For those who want Fran fired

[Myvue]

Yes, but 6 of those 9 NCAA wins and 2 of those top 3 finishes came in his first three seasons when he had Raveling's recruits.Davis's first team was maybe the best team ever at Iowa thanks to Raveling and Davis blew a 16 point half time lead by playing not to lose in the second half of the elite 8 game. The thing is, Davis only once beat a higher ranked team in the NCAA tournament and that was beating a team just one seed higher. Davis's 4th year he place 8th out of 10 losing 14 games and only winning 4. And, in Davis's 8th year he finished 9th out of 11 teams with a 5-13 record. He followed up that gem season with a 7th place finish. Without Raveling's recruits, Davis barely had a .500 record in the Big 10. I can only imagine how well Davis would have done with Lick's recruits or how well McCaffery would have done with Raveling's recruits.

You stopped short of mentioning Davis success in his last three seasons when he finished in a tie for 2nd, 5th and 3rd. If this should be Fran's last season he will have finished in a tie for 3rd, 5th and to be determined but could well be in the double digits.

Fran's Iowa record at Iowa to date (Wikipedia hasn't updated for the last three games) compared to Tom's is

149-113 (.569) with a 67-70 (.489) conference record. Fran

270-139 (.660) with a 126-104 (.548) conference record. Tom

Fran's last two season + this year's final 3rd season yet to be determined compared to Dr. Tom's last three seasons.

53-38 (.582) with a 25-22 (.532) conference record. Fran

62-31 (.667) with a 30-20 (.600) conference record. Dr. Tom.

Dr. Tom's had a much better record but got the door just two seasons removed from his best finish in the Big 10 with a tie for 2nd place Big 10 finish two years prior and a tie for 3rd place finish in his last season with the Hawkeyes.

Comparing winning Big 10 seasons with 9 or more wins.

5 of 8 (.625) Fran

11 of 13 (.846) Dr. Tom

I was curious about the difference in Big 10 tournament win/loss records.

2-7 (.222) Fran with his only wins in the first game of years two and three.

I couldn't find Dr. Tom's record but am remembering even with out the good team he inherited his percentage would be much greater.

 

[IaHawk44]

I beg to differ, our problem is not lack of swagger. We need substance not swagger to compete. Confidence comes from knowing you have practiced and prepared harder than your opponent and you impose your will on them until they succumb to your style of play. If you don't believe me, just go back and watch what Purdue did to us. Substance like hard nosed defense, rebounding, setting screens, taking care of the ball etc, etc.

I see plenty of confidence and swagger in the Ball family.... no thanks.

Purdue also has much more experience together than Iowa does and that's huge.

Williams departure and Iowa's youth have been difficult, but we've seen improvement and their potential is unlimited.

Fans need to be patient and use common sense.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Im fine with Fran getting another year but Tom Davis is more appropriately an example that Iowa could do better.

2 ncaa wins in 8 seasons isnt good, if its 2 in 9, thats enough time in my opinion.

Well, that is one more NCAA win than the previous 11 seasons. I will go this far, next season should tell a lot. The team will be based on juniors and sophs, not sophs and freshmen. This team has a lot of individual talent. It is very reasonable for fans to expect an NCAA bid with a seed higher than 10 and more than 22 wins (barring injury). I'm an optimist and think it will come together and the next couple of seasons will be very successful. If not we may need to gamble with a change.

 

[kceasthawk]

The football program would very easily attract a top tier coach if KF leaves. The BB program is a different story. CHA is old (even with the renovations it's not a top facility), Iowa has tradition but it's more than 20 years since the last FF. Fran has suceeded in attracting top 50 players (not all of them have panned out and some of his other recruits are questionable); other coaches have not had the same success. We don't have the appeal or resources to lure away a top coach from a top program and there's no guarantee another mid-major coach will be any better than Fran. We could just as easily get stuck with another Todd Lickliter. Iowa can't afford to fire a coach for one poor season. You can argue that with Fran has met expectations each year during the regular season (although he hasn't been successful in the post-season).

Watching games this season it's clear that this team is struggling to find confidence and leadership. Players pass up shots and make ill advised passes because they don't trust themselves to make a play. The offense is forced. The defense is lost because there's no communication or leadership. The deficit at the guard position doesn't help as Moss is not consistent and JB is the only serviceable point.

I'd rather let Fran have at least one more year to see what he can do than risk the next coach being another Todd Lickliter. That's how I feel. I know others disagree and want Fran gone now but honestly Fran's success is fairly comparable to the success of Alford, maybe even better considering Alford chocked badly in the tournament. I think that warrants at least another season.

I'm confused, so please give me a hand. Please list the "top 50 players" that Fran has brought in, that haven't worked out????

 

[Hawkeyejay]

Davis's NCAA record was exceptional for that time, but making the NCAA's in today's basketball environment, is not comparing apples to apples. No longer can a team fatten up their schedule on cupcakes and still make that 19 to 20 win threshold as it was in the Davis's era although Fran is still trying to test the waters. Not sure Dr. Toms record getting to the NCAA's and winning the first round game would be the same today as it was 20 years ago. I'm thinking not.

 

[RocknRollface]

Well, that is one more NCAA win than the previous 11 seasons. I will go this far, next season should tell a lot. The team will be based on juniors and sophs, not sophs and freshmen. This team has a lot of individual talent. It is very reasonable for fans to expect an NCAA big with a seed higher than 10 and more than 22 wins (barring injury). I'm an optimist and think it will come together and the next couple of seasons will be very successful. If not we may need to gamble with a change.

We have allot of individually offensive talented players but its hard for me to look at a defensive situation like this one (Fran+players) and think that it can get much better.

The offensive talent we have is scoring plenty of points but its never going to result in wins unless there is a significant change in attitude towards defense.

Tuesday was at least a glimmer of hope. They've finally gotten back to at least looking like they did at the end of last year. Lets just hope next year they don't have to relearn how and why to play defense for the third year in a row. And lets hope this year was the wake up call for everyone involved.

 

[Gabe Sifuentes]

I'm confused, so please give me a hand. Please list the "top 50 players" that Fran has brought in, that haven't worked out????

I said Fran has attracted top 50 players

He has commits from

Weiskamp National Rank #50
P. McCaffrey National Rank #35

And also brought in

T.Dickerson National Rank #13 JUCO
Adam Woodbury National Rank #46

Dickerson did not pan out and transferred. Some would say Woodbury was a bust for not playing to expectations. In fairness I also stated that some of Fran's other recruits were questionable. Recruiting is never an exact science.

 

[83Hawk]

I said Fran has attracted top 50 players

He has commits from

Weiskamp National Rank #50
P. McCaffrey National Rank #35

And also brought in

T.Dickerson National Rank #13 JUCO
Adam Woodbury National Rank #46

Dickerson did not pan out and transferred. Some would say Woodbury was a bust for not playing to expectations. In fairness I also stated that some of Fran's other recruits were questionable. Recruiting is never an exact science.

Woodbury was only a bust to those who don’t know anything about basketball.

 

[Gabe Sifuentes]

Woodbury was only a bust to those who don’t know anything about basketball.

I completely agree with you. I think Fran has recruited some very talented players and many of those players improved from year to year despite what the bandwagon seems to think after this disappointing season. Woody never became a dominant player but he didn't have to be because of the cast that was around him like White and Olesani. Still he made those players around him better.

 

[JoelBittner]

But what makes anyone think we can do better? McC inherited a dead program. The worst talent that any Iowa coach inherited that I can remember coming off the worse season in Iowa history. McC had us in the NIT in year two and the NCAA round of 32 in years four and five.

McC doesn't have Duke or other blue blood connections that allows Iowa to access recruits that would not otherwise give us a look. McC has been pretty good about ending Alford's pirate ship and Lickliter's sinking ship. The kids stay on campus and get better (four consecutive years of four different first team all big ten players). We haven't become transfer U where misfits that can't make it somewhere else can stay eligible for a semester and give us a good season.

The grass is rarely greener.

Dr. Thomas Davis. Don't be stupid.

Because it's been done in the past. It's in your post. Davis was better. And there are others. You've bought into the lil ole iowa talking point. That talking point keeps Iowa on the irrelevant path. Two kinds of fans: those who measure their fandom by being satisfied with Iowa moving backwards. And those who think Iowa can be as good as it was in the last half of the 20th century.

 

[iahawks10]

You stopped short of mentioning Davis success in his last three seasons when he finished in a tie for 2nd, 5th and 3rd. If this should be Fran's last season he will have finished in a tie for 3rd, 5th and to be determined but could well be in the double digits.

Fran's Iowa record at Iowa to date (Wikipedia hasn't updated for the last three games) compared to Tom's is

149-113 (.569) with a 67-70 (.489) conference record. Fran

270-139 (.660) with a 126-104 (.548) conference record. Tom

Fran's last two season + this year's final 3rd season yet to be determined compared to Dr. Tom's last three seasons.

53-38 (.582) with a 25-22 (.532) conference record. Fran

62-31 (.667) with a 30-20 (.600) conference record. Dr. Tom.

Dr. Tom's had a much better record but got the door just two seasons removed from his best finish in the Big 10 with a tie for 2nd place Big 10 finish two years prior and a tie for 3rd place finish in his last season with the Hawkeyes.

Comparing winning Big 10 seasons with 9 or more wins.

5 of 8 (.625) Fran

11 of 13 (.846) Dr. Tom

I was curious about the difference in Big 10 tournament win/loss records.

2-7 (.222) Fran with his only wins in the first game of years two and three.

I couldn't find Dr. Tom's record but am remembering even with out the good team he inherited his percentage would be much greater.

Dr Tom’s BTT record is 0-2

Not greater than FM’s .222

Tied with Todd Lickliter.

 

[mtown66]

You stopped short of mentioning Davis success in his last three seasons when he finished in a tie for 2nd, 5th and 3rd. If this should be Fran's last season he will have finished in a tie for 3rd, 5th and to be determined but could well be in the double digits.

Fran's Iowa record at Iowa to date (Wikipedia hasn't updated for the last three games) compared to Tom's is

149-113 (.569) with a 67-70 (.489) conference record. Fran

270-139 (.660) with a 126-104 (.548) conference record. Tom

Fran's last two season + this year's final 3rd season yet to be determined compared to Dr. Tom's last three seasons.

53-38 (.582) with a 25-22 (.532) conference record. Fran

62-31 (.667) with a 30-20 (.600) conference record. Dr. Tom.

Dr. Tom's had a much better record but got the door just two seasons removed from his best finish in the Big 10 with a tie for 2nd place Big 10 finish two years prior and a tie for 3rd place finish in his last season with the Hawkeyes.

Comparing winning Big 10 seasons with 9 or more wins.

5 of 8 (.625) Fran

11 of 13 (.846) Dr. Tom

I was curious about the difference in Big 10 tournament win/loss records.

2-7 (.222) Fran with his only wins in the first game of years two and three.

I couldn't find Dr. Tom's record but am remembering even with out the good team he inherited his percentage would be much greater.

What effect would you suppose would have been to Davis's record if he had inherited Licklighter's recruits instead of Ravelings and vice versa, if Fran had inherited Raveling's recruits instead of Licklighters? Certainly you can see the absolutely enormous difference . BTW, Dr. Tom never won a BTT game. Davis was 0-2 in the BTT losing by 11 and 14 points. Iowa's BTT record is 15-18 overall with the horrible coach Alford winning 13 and losing only 6 meaning Davis, Lick and Fran are a collective 2-12 and Fran won those two games.

 

[mtown66]

Because it's been done in the past. It's in your post. Davis was better. And there are others. You've bought into the lil ole iowa talking point. That talking point keeps Iowa on the irrelevant path. Two kinds of fans: those who measure their fandom by being satisfied with Iowa moving backwards. And those who think Iowa can be as good as it was in the last half of the 20th century.

Yep, How could anyone deny that a coach who just came off of 2 straight losing seasons and who only had one winning season in his last 4 and who was the coach of a team that was point shaving even though he supposedly did a thorough investigation into the matter himself and , surprise, found nothing, was an upgrade to a coach who had just completed 2 straight winning seasons in the conference, two straight 20 plus win seasons and 2 straight NCAA invites although he had only been on the job for 3 years and had recruited 8 future NBA players waiting for him for year 4 that he was never allowed to coach. I doubt that Davis ever thanked him for that. Keep in mind that Davis's teams failed to reach the NCAA tournament for the last 4 years straight and taken his last two schools to just 2 tournaments in 9 years and his career mark was just two invites in 15 years. Yep that was an improvement. I doubt that there will ever be a definitive answer to what Raveling might have done had he stayed at Iowa. I'm in the boat with those who believe that he would have done better than Davis and I believed that when I first heard that Davis was hired.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Because it's been done in the past. It's in your post. Davis was better. And there are others. You've bought into the lil ole iowa talking point. That talking point keeps Iowa on the irrelevant path. Two kinds of fans: those who measure their fandom by being satisfied with Iowa moving backwards. And those who think Iowa can be as good as it was in the last half of the 20th century.

Those are the only two kinds of fans? There isn't a fan on this board who is satisfied with Iowa moving backwards. Stop being so dramatic. Those that defend Fran, like myself, are only saying we can't fire him this quick. If we have another season like this next year, man, I won't be on here defending him. I realize it's 8 years in, but every program, outside of maybe 5, has ups and downs. Whether it's 4 year, 8 years, 12 years, doesn't matter. These Junior/Senior classes, Fran messed up. Nobody is pretending he didn't. It's showing on the court, but I think he's recovered with the next two classes, and I think going forward, it looks much better than it has recruiting, for quite some time. I do think Fran is a good coach, and I do think he will get things turned around.

 

[Legend12]

Yep, How could anyone deny that a coach who just came off of 2 straight losing seasons and who only had one winning season in his last 4 and who was the coach of a team that was point shaving even though he supposedly did a thorough investigation into the matter himself and , surprise, found nothing, was an upgrade to a coach who had just completed 2 straight winning seasons in the conference, two straight 20 plus win seasons and 2 straight NCAA invites although he had only been on the job for 3 years and had recruited 8 future NBA players waiting for him for year 4 that he was never allowed to coach. I doubt that Davis ever thanked him for that. Keep in mind that Davis's teams failed to reach the NCAA tournament for the last 4 years straight and taken his last two schools to just 2 tournaments in 9 years and his career mark was just two invites in 15 years. Yep that was an improvement. I doubt that there will ever be a definitive answer to what Raveling might have done had he stayed at Iowa. I'm in the boat with those who believe that he would have done better than Davis and I believed that when I first heard that Davis was hired.

"Never allowed to coach"

Wut?

 

[Suterman]

Iowa has had some very successful coaches. Bucky O'Conner, Ralph Miller, Lute Olson & Tom Davis. I know we are 8 years in but the jury is still out on Fran. He still has my support but next year will tell the tale. If we are NIT or worse, Fran will be in deep trouble and should be. I think we are going to be very good the next 2 years but time will tell.

 

[mtown66]

"Never allowed to coach"

Wut?

Now I realize that Raveling ''left on his own'', but just as many Iowa fans were against Steve Alford from the day that he was hired at Iowa because he was from Indiana and would surely go back there and was only using Iowa among a myriad of other issues such as his hair was too good, there were many, perhaps even more, Iowa fans who were against Raveling from the start because of his color. Raveling felt it and he mentioned it. The fans ragged on him because he wore sweatsuits and gym shoes to games. George merely said publicly that he felt like there were too few social opportunities for a black man in Iowa City as his reason for leaving. George showed some class and dignity towards Iowa which was more than many of the fans deserved. Imagine the damage had George said that Iowa was a racist place and not a place that he felt comfortable as a black person. Even today, we have people arguing that we have too many white players. So, yes, he was denied the opportunity to coach for a 4th season. Had he been given the respect as a man that he should have had, he probably would have stayed through the Marble, Horton and B.J. years. And, who are you demeaning with the use of ''Wut?'' instead of using the real word, ''What?''

 

[DodgerHawki]

You stopped short of mentioning Davis success in his last three seasons when he finished in a tie for 2nd, 5th and 3rd. If this should be Fran's last season he will have finished in a tie for 3rd, 5th and to be determined but could well be in the double digits.

Fran's Iowa record at Iowa to date (Wikipedia hasn't updated for the last three games) compared to Tom's is

149-113 (.569) with a 67-70 (.489) conference record. Fran

270-139 (.660) with a 126-104 (.548) conference record. Tom

Fran's last two season + this year's final 3rd season yet to be determined compared to Dr. Tom's last three seasons.

53-38 (.582) with a 25-22 (.532) conference record. Fran

62-31 (.667) with a 30-20 (.600) conference record. Dr. Tom.

Dr. Tom's had a much better record but got the door just two seasons removed from his best finish in the Big 10 with a tie for 2nd place Big 10 finish two years prior and a tie for 3rd place finish in his last season with the Hawkeyes.

Comparing winning Big 10 seasons with 9 or more wins.

5 of 8 (.625) Fran

11 of 13 (.846) Dr. Tom

I was curious about the difference in Big 10 tournament win/loss records.

2-7 (.222) Fran with his only wins in the first game of years two and three.

I couldn't find Dr. Tom's record but am remembering even with out the good team he inherited his percentage would be much greater.

The differences in Fran's and Davis' Big Ten records are largely the same once you take out the first 3 years of the Davis era of BJ, Roy and Eddie. Once that train left, it was never close to being that good gain. He was like 2 games over .500 after those guys left in Big Ten play. Fran inherited a crater, so getting his conference record back close to .500 is nothing to sneeze at.

Every coach has to be evaluated in the context of the situation they inherited and the state of the league. Fran has done okay, got Iowa out of the crater. Can he sustain/continue and trend upward? That is the question that next year likely answers.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Those are the only two kinds of fans? There isn't a fan on this board who is satisfied with Iowa moving backwards. Stop being so dramatic. Those that defend Fran, like myself, are only saying we can't fire him this quick. If we have another season like this next year, man, I won't be on here defending him. I realize it's 8 years in, but every program, outside of maybe 5, has ups and downs. Whether it's 4 year, 8 years, 12 years, doesn't matter. These Junior/Senior classes, Fran messed up. Nobody is pretending he didn't. It's showing on the court, but I think he's recovered with the next two classes, and I think going forward, it looks much better than it has recruiting, for quite some time. I do think Fran is a good coach, and I do think he will get things turned around.

Yes, those of us who think it's reasonable to give Fran more time don't have the "just little old Iowa attitude." One doesn't have to be in just one of two camps. You hit the nail on the head. You just can't recruit as poorly as Fran did with consecutive classes and not have it impact the program. There's a reason why Fran was apparently going after the Georgia Tech job at the end of 2015. He likely knew what the next 2 years would be like, as he saw the players in practice.

 

[kceasthawk]

I said Fran has attracted top 50 players

He has commits from

Weiskamp National Rank #50
P. McCaffrey National Rank #35

And also brought in

T.Dickerson National Rank #13 JUCO
Adam Woodbury National Rank #46

Dickerson did not pan out and transferred. Some would say Woodbury was a bust for not playing to expectations. In fairness I also stated that some of Fran's other recruits were questionable. Recruiting is never an exact science.

Sorry, I guess I'm picking nits if you will. You said he "had recruited" top 50 players, some of who didn't work out. I didn't include the guys who won't be here for a year or two, because we don't know what they'll do at this point and one of them can't even sign a LOI for another year. The only guy I could think of who was on some rating services as a top 50 guy was Woody, and he certainly was not a bust in my book.

 

[CO_hawk]

I'll be patient. Kinda like Fran and think most of the kids on the roster, minus a couple all will be a solid core for the next few years.
Who knows what this off-season will bring, and the way a lot of underclassmen are performing well across the country, we may just have one of those guys next year.

I for one don't like Iowa's chances with another up and coming coach. Chances are they bolt if they succeed or fail and get fired. Fran is almost over the hump, it will take just as long to see if Fran can get over it as it would to find out if a new coach could.

 

[NI hawk]

Iowa has had some very successful coaches. Bucky O'Conner, Ralph Miller, Lute Olson & Tom Davis. I know we are 8 years in but the jury is still out on Fran. He still has my support but next year will tell the tale. If we are NIT or worse, Fran will be in deep trouble and should be. I think we are going to be very good the next 2 years but time will tell.

Hope your right!

 

[GenericHawk]

Your likes tell the story very well stable genius.

I find this very amusing considering that was your first and only post in this thread, and it has zero likes. Compare that to mtown's multiple likes on each of his posts. If you want to play that game, you lost.

 

[HawkLogic]

What effect would you suppose would have been to Davis's record if he had inherited Licklighter's recruits instead of Ravelings and vice versa, if Fran had inherited Raveling's recruits instead of Licklighters? Certainly you can see the absolutely enormous difference . BTW, Dr. Tom never won a BTT game. Davis was 0-2 in the BTT losing by 11 and 14 points. Iowa's BTT record is 15-18 overall with the horrible coach Alford winning 13 and losing only 6 meaning Davis, Lick and Fran are a collective 2-12 and Fran won those two games.

Fran inherited Gatens and already signed Marble-- the depth wasn't there, but two core starters were there that ended up All B1G. 1st Year Brutal for Fran, but Senior Gatens and Sophomore Marble were two key reasons for turn around to NIT in year 2.

What I see in all these comparisons Davis, Alford, Fran...all similar if you throw out Davis' 1st couple years. Just different posters have different agendas. Lickliter is the outlier for stinking.

 

[navyrules]

Purdue also has much more experience together than Iowa does and that's huge.

Williams departure and Iowa's youth have been difficult, but we've seen improvement and their potential is unlimited.

Fans need to be patient and use common sense.

No question that Purdue has much more experience. But my response was addressing that this Iowa teams biggest problem is not lack of swagger as the OP suggested.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

George never said race was an issue in the sense that Iowans were unsupportive or hostile to him because he was black. It grows out of his rare private statements that he wanted to date black women (unsurprising given his age and background) and be in a more urban environment where there would be more black people in general. Its no different than growing up in a mostly white small town Iowa and then moving to Harlem for three years.

Iowans were frustrated because George inherited a ton of talent, missed the tournament year one and then dropped in round one the next two years, including the huge blown lead against Arkansas and the three straight losses to the Clowns. Aside from the occasional fringe nut bag no one in Iowa cared if George was black or white.

 

[mtown66]

Your childish name calling in this thread says otherwise.

I call them like I see them and you and a few other snowflakes are offended so that, somehow, makes me childish?

 

[LGEND24]

Instead of being all whinny and crying to your mother, try pulling up your big girl panties and telling me why I'm wrong.

whiney*

 

[iowa surfer]

Seem

We would have no problem getting a coach. We have already proven we are ready to hand out ridiculously absurd contracts based on very little production. That should be a coaches dream.

Seems so yes.And do not Forget Football too.And there is room for Relatives no? Go Hawks.And D-Line next year superior? Nixon Talented?

 

[83Hawk]

I call them like I see them and you and a few other snowflakes are offended so that, somehow, makes me childish?

Yes, you are. You could engage in a respectful discussion, but instead act like you are superior to everyone else and call anyone who disagrees with you names.

 

[mtown66]

Yes, you are. You could engage in a respectful discussion, but instead act like you are superior to everyone else and call anyone who disagrees with you names.

So, you do understand why I call you names but that still doesn't make me childish. I order for me to have a respectful conversation, I have to be able to respect who I am conversing with and,unfortunately, posters like you and others don't give me that option.

 

[Legend12]

Yes, you are. You could engage in a respectful discussion, but instead act like you are superior to everyone else and call anyone who disagrees with you names.

I concur.

 

[83Hawk]

So, you do understand why I call you names but that still doesn't make me childish. I order for me to have a respectful conversation, I have to be able to respect who I am conversing with and,unfortunately, posters like you and others don't give me that option.

No, I don’t understand why you called me a sissy.

You jumped into this thread by immediately calling people idiots. In fact, you do nothing but call people names who have a different opinion than you.

And you say that doesn’t make you childish????

Whatever. Just because some fans are not happy with Fran and Barta, and do not share your undying love for them, does not make them idiots.

 

[HawkLogic]

George never said race was an issue in the sense that Iowans were unsupportive or hostile to him because he was black. It grows out of his rare private statements that he wanted to date black women (unsurprising given his age and background) and be in a more urban environment where there would be more black people in general. Its no different than growing up in a mostly white small town Iowa and then moving to Harlem for three years.

Iowans were frustrated because George inherited a ton of talent, missed the tournament year one and then dropped in round one the next two years, including the huge blown lead against Arkansas and the three straight losses to the Clowns. Aside from the occasional fringe nut bag no one in Iowa cared if George was black or white.

My recollection is Raveling went to USC and flopped and got out of coaching. He was unpopular because he didn't win a lot of games in his short tenure at Iowa, but man he could recruit. Maybe the biggest mistake was letting him get away,, but I suppose he wouldn't have been able to keep up the Michigan pipeline.

 

[mtown66]

83Hawk said: ↑
Yes, you are. You could engage in a respectful discussion, but instead act like you are superior to everyone else and call anyone who disagrees with you names.

I concur.

Wow, I now know how the pot feels when the kettle calls him black.

 

[mtown66]

No, I don’t understand why you called me a sissy.

You jumped into this thread by immediately calling people idiots. In fact, you do nothing but call people names who have a different opinion than you.

And you say that doesn’t make you childish????

Whatever. Just because some fans are not happy with Fran and Barta, and do not share your undying love for them, does not make them idiots.

True, that does not make them idiots. They were already idiots. You are a sissy because you whine. I call you a sissy because you are upset about being called an idiot or a sissy which proves my point. If you let that bother you than you are a sissy.

 

[83Hawk]

True, that does not make them idiots. They were already idiots. You are a sissy because you whine. I call you a sissy because you are upset about being called an idiot or a sissy which proves my point. If you let that bother you than you are a sissy.

Aaaaaaaand right on cue. Apparently you just can't help yourself.

Not upset at all. Not bothered at all. I'm actually laughing at you. You are so predictable. Even entertaining, in your own way. Not that I suffer fools for long, but you are always good for a chuckle or two until your act becomes tiresome. And your childish tantrums do grow tiresome.

 

[kzoohawk80]

So, you do understand why I call you names but that still doesn't make me childish. I order for me to have a respectful conversation, I have to be able to respect who I am conversing with and,unfortunately, posters like you and others don't give me that option.

It's really sad that you actually believe this is true about yourself. You haven't shown any capacity to respect anyone's opinion that is different then yours in the this thread.

 

[mtown66]

Aaaaaaaand right on cue. Apparently you just can't help yourself.

Not upset at all. Not bothered at all. I'm actually laughing at you. You are so predictable. Even entertaining, in your own way. Not that I suffer fools for long, but you are always good for a chuckle or two until your act becomes tiresome. And your childish tantrums do grow tiresome.

Do you even read what you post? You just keep responding to my responses to you and then you say that I can't help myself? Do you see the irony in what you say? I responded to the trashing of the coach by you and you band of sissies and you sissies take offense to being called idiots and sissies. Oh, it bothers you alright. You make that much perfectly clear. Imagine if you were the coach, you would be homicidal about the same comments that you make about our coaching staff and players.

 

[83Hawk]

Do you even read what you post? You just keep responding to my responses to you and then you say that I can't help myself? Do you see the irony in what you say? I responded to the trashing of the coach by you and you band of sissies and you sissies take offense to being called idiots and sissies. Oh, it bothers you alright. You make that much perfectly clear. Imagine if you were the coach, you would be homicidal about the same comments that you make about our coaching staff and players.

Internet tough guy LOL!

I just keep responding to see if you will ever realize how foolish you look. Apparently not! Too easy!