I didn’t say anything about Wisconsin, but thanks for stopping by.
Iowa is looking up at both Wisconsin and Nebraska in the standings. Actually the Hawks are looking up at everyone except Illinois.
For those who want Fran fired
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Iowa is looking up at both Wisconsin and Nebraska in the standings. Actually the Hawks are looking up at everyone except Illinois.
Saying that Nebraska has passed us by in Basketball because they beat us is like saying that we have passed by Wisconsin because we beat them.
So, you and 18 other Hawk fans have a memory shorter than your dicks. I realize that you are just trying to be smart ass, but you don't have the tools. Every time we have tried to replace our coach you idiots dream about the great successful name coaches who are fighting to come to Iowa. We ran off Lute whose main issue with Iowa was the fan's unrealistic expectations. We got Tom Davis who was lousy at Stanford and basically lousy at Iowa after Raveling's recruits had gone through the program. We got Alford who was young and still wet behind the ears and just as he was getting his feet set, he was ran off. That got us Licklighter who just may have been our only option and he hired lousy coaches to back up his lousy coaching. We had to more then double Lick's previous salary to get him to come. He knew that he wouldn't last long and he needed the big pay days to make up for it. The players ran him off while we still had idiot fans wanting to give him another year ,or so, because they were in denial about their role in bringing Licklighter to Iowa. And, finally we got Fran, a well respected coach who is one of about a dozen coaches to have taken 4 different teams to the NCAA Tournament. Now we have fools who think coaches are lining up to coach Iowa who reputation is the fans have unrealistic expectations. Yea, right, Gregg Marshall and others are ordering new freezers right now to avoid the rush. The truth is that coaches have listened to other coaches like Bob Knight and they really don't want anything to do with us and, personally, I don't blame them.
How about 0-10, 0-23? Would that be worse, you dumb sh*t drama queen! You need some perspective.
This is complete nonsense. Iowa doesnt change coaches any faster than anywhere else on average.
8 years is not a short amount of time.
Iowa has the worst defensive efficiency of ANY power 5 team.
To act like that isnt a very legitimate issue is BS.
Reading the Minnesota board put things in perspective for me. They have way more advantages and they’ve sucked the whole time fran has been here.
By all means let's fire a very good coach because this year, our defensive efficiency is not very good. You are an idiot!
More name calling but you won't get banned. It's ok for some people to name call on here.
Instead of being all whinny and crying to your mother, try pulling up your big girl panties and telling me why I'm wrong.
Youre wrong dumb**** because Frans record is not that of a "very good" coach.
8 years, below average results.
If he doesn't make the ncaa next year theres no reason to continue with this.
I am under no illusion that Big time coaches are lining up to come here. That does not mean that the current situation is good. We are in year 8. I am not advocating for firing him after this year, but if next year blows?? Now there is no option. Its not good. There were a lot of empty seats last night.
Why would I tell you why your wrong? You've insulted and name called everyone who's disagreed with you in this thread. Can you respond back to me without the insults? Aren't we both hawk fans? I have zero issue having a civil discussion with you but you haven't been civil at all towards me or anyone else who disagrees with you in this thread.
“very good coach”?
Hmmmmmm....
Give us a better idea of your rating system. Which B1G coaches fall below the “very good” rating?
You're worse than I originally thought. I am the type of Hawk fan that likes the players and likes the coaches, well except Bob Commings and Licklighter. It is primarily idiot fans that I have a issue with. When the Hawks lose, I am disappointed as I am sure that the players and coaches are. I don't hate upon them for losing or for not winning by enough points. I don't rag on the players nor do I call for the firing of coaches who are doing their jobs. It is not about me or my inability to control my sensibilities. It is about the fact that I enjoy watching them play, win, lose or draw. My self worth in not determined by how many games the Hawks win. I am a grown up mentally balanced man who doesn't resort to trashing the team that I have loved for decades even through some very thin years.
Fran will get (and should get) the opportunity to get things turned around next year. All the key players return. If they are sitting at 11-12 or 12-12 again next year at this time, a real conversation about the future will be taking place.
Your childish name calling in this thread says otherwise.
For those that want Fran fired I have six words in two sentences. Doctor Thomas Davis. Don't be stupid.
I would hardly qualify Fran's record as below average.
What Fran has done
6 post season appearances
3 NIT, 3 NCAA
2 NCAA Wins
4 NIT Wins
4 20+ seasons
2 Top 3 finishes
Compared to other Iowa Coaches
Alford
6 Post season appearances
3 NIT, 3 NCAA
1 NCAA win
3 NIT wins
3 20+ seasons
0 Top 3 finishes
Lickliter
0 Post season appearances
0 20+ seasons
0 Top 3 finishes
Davis
1st 8 years
6 Post Seasons appearances
5 20+ seasons
6 NCAA wins
2 top 3 finishes
Final 5 years
5 Post Seasons appearances
4 NCAA, 1 NIT
4 NCAA wins
2 NIT wins
5 20+ seasons
2 top 3 finishes
Fran is a better coach than Alford or Lickliter and comparable to Davis in his final years, although Dr. Tom was better. Dr. Tom was fired for being mediocre and since his departure Iowa has failed to reproduce his level of success. Fran has come the closest so far and still may surpass Davis in time. Firing Fran does not guarantee Iowa will be better and odds are Iowa would be worse as two other coaches have had less success than Fran
I don’t think a new coach helps attendance at all. It didn’t with Lick. It went lower, even in year 1 following a hated coach.
Your Top3 implies they were 3rd best team, but that of course was not the case . They did have a 3 way and 4 way tie for 3rd in 2015 and 2016. but the 0-1 in B1G would mean they ended up more like 5th or 6th for final B1G record. You need to include fran's 1-7 record BTT record vs Alford, who had 10 B1G tournaments wins and actually won championships in BTT. The winning percentages in B1G between Alford and Fran is not much and Alford was run off.
If Fran puts up a winning B1G record next year and NCAA tourney appearance, that would shut up most naysayers. That is far from assured because Iowa is 12th/13th/14th in most defensive categories. Are Weiskamp/Connor going to turn around the Iowa defense? Doubtful, Fran needs to improve his defensive approach.
In the interest of candor, I am not a huge personal fan of McCaffery. He strikes me as a kind of abusive horse's ass. Nor do I believe he is a great coach, above average to good I'd say. This team gives every indication of being poorly coached-but that is just this team, not every team in the McCaffery era.
But what makes anyone think we can do better? McC inherited a dead program. The worst talent that any Iowa coach inherited that I can remember coming off the worse season in Iowa history. McC had us in the NIT in year two and the NCAA round of 32 in years four and five.
McC doesn't have Duke or other blue blood connections that allows Iowa to access recruits that would not otherwise give us a look. McC has been pretty good about ending Alford's pirate ship and Lickliter's sinking ship. The kids stay on campus and get better (four consecutive years of four different first team all big ten players). We haven't become transfer U where misfits that can't make it somewhere else can stay eligible for a semester and give us a good season.
The grass is rarely greener.
Dr. Thomas Davis. Don't be stupid.
But what makes anyone think we can do better? McC inherited a dead program. The worst talent that any Iowa coach inherited that I can remember coming off the worse season in Iowa history. McC had us in the NIT in year two and the NCAA round of 32 in years four and five.
McC doesn't have Duke or other blue blood connections that allows Iowa to access recruits that would not otherwise give us a look. McC has been pretty good about ending Alford's pirate ship and Lickliter's sinking ship. The kids stay on campus and get better (four consecutive years of four different first team all big ten players). We haven't become transfer U where misfits that can't make it somewhere else can stay eligible for a semester and give us a good season.
The grass is rarely greener.
Dr. Thomas Davis. Don't be stupid.
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Im fine with Fran getting another year but Tom Davis is more appropriately an example that Iowa could do better.
2 ncaa wins in 8 seasons isnt good, if its 2 in 9, thats enough time in my opinion.
I also thought Dr Tom got beat by Georgia in the opening round of the NIT which lead (in part) to his contract not being renewed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_National_Invitation_Tournament
Yes, but 6 of those 9 NCAA wins and 2 of those top 3 finishes came in his first three seasons when he had Raveling's recruits.Davis's first team was maybe the best team ever at Iowa thanks to Raveling and Davis blew a 16 point half time lead by playing not to lose in the second half of the elite 8 game. The thing is, Davis only once beat a higher ranked team in the NCAA tournament and that was beating a team just one seed higher. Davis's 4th year he place 8th out of 10 losing 14 games and only winning 4. And, in Davis's 8th year he finished 9th out of 11 teams with a 5-13 record. He followed up that gem season with a 7th place finish. Without Raveling's recruits, Davis barely had a .500 record in the Big 10. I can only imagine how well Davis would have done with Lick's recruits or how well McCaffery would have done with Raveling's recruits.
Out of my 6076 or so posts about 5700 were posted before people could indicate that they liked them. But, nice try. Plus , I don't follow the popular notions to get likes. I could not care less about trying to impress the malcontents on this board.Your likes tell the story very well stable genius.
Only in your world.
And last I checked, Nebraska is having a much better overall season than Iowa. Not sure why you are only using a 1 game sample size in your Wisconsin analogy , but whatever.
Nebraska and Iowa seem locked in a battle of which school cares less about basketball. If you consider facilities and program trajectory, Iowa seems to be winning ... meaning iowa cares less.
It’s close though. Neither program will sniff the NCAA tourney this season, and neither AD will care all that much.
B1G schools that certainly would have fired Fran by year 8:
1) Indiana
2) Purdue
3) Illinois
4) Michigan
5) Michigan State
6) Ohio State
7) Wisconsin
8) Maryland
B1G schools that might not have fired Fran by year 8:
1) Rutgers
2) Nebraska
3) Penn State (maybe)
4) Northwestern
5) Minnesota (maybe)
Which group seems like better company?
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Those concerned about likes age is <16.Your likes tell the story very well stable genius.
