What are the metrics you will accept as quality performance from the offense. How many ppp/ypp etc..?
For all you Brian Haters
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Until I see how good our competition is this year, that's impossible to answer to me.
ind and ISU were both in or near top to start last year! we saw how that played out. Hell us and psu were both top 5 at one point...
ind and ISU were both in or near top to start last year! we saw how that played out. Hell us and psu were both top 5 at one point...
I mean, pick your category they couldn’t get it done last year. Hoping to get to a median offensive output in yards/points, pace adjusted of course.
Seriously? Could it get much worse than last year? Expecting the Offense to carry it’s fair share of the load is not unreasonable and does not make you a BF hater.
Not a Brian hater. Somewhere on the fence because I do feel he is handcuffed somewhat by Kirk's conservative philosophy. He's had games of brilliance (USC '19 and OSU '17 off the top of my head) and games that make me shake my head.
If we had a terrible defense, my expectations would be different. We'd need to score 40 to win. Thankfully we don't have a terrible defense. We need less from our offense. Kirk doesn't need to risk 40 passes a game. You could argue passing 40 times isn't that risky if your offense can back it up, but we're not winning that argument with KF.
Having said all that:
*above 60% passing completion
*30 ppg (including defense tds and great field position opportunities we get from TOs)
*400 ypg
*32/28 TOP
*4-5 down field throws per game. I don't even care if they are complete... check that, I do care, I just think you have to go for a homerun at least a few times in a game, especially when teams have 8 within 8 yards of the LOS as often as they do.
If we had a terrible defense, my expectations would be different. We'd need to score 40 to win. Thankfully we don't have a terrible defense. We need less from our offense. Kirk doesn't need to risk 40 passes a game. You could argue passing 40 times isn't that risky if your offense can back it up, but we're not winning that argument with KF.
Having said all that:
*above 60% passing completion
*30 ppg (including defense tds and great field position opportunities we get from TOs)
*400 ypg
*32/28 TOP
*4-5 down field throws per game. I don't even care if they are complete... check that, I do care, I just think you have to go for a homerun at least a few times in a game, especially when teams have 8 within 8 yards of the LOS as often as they do.
Anything better than last year. The stats you post are point less, how can you come up with those? I think everyone just want's a show of improvement. Mainly, QB and OL, if that happens, yes it should be better.
I agree with this but I would say for the down-the-field throws, 20+ yards per attempt, at least to test the secondary. Makes the run support a little less easy for opponents. I would also add at least 180 yards rushing per game (top 50), with 200 preferable (top 25). For a team that predicates it's offence on being balanced, it was anything but last year.
Exactly. Look at the offensive numbers. Yards gained.Indeed. I mean look at those 2nd and 10 calls the last 5 games of the year!!
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How about being better than 78th in the country in yards per play? That's his current high mark in his five years (he's also finished in the 100's twice including 123rd last season. Even the terrible Greg Davis finished higher than 78th in two of his five seasons. I don't think it's too much to ask to finish in the top half of the nation in yards per play in one out of six seasons as an offensive coordinator.
I think the offensive numbers that work for Iowa having a really good season are averaging at least 28 pts per game but 31+ is even better. This usually leads to 9 wins because of the great, above avg defense and special teams.
I think Kirk's better rushing teams avg 4.5 yards per carry but at least about 4.2. Last year was about 3.6 which is not good. Passing game wise the hawks need at least 60% completion rate but somewhat higher with a better avg in yards per attempt and completion than normal years is needed. Move the chains type of passing game.
Kirk wants to and needs to win the turnover battle so the offense needs to not make those mistakes as well as few penalties per game.
If this year's team hits these metrics, if the defense is great as advertised, and if special teams remain really good then the sky is the limit for this team..
Kirk and Fry's really strong teams just beat the crap out of the non-conf opponents so we will know in just 3 weeks what to expect.
Maybe not #1 in college football in negative yardage plays from scrimmage?
Part of the problem last year was we had O-Line injuries just before the season started. The o-line did not open running lanes and couldn't give SP time to throw. Also, Petras couldn't or wouldn't move to give himself a little time. The only thing I'll blame BF for is that if the o is too complicated, he needs to dumb it down. He needs to know what plays each QB is comfortable with and stick to it. Is this BF or KF? I also remember all the complaining with KOK and GD. Seems there is something else going on.
At this point, I’d take total offense ranked in the top half of Div 1. That to me would at least show improvement. Also, Petras should be on a very short leash this year. If he‘s overthrowing and not going through the progressions like he should bench him.
Last year's O rankings:
Passing O: #109
Rushing O: #102
Scoring O: #99
Total O: #121
That's just f*cking embarrassing. If you want a metric from me I'd say finish in the top-60 in Scoring O as well as two of the remaining three categories.
Passing O: #109
Rushing O: #102
Scoring O: #99
Total O: #121
That's just f*cking embarrassing. If you want a metric from me I'd say finish in the top-60 in Scoring O as well as two of the remaining three categories.
This is a fantastic post. Every one of those bullet points is realistic. I would add 24 first downs per game and four or less punts per game.
If the goal is to be balanced on offense, the stats should break down as follows:
70 plays per game.
35 passing plays, 60% completions =21/35
7.5 ypa would yield around 260 yards.
35 runs at 4.5 ypc would yield around 155 per game.
I agree with attacking vertically. It is absolutely the best way to keep the defense honest. It is also Petras' best attribute. He actually throws a good deep ball if he is decisive and throws on time.
If we had a terrible defense we'd be a sub .500 program the past several years. BF should be giving PP half of his paycheck every week. It's all on the D to win us these games.
This right here...imagine if Iowa's D was around 60th last year...the 10 win season would have been 6-6.
How about simply ranking in the top half of FBS team in offense. Just freaking above average.
Is that too much to ask?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2021-team-offense.html
Is that too much to ask?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2021-team-offense.html
I like top 60…Definitely on rushing and scoring.
Comes down to having some Dudes on the Line.
No excuse for our O-Line to be this inept.
Or the rest of the offense. We’ve been mediocre on offense with good lines. Multiple problems.
Rushing: 38 Attempts 4.8 ypc = 182.4 yds per game, 2.2 TDs/game
Passing: 18/29 = 62% 210 yds. 7.2 yds per attempt, 1.5 TDs/game, 7 or less ints
Total yards = 392.4
Notes: this would only require completing 2 more passes a game than last year, but for 30 more yards.
Total yards would put us about 70th.
45th in rushing
88th in passing.
(side note, interestingly Alabama was 88th in rush at only 150/game 4.1 avg. very good passing numbers tho)
Probably finish no worse than 8-4 with 9-3 more likely I would think.
These seem like reasonable numbers to me.
Passing: 18/29 = 62% 210 yds. 7.2 yds per attempt, 1.5 TDs/game, 7 or less ints
Total yards = 392.4
Notes: this would only require completing 2 more passes a game than last year, but for 30 more yards.
Total yards would put us about 70th.
45th in rushing
88th in passing.
(side note, interestingly Alabama was 88th in rush at only 150/game 4.1 avg. very good passing numbers tho)
Probably finish no worse than 8-4 with 9-3 more likely I would think.
These seem like reasonable numbers to me.
Here is the ranking out of the total number of FBS teams based on total offense, and the team's OC for that season.
1999 - ?? (Ken O'Keefe)
2000 - 104/116 (Ken O'Keefe)
2001 - 45/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2002 - 13/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2003 - 92/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2004 - 104/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2005 - 22/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2006 - 27/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2007 - 109/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2008 - 53/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2009 - 89/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2010 - 57/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2011 - 76/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2012 - 117/124 (Greg Davis)
2013 - 84/125 (Greg Davis)
2014 - 66/128 (Greg Davis)
2015 - 72/128 (Greg Davis)
2016 - 121/128 (Greg Davis)
2017 - 117/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2018 - 92/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2019 - 99/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2020 - 88/128 (Brian Ferentz)
2021 - 124/130 (Brian Ferentz)
1999 - ?? (Ken O'Keefe)
2000 - 104/116 (Ken O'Keefe)
2001 - 45/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2002 - 13/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2003 - 92/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2004 - 104/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2005 - 22/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2006 - 27/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2007 - 109/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2008 - 53/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2009 - 89/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2010 - 57/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2011 - 76/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2012 - 117/124 (Greg Davis)
2013 - 84/125 (Greg Davis)
2014 - 66/128 (Greg Davis)
2015 - 72/128 (Greg Davis)
2016 - 121/128 (Greg Davis)
2017 - 117/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2018 - 92/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2019 - 99/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2020 - 88/128 (Brian Ferentz)
2021 - 124/130 (Brian Ferentz)
If we had an awesome offense and terrible defense we'd probably be .500 too.
The offense hasn't been very good lately. Its pretty much impossible to be as bad as last year. On the bright side with the defense that's expected and a marked improvement on offense this team will win alot of games.
Iowa will have an 11 win regular season with those offensive numbers. Ten wins last year with the worst offense Iowa has put on the field in what seems like decades.
Holy shit. Those Brian numbers are ridiculously bad. 88 is his best year. Greg Davis was rightfully fired for basically having the same numbers. It’s year 6. It’s time to do something.
Admittedly, a bit of Bri dislike resides here. Feel like he got a raise and new job when his offense was a miserable failure, and often held Hawks back from better results. Special teams and defense deserved better.
That being said, I am only asking for a B average, not the flabbergasting dud of last year.
My rubric...
a score of at least 4/5 on the metric of "Some sense of inventiveness and lack of predictability." Last year, 1.
A score of at least 4/5 on the metric "Some plays hawk fans haven't seen before." Last year, 1.
4/5 on "OL generally controls line of scrimmage." Last year, 1.
4/5 on "An actual running game which opens up the play-action pass." Last year, 1.
4/5 on "A passing game that is a true threat and gets the opposition off the line of scrimmage." Last year, 1.
Baseline for QB: 60% completions and 3 times as many tds as picks.
Don't think I am asking for much beyond mediocrity. We need it to compete for play offs.
While we're at it, bring back a few "New Kirk" trick plays.
P.S. I don't think I am going to see any of this.
That being said, I am only asking for a B average, not the flabbergasting dud of last year.
My rubric...
a score of at least 4/5 on the metric of "Some sense of inventiveness and lack of predictability." Last year, 1.
A score of at least 4/5 on the metric "Some plays hawk fans haven't seen before." Last year, 1.
4/5 on "OL generally controls line of scrimmage." Last year, 1.
4/5 on "An actual running game which opens up the play-action pass." Last year, 1.
4/5 on "A passing game that is a true threat and gets the opposition off the line of scrimmage." Last year, 1.
Baseline for QB: 60% completions and 3 times as many tds as picks.
Don't think I am asking for much beyond mediocrity. We need it to compete for play offs.
While we're at it, bring back a few "New Kirk" trick plays.
P.S. I don't think I am going to see any of this.
Brian's also had much more offensive talent to work with than Davis did.
Interesting 2006 numbers.
Just sayin".... it takes the whole team.
