But…God is just.
If God states the penalty for sin is death, then He has every right to administer punishment.
If God starts making exceptions because TarHeel doesn’t like it, then God is not just.
Face it you heathens... the Bible is VERIFIABLE HISTORY
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If God states the penalty for sin is death, then He has every right to administer punishment.
If God starts making exceptions because TarHeel doesn’t like it, then God is not just.
It means you want to be King of the Castle, Lord of the Manor, etc. You do not want to submit to a higher authority. Children act like this all the time.
Very cute and solid effort here!
Kidding aside, I actually like to talk to middle-aged men, some well off. I’ve seen families heal from pain because of the Holy Spirit in them. Addictions ended and families restored. Powerful stuff.
And yes, agree that teaching children is vital as well.
Did you ever read atheist philosophers like Nietszche and Sartre? I did from about 2008-2016 off and on.
Nietzsche's philosophy was about "self overcoming" and Sartre's was about "existence proceeds essence." It's about developing oneself.
It's basically self-worship.
Atheists make themselves into mini "gods" because they make up their own morality and do whatever they want, whenever they want. There's no higher authority other than their own egos.
Horseshit. It’s literally no different than what you do, you just use a book and priests to reflect on and develop yourself. There are people who don’t need that. There are people who believe that the light of God lies within and they have direct contact with God with no need for an intermediary. Says that in your Bible btw. It’s what spurred the Reformation.
I don't believe I'm God.
I think Nietszche did. 😆
Here's a good start for you to learn more:
Middle-aged men eh? How can you tell from the stall, is it the shoes? You see velcro and assume either too young or too old? Has the 'gender neutral' movement inhibited your hunting grounds?
Kidding aside, I'm glad you've seen success elsewhere, because you're a terrible messenger/proponent on here.
I don’t care what Nietszche believed. As I’ve stated multiple times, I don’t care what YOU believe until you climb up on that moral high horse and claim morality only exists because you have a book. You do exactly what YOU want every single day with nothing but your “ego” to constrain you - exactly the same as everyone else. You just feed your ego Bible stories to justify YOUR decisions. Other people manage it without the stories.
Not quite. If I was an atheist, I would live much differently.
Regardless, I'm not trying to convince you. I do believe atheists worship themselves.
Most Americans are atheists and don't agree with that. That's fine.
If the only thing preventing you from being a murdering pervert is that your read a book, there is seriously something wrong with you. Empathy and compassion don’t come from a book…if they did you wouldn’t need to deal with the Joel Osteens of Christianity.
I would argue that the claim that we have good evidence for all of the disciples being martyred is an overstatement. Particularly if we are considering the eye witnesses to the resurrection which seems most pertinent to this argument.
Even apologist Sean McDowell thinks we only have good sources for 2 of the 12 Peter and James of Zabedee and 2 outside the 12 Paul and James brother of Jesus. A lot of our other martyrs are not eyewitnesses to the resurrection or the accounts appear in the record decades later.
If I were to apply similar standards to the verifiability of historical claims I would have to accept all sorts of supernatural events as probable including the divine nature of many historical figures.
I wouldn't murder people if I was an atheist but I'd be alot more selfish like the atheist Trump.
Marciionism was an early Christian way of trying to deal with this issue. Jesus is in opposition to the creator God of the Hebrew Bible known as the demiurge.
I don’t disagree. I think overall we are talking persecution as the theme, not necessary scoring points only in dying a martyrs death. John was burned and exiled, but did not die a martyr as an example.
And since we are all born in sin for eternity because some tart ate an apple given to her by a talking snake that this god put IN the garden then your God can kill us any time for any reason or no reason other than that "original sin". And that's "just" to you. And don't tell me that doesn't apply because your god ordered the deaths of newborn Amalekite infants. Tell me what sin they could have committed to warrant a death sentence. The only answer would be this demented concept of "original sin". If that's just, you and I have very different definitions of that word.
Nature and nurture.
Let me ask you this...is it your contention that those who are ignorant of the Bible are incapable of exhibiting those traits?
They along with Christians are incapable of exhibiting those traits, perfectly.
Man is capable of compassion, but man stumbles offering compassion when it gets difficult.
You and I would have treated Judas harshly. Jesus washed his feat the night of His death.
Marcionism is not a Christian-ism. It’s Gnosticism and fully rejected.
That doesn't remotely address the question.
Are you now admitting I was correct and they don't come from a book?
Religion is like football, you root for the team you grew up with. Christians would be all in on allah and moohameeed if they were born in Iran. Funny how all believers think they were so lucky to be born into the one true religion! Not to mention the countless denominations of Christianity. The all knowing creator left a lot of wiggle room in his message. You'd think he'd come down and straighten it all out. Or at least murder the world again and do another fresh start.
One could say the same thing about atheism...there are so many atheists because America is an atheist country now.
The creator did come down...at least according to Christianity. He founded one Church and the others splintered off from it.
Many Roman historians around the time of Jesus's life wrote about him and events of that time. What Jesus said in words are what I think are important but you dont have to belong to a religion and believe the miracles to be a good, decent person.
It addressed it, you just didn’t like it.
We’ve had this argument before and I’m happy to oblige again. You think morality is subjective and humans created their own and it evolved over time. I think the opposite and it is completely objective.
We are capable of love because God loved us first. God created love after all. That’s my take. Your take is we evolved from protoplasm and just figured it out on our own.
Great question.
Every atheist I've ever engaged with has claimed they're "good."
That's easy for them because they make up their own standard of what is good and what is not.
And yet, Christians can't agree on what constitutes objective morality. Interesting, isn't it? Your god can't even decide what constitutes objective morality. As I pointed out earlier, your god commanded that thou shalt not kill yet then ordered the slaughter of an untold number of innocent children and infants. Don't talk to me about "objective morality" when you have that profoundly immoral skeleton in the closet.
They should all convert to Catholicism and then all these different opinions would be fixed.
Just so you know, it's that insufferable air of superiority that people find so objectionable. You make up your own standard just like everyone else. I'll say it again, you base your standards on a book but they are yours alone. Others use different sources. Yours is not - in any way - definitive.
Funny, then, that Catholics can't agree.They should all convert to Catholicism and then all these different opinions would be fixed.
Well, it's true, in my experience.
Every atheist I've engaged with thinks they're a "good person."
You're right although the Magesterium sets dogma and some disagree with it.
Every religious person I’ve engaged actually believes there is an afterlife for “good people”, as long as they believe so.
Now that is some funny shit!!!
Every religious person I’ve engaged actually believes there is an afterlife for “good people”, as long as they believe so.
Now that is some funny shit!!!
Have you considered converting? You can get infinite bliss in eternity.
We'd love to have you and @tarheelbybirth
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I’m a recovering Catholic. I was smart enough to see behind the curtain as a teen. I’ll never go back. I’m okay going back to the Earth like every other living organism on this planet. I welcome you to join the cult of reality.
It's not too late to come home. I was lapsed for 15 years into atheist philosophy like Nietszche, Schopenhauer and Camus.
The only purpose to life is to get to Heaven and get others to Heaven as well.
