the middle of learning the point. The next year as a senior it was 118-57. Now, I'd wager Marble, until Gesell was hurt, had less practice at point than Christian Williams has already had. And, those four games Gesell missed? In a row Marble went assists to turnovers 1-1, 4-4, 6-1, 5-1, getting better fast.

I've seen nothing in Williams game that makes me think he can't play the point. And in fact his ball handling, passing (6'6 3/4's you will see over people), and the potential defense from that nearly 7' wingspan. I think we're going to have a good one. And he was a scorer in high school and can jump! And may I remind what both Gesell and Clemmons said about Williams, "Don't sleep on him". And. I didn't exactly see McCaffery scouring the earth for a point guard in the 2016 class. Maybe because...

...Backup (imo) Bohannon comes in as prepared as a freshman can be to play point. It's a family thing. And we've got plenty of guys who could step in and bring the ball up.

And I would remind. McCaffery himself commented last May (or so) that we don't plan to use a point guard by having him set up every play. We run motion and that means several guys move around and all pass the ball. This is part of "Positionless Basketball" and maybe we aren't yet used to it, or just haven't considered that maybe the reason Mike Gesell didn't look like Yogi Ferrell is we don't want one guy dribbling around, and then a whole team adjusting to set up another scheme with the same guy at the top.

I think, when all is said and done, this year, after we temporarily suffer some problems with turnovers and stalled offenses, that we will be very happy at the end of the year with our point guards.

Wings: We know we've got Jok and he is a preseason All-B1G 1st team guy. Then we simply have to find the best wing to start alongside him. We've no shortage. Ellingson, Dailey, Moss, Baer, Jones. I KNOW we can find a good one as Baer is already that But I wonder if we find out that we're deep and I think I see some deadly shooters from outside to keep guys off of Jok.

As to busting up defenses with drives? Moss has the skill and so does Williams. Sure we could use more for the triple threat of drive, dish or shoot to be most effective. But if your passes and your shooting are solid, the drives get easier. I'll bet a dime to a dollar that if he doesn't having nagging injuries (my fear with Jok) Peter will make many guys pay for guarding him too close.

So, we're deep, have athletes and promising ones at that. The question still remains how much we put it together and how fast. But! Who is really brand new? Dailey. Everyone else on the wings has been around at least a year.

Power Forward/Center? Who hasn't shown a willingness to step out and hit the three? We know Uhl will shoot. And Wagner, suddenly this summer, showed some skill from outside and that went FAR beyond just surprising me. He could end up developing into a 6'7" muscular wing worthy of the NBA. I just don't know where his ceiling is. Cook? Fran told him when he recruited him he was going to get coached up into a complete Power Forward and that includes a game from the outside. Pemsl, Kriener, each comes with some ability, or good ability, to stretch the floor. As far as posting up or penetrating? I'd give Wagner and Cook the green light to take the ball to the rim anytime they want. They are fearless. I'm hoping the same comes true for Uhl, hopefully he can take the contact this season. Kriener and Pemsl seem like more natural back to the basket guys. But what a mix, and we only need to find two to start and at least one to come off the bench.

I REALLY like the talent of this team. And where we are new is at spots we can afford to be. Our weaknesses will all be from inexperience, some I've mentioned:

Turnovers, stalled offense, missed assignments on defense, foul troubles.

I don't think defense is going to be that bad. And I think our strengths will be the ball handling at five spots. Passing at five spots (keeping fingers crossed for Jok, big part of how he gets in the NBA draft) And those two reasons are why I think our points end up pretty good, they will have help. Getting help from all five spots matters. Other strengths; rebounding, especially offensive, and lot's and lot's of made three's. :)

Let's get to that NCAA Tournament...because by then this team is going to be scary.

And, watch out for free throw percentages....we need to keep 'em high.

I agree with most everything here.

Lets not forget Dailey who is another slasher who can score. We finally have some guys that can create their own shot.

Throw in Cook- we haven't had a player like him since perhaps Ed Horton.

Asking alot of true freshman- but this team should be fun to watch.
 
Easy Ed Horton was a true beast.......if Cook can be that tough and mean he will be incredible. Can the season start tomorrow? Love the stare down philosophy!
 
I'll pretty much guarantee it as well. But as I explained, which ones? As of now the best thing I think they've got going is a couple games they should win, and sixteen chances to get hot shooting, or catch a team on a cold night. If I credit them with upsets, I have to guess which teams they will beat. I don't know how to do that and not be less accurate than I am.

Fair enough, but I think you'll be surprised how much better Minnesota will be. This isn't football where it can take years to build a program. A few talented guys can turn things around pretty quickly.

Like I said earlier, one could easily argue we bring in the second most talent in the conference behind Michigan State, while not losing a whole lot. Joey King was good shooter but was a rebounding and defensive liability. Charles Buggs sucked and Amir Coffey will be an instant upgrade. Losing Kevin Dorsey is no biggie either. In reality, Joey King's shooting will be the only thing we miss from the departures.
 
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Fair enough, but I think you'll be surprised how much better Minnesota will be. This isn't football where it can take years to build a program. A few talented guys can turn things around pretty quickly.

Like I said earlier, one could easily argue we bring in the second most talent in the conference behind Michigan State, while not losing a whole lot. Joey King was good shooter but was a rebounding and defensive liability. Charles Buggs sucked and Amir Coffey will be an instant upgrade. Losing Kevin Dorsey is no biggie either. In reality, Joey King's shooting will be the only thing we miss from the departures.

Best of luck to your team. Thanks for the conversation. I have a good list of teams I'd like to see you guys beat and wouldn't mind being surprised at all unless you happen to beat my guys.
 
Easy Ed Horton was a true beast.......if Cook can be that tough and mean he will be incredible. Can the season start tomorrow? Love the stare down philosophy!

I think Horton was listed at 6'8" if I'm recalling correctly, so not particularly tall for a post. And I don't remember him being a particularly good leaper.
But he was strong, with decent bulk, and knew how to use those tools well to get the job done around the basket. Some guys don't need to jump out of the gym or run the fastest shuttle time to be highly effective. Easy Ed is a great example for any of the Iowa big men to emulate.
 
Now that football has kinda been a bust kinda excited to see the new guys i don't expect an NCAA tourney team but i think the future looks good.
When's the real game haven't checked? I saw their pre big ten sechedule hardest I've ever seen. Wow!!!
 
Now that football has kinda been a bust kinda excited to see the new guys i don't expect an NCAA tourney team but i think the future looks good.
When's the real game haven't checked? I saw their pre big ten sechedule hardest I've ever seen. Wow!!!
Hardest you've ever seen for Iowa or hardest you've ever seen for any team?
 
So, what the heck. Here's my Iowa Hawkeye Outlook and how we get to the 11-7 that I'm hoping for:

Point Guard: I've been shouting praises for Christian Williams for a solid year and a half now. Roy Marble as a Junior got the chance to step into the starting point guard spot when Mike Gesell was injured at Nebraska. And dang it but if Marble didn't lead us through a great run. While Gesell was missing four games and then came back at much less than 100%, Marble lead us to an 8-3 record. The only games we lost were at then #1 Indiana, Ted Valentine's crooked Big Ten Tournament game with #8 Michigan State by 3 points, and in the Final of the NIT to Baylor. (We finished 29th according to Kenpom, Baylor 28th)

So what's that say about a 6'6" shooting guard turning into a combo guard and by the way Devyn had 112 assists to 80 turnovers so he was still in the middle of learning the point. The next year as a senior it was 118-57. Now, I'd wager Marble, until Gesell was hurt, had less practice at point than Christian Williams has already had. And, those four games Gesell missed? In a row Marble went assists to turnovers 1-1, 4-4, 6-1, 5-1, getting better fast.

I've seen nothing in Williams game that makes me think he can't play the point. And in fact his ball handling, passing (6'6 3/4's you will see over people), and the potential defense from that nearly 7' wingspan. I think we're going to have a good one. And he was a scorer in high school and can jump! And may I remind what both Gesell and Clemmons said about Williams, "Don't sleep on him". And. I didn't exactly see McCaffery scouring the earth for a point guard in the 2016 class. Maybe because...

...Backup (imo) Bohannon comes in as prepared as a freshman can be to play point. It's a family thing. And we've got plenty of guys who could step in and bring the ball up.

And I would remind. McCaffery himself commented last May (or so) that we don't plan to use a point guard by having him set up every play. We run motion and that means several guys move around and all pass the ball. This is part of "Positionless Basketball" and maybe we aren't yet used to it, or just haven't considered that maybe the reason Mike Gesell didn't look like Yogi Ferrell is we don't want one guy dribbling around, and then a whole team adjusting to set up another scheme with the same guy at the top.

I think, when all is said and done, this year, after we temporarily suffer some problems with turnovers and stalled offenses, that we will be very happy at the end of the year with our point guards.

Wings: We know we've got Jok and he is a preseason All-B1G 1st team guy. Then we simply have to find the best wing to start alongside him. We've no shortage. Ellingson, Dailey, Moss, Baer, Jones. I KNOW we can find a good one as Baer is already that But I wonder if we find out that we're deep and I think I see some deadly shooters from outside to keep guys off of Jok.

As to busting up defenses with drives? Moss has the skill and so does Williams. Sure we could use more for the triple threat of drive, dish or shoot to be most effective. But if your passes and your shooting are solid, the drives get easier. I'll bet a dime to a dollar that if he doesn't having nagging injuries (my fear with Jok) Peter will make many guys pay for guarding him too close.

So, we're deep, have athletes and promising ones at that. The question still remains how much we put it together and how fast. But! Who is really brand new? Dailey. Everyone else on the wings has been around at least a year.

Power Forward/Center? Who hasn't shown a willingness to step out and hit the three? We know Uhl will shoot. And Wagner, suddenly this summer, showed some skill from outside and that went FAR beyond just surprising me. He could end up developing into a 6'7" muscular wing worthy of the NBA. I just don't know where his ceiling is. Cook? Fran told him when he recruited him he was going to get coached up into a complete Power Forward and that includes a game from the outside. Pemsl, Kriener, each comes with some ability, or good ability, to stretch the floor. As far as posting up or penetrating? I'd give Wagner and Cook the green light to take the ball to the rim anytime they want. They are fearless. I'm hoping the same comes true for Uhl, hopefully he can take the contact this season. Kriener and Pemsl seem like more natural back to the basket guys. But what a mix, and we only need to find two to start and at least one to come off the bench.

I REALLY like the talent of this team. And where we are new is at spots we can afford to be. Our weaknesses will all be from inexperience, some I've mentioned:

Turnovers, stalled offense, missed assignments on defense, foul troubles.

I don't think defense is going to be that bad. And I think our strengths will be the ball handling at five spots. Passing at five spots (keeping fingers crossed for Jok, big part of how he gets in the NBA draft) And those two reasons are why I think our points end up pretty good, they will have help. Getting help from all five spots matters. Other strengths; rebounding, especially offensive, and lot's and lot's of made three's. :)

Let's get to that NCAA Tournament...because by then this team is going to be scary.

And, watch out for free throw percentages....we need to keep 'em high.

By the time the NCAA tournament hits they might be a scary team...in the NIT.
 
I see that Davonte Fitzgerald, the 6'8" transfer from Texas A&M tore up a knee and is out for the season. Don't know how much Minnesota was counting on him, but they won't see him until next season.
 
I think Horton was listed at 6'8" if I'm recalling correctly, so not particularly tall for a post. And I don't remember him being a particularly good leaper.
But he was strong, with decent bulk, and knew how to use those tools well to get the job done around the basket. Some guys don't need to jump out of the gym or run the fastest shuttle time to be highly effective. Easy Ed is a great example for any of the Iowa big men to emulate.

Caleb Swanigan of Purdue is built similarly to Horton in his playing days (although Swanigan had to lose about 100 pounds first) and their games are similar as well: both about 6'8" tall, not particularly great leapers, but knew/know how to score around the basket and were/are strong enough and smart enough to enable themselves to get their lion's share of rebounds.
 
I always thought of swanigan as a Zach Randolph "might have messed up last name" who played for MSU had no athletic ability so Caleb idk might be a bit more athletic but Zach has been a terrific NBA player for a 6'8 guy who one NBA player said"couldn't jump over a piece of paper" . Was always surprised he didnt win the "best white guy award". Which goes to the guy with the great skills but not athletic and best player with it...not sure what it's called but it's award that the NBA should have gotten rid of because some of the guys that have won it were athletic.
 
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I agree ronman i don't think he his to bright in real life as well as basketball. He is a NBA bench player for a few years, then i don't think he will be in the NBA. He was a bit overrated recruit wasn't he top 10-20 in all sites? Think Espn had him 9, they are the worst at evaluating talent though.

He did make a smart move coming back to school, even though he said he was going to be a one and done player going into college.
 
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Swanigan has all the physical tools, but his basketball IQ seems limited to me.

IMO, it was more immaturity with him than not having a high basketball IQ last season (ill-advised 3PT's and several traveling violations probably being his two biggest negatives as a frosh). I believe you will see him be more efficient as a sophomore and his smarts will shine through more often.
 
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Speaking of the defenders mauling Jok, one good way to put a stop to that is setting a nice hard pick on them to send a message. I would like to see more of that in these scenarios, let the other team know there's a price to pay.
 
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