UH what??? Think you hit the bottle too hard or something???
Anyway Lee went TF, TF. PINNED PICcinninni, PINNED TOMAto, and beat Suriano 5-1 in the finals and it wasn't that close!!!
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Anyway Lee went TF, TF. PINNED PICcinninni, PINNED TOMAto, and beat Suriano 5-1 in the finals and it wasn't that close!!!
I’m on your side. Sorry replying to the message you replied to. Mizzou fan said Yianni’s only loss was a fluke cradle to Eierman. I’m guessing it wasn’t a fluke cradle when he was at Missouri.
It was a fluke because everyone knows Eierman never goes for a cradle. And if he did what’s the likely hood he gets it. Lmao.
Remember that time Lee got fluke back points.
Yes it was. Mizzou fans are the most pessimistic bunch you’ll ever meet.
Search my posts on here and you’ll see my criticism of Eierman has been consistent for years. At Mizzou, the coaching staff and the fan base were frustrated that he was overly reliant on his defensive counters. His flashy pins and counters are amazing but they aren’t effective against top wrestlers.
It’s the same thing at Iowa. It’s why guys like Spencer, O’Toole, and countless PSU wrestlers are so fun to watch, because they score points in bunches.
See, I know you’ve never watched the match. Here is the link.
Judge for yourself. Also, Yianni is 5-0 in free/folk since this fluky ending. Y’all better pray he doesn’t cut down.
I always wonder what kind of life someone who seeks out opponents message boards has. What kind of argument do you expect to win? Listen Kip go back to chatting with babes all day online it’s probably more rewarding for you.
OK, to clarify, "Modern times" as I was thinking of it when I wrote that was 1970 or so because Freshman became eligible to win NCAA titles. If you go back to the '40s or '50s and say the first year they were eligible instead of "Freshman" this list would change. Also if you took "True" off and just said Freshman it would change. Having said all that, I'll narrow "Modern times" Down to after 1990, since several people on this thread probably weren't born even then, but it's after the sport evolved into the defensive, stalling sport that it now is for so many top wrestlers. My list since 1990;
Cael Sanderson
Spencer Lee
Lincoln McIlravy
Kyle Dake
Yianni Diakomihalis
That is less than half of the true Freshman (if you consider Ivy Leaguers being true Freshman. I honestly can't remember if Dake Or Yianni "Grayshirted") Champs in that time period. I would also put several 2nd or 3rd place, true Freshman, ahead of Snyder on my list.
Both Dake and Yianni wrestled for Cornell directly after high school. No greyshirt, no redshirt. True freshmen; I believe Yianni turned 19 just after the NCAAs. Cael actually wasn't a true freshman (he even took a loss his redshirt year) his freshman year, IIRC.
He lost to the late Paul Jenn of Iowa, as a redshirt freshman and unattached which is why it doesn't show up on his College record.
Oh, yes, I'm having a lot of senior moments today. Paul Jenn (RIP) beat him his Redshirt year. OK, take your pick to take his place; J'Den Cox, Dustin Schlatter, Myles Martin, Teyon Ware, Mark Hall, Pat Smith. All true Freshman NCAA Champs. Probably more I'm not thinking of.
Good call on Schlatter. He and Metcalf were recruits #1 and 1a. I believe Jrob entered unnattached and redshirting Schlatter in the "junior" division in the great Kauffman-Brand Omaha Tournament they used to have, and Brands entered Metcalf redshirting and unattached in the "senior" division for VT.
I believe that was the year Metcalf lost by a point, in the finals on a penalty point (headgear grab?) to eventual Iowa Finalist that year Ty Eustice from Iowa.
Schlatter not surprisingly rolled in the junior division, and Jrob decided they might just have something and eventually brought him out of redshirt (perhaps helped along by Metcalf's performance in the senior division ???). Ironically Schlatter beat Ty Eustice in that years NCAA Finals.
That's my recollection anyway (and minor edits after some research), feel free to correct whatever is off.
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Other than Tony just won an under 23 Gold, I do get what you are saying though.
Spence has been injured so leave him out of it.
I have no doubt if Spence was healthy he would have won Olympic and World Gold this year.
I am very high on O'Toole and he is going to give the Bull all he can handle. I remember watching him take Gallagher apart at Who's #1 and was surprised because he took a questionable loss at Fargo that year IIRC. But yea, I wouldn't compare him to Snyder. Nolf would be more appropriate because both guys look like avg dudes physically (when Nolf first hit college) and have the confidence to wrestle in any position. I watched an O'Toole match close up at Juniors and was standing about 5 feet from him when he was warming up on deck...I was struck by how he shouldn't be close to being 74kg but he's almost so good it doesn't matter.
Two things though...Marinelli doesn't get enough credit for being a smart wrestler. He took that L against Wick, figured out how to beat him, and has won 5 straight (?) since then. Was 3-1 vs Cenzo? Anyways, you can harp on Marinelli not proving it at NCAAs and you'd be correct. Bull has his work cut out for him. Also, as high as I am on KOT (I mentioned him with Nolf who was my fav non Iowa guy), have to look at the competition he faced last year. He murdered everybody (except for the kid from N. Illinois) until he got to NCAAs. Yup, he broke AV but was neck and neck with all the other "name" guys. About the same results that the Bull had against them .Has he made the leap to Spencer level domination? We'll see.
He beats Wick in the practice room in the off-season. Now obviously that’s not the ncaa semifinals or anything but just saying.
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Interesting, you know I used to beat up on Steve Mocco in the early 2000's too. Or was that Steve McCombs? Either way, I'm impressed with myself.
