Does this mean that the Kentucky coach should quit and never coach again since he lost to a 15 seed? Wake up guys this March madness where anything can happen. Illinois won by one point and many teams were pushed to the end by smaller teams. One and done can put a lot of pressure on a team and make them play different than usual.
Fran is done
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There is nothing in title 9 that requires schools to not pay athletes or even that they would have to pay women's teams the same as mens. The language in title 9 is vague in this context and hasn't been tested by a court outside the bounds of a scholarship.
There are also other mechanisms where they can pay, such as media/conference rights agreements directly paying athletes, if a court were to interpret it differently.
This is absurd - outside of game atmosphere in this graphic - coaches in the league are not well informed about any of what they were asked. Iowa does not have the worst recruiting base or the 2nd worst budget/resources in the league. That is laughable, we have actual data where we know that isn't the case.
Wish our players could have taken your advice leading up to the tournament. I'm simply observing. I'm sorry you don't like the information discussed in this thread.
Laughable, compare those coaches accomplishments. I didn't make this thread after simply a bad season or two.
you are comparing Calipari’s 2022 disappointment to Fran McCaffery
I just want to make sure.
I’m comparing the fact that people use a lack of tournament success to advocate for firing Fran….just a few weeks ago that was the B10 tournament was part of that….He hasn’t done sh.. in the B10 tournament, PROOF!…..looks pretty stupid now.
Let’s hear your “actual data”. I keep hearing that Iowa is 5th in the B1G in athletic revenue/spending, but nobody can say how much of that is for basketball and not football.
Recruiting base is clearly near the bottom of the B1G. I’m open to your data of who’s got it worse.
Doesn't make settling for this the correct choice. We are well below the Davis threshold line. Look at Richmond today....
In what way are “we” well below the Davis threshold? Honest question.
I hear ya but it's not apples to apples. If Iowa made a couple sweet 16s but lost to a bad seed, it happens. The problem for Iowa fans is we don't have anything to stand on. Make a couple runs and the upsets don't hurt as much.
Ncaa tournament wins in a similar time frame is one obvious place to start. Ncaa tournament competitiveness is another. I saw those davis teams battle national Champs and comeback against inferior and equal opponents.
NCAA tournament wins from years 3-12 for both coaches (taking out previous coaches recruits):
Davis: 5 wins (5 appearances in 9 years)
Fran: 4 wins (7 appearances in 9 years)
*DNP 2019-20 tournament due to Covid
Looks fairly equal. I don’t know how one is obviously better than the other here.
Lol why you got to take away those years? That doesn't seem very fair. List the teams Davis lost to and when. List the same for Fran. Can't sugar coat that.
Competitiveness:
1991 - lost by 15 in the 2nd rd
1992 - lost by 13 in the 2nd rd
1993 - lost by 6 in the 2nd rd
1996 - lost by 14 in the 2nd rd
1997 - lost by 6 in the 2nd rd
1999 - lost by 10 in sweet 16
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2014 - lost in play in rd by 13 in OT
2015 - lost by 19 in 2nd rd
2016 - lost by 19 in 2nd rd
2019 - lost by 6 in OT 2nd rd
2020 - DNP / Covid
2021 - lost by 15 in 2nd rd
2022 - lost by 4 in 1st rd
Still not seeing the difference in battle here.
And he made Iowa look foolish by going to the Sweet 16 after being fired—and even more foolish when it downgraded to Alford and then Lickliter. It was a dumb decision then and it would be a dumb decision now.
I have been a Hawk fan since the early 70s. Did a single Final Four appearance in 1980 give folks this much of a sense of entitlement?
I’m no longer sold on the B1G is “a much tougher conference.” The NCAA tournament record in recent years suggests otherwise.
Can’t sugar coat it? If you want a fair and honest comparison between Dr Tom and Fran, there’s no way you can honestly get Raveling and Lickliter involved here.
There’s enough body of work for both coaches to remove their predecessors and they’re pretty close in results.
Comparing Keno Davis to two 4* recruits is about the intelligence level I’d expect here.
Apparently so. That and a bunch of people way to young to appreciate the effort this team gave to do what they did this year.
If they weren’t juiced to play in the NCAA tourney after winning the B1G tourney title and everyone predicting them to advance to the final four and seeing the path they had to get there, then I don’t know what would motivate them to beat the crap out of Richmond and Providence.
Hard for me to believe an East coast Liberal like Fran would have applied at Arkansas.
Watching this Richmond game today its pretty unbelievable our coaches were unable to make to proper adjustments.
Who did they lose to and how did they finish? I can't help you see much more than this. Providence 61 Richmond 35
7 wins (counting Indiana) in the first round. 1-0 already in the second. Which league can you name me playing better?
There is no way Northwestern has the third best recruiting base. I know they are in Chicago but they can't really recruit any of the CPS schools. So no.
Yes I understand everything we lost, good programs after 12 years of the same head coach should still not ever be projected that low
I said in the game thread that Providence would beat Richmond by 20. I even bet on Providence and teased the -2.5 to -6. It wasn’t exactly saying anything seeing this play out. It happens every year with first round upset teams getting blown out in the second round. Not exactly unique to Iowa.
If you’re calling out 3 first team All-Americans in a row, it’s fair to point out that the 2020 team didn’t get a shot at any tourney wins.
Did Davis ever lose a first round ncaa tournament game? Has Fran taken ANY team in his 26 years (or whatever) as a head coach to a Sweet 16 or elite eight (Davis did both at Boston College and Iowa, btw)?
Is it me or did the Fran defenders run away after Richmond got stomped by Providence?
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Dr Tom has been a P5 coach for 20 seasons between BC, Stanford, and Iowa. Compared to 12 (11 Covid) to Fran. Imagine how many more deeper runs Dr Tom would have had if his players weren’t point shaving.
Dr Tom had two sweet 16 runs with his own recruits in 20 seasons in multi bid leagues. Only one of those were at Iowa in 13 years. Fran was an OT game from accomplishing that in 11 attempts. I fail to see how that is well below Dr Tom’s results.
Removing both coach’s first three seasons at Iowa as I’m sure we’ll all agree they couldn’t be more opposite as to what they inherited:
Dr Tom (final 10 seasons):
192-115 =.625 / B1G: 89-87 .505
Avg 19.2-11.5 / 8.9-8.7
Fran (last 9 years):
188-112 =.627 / B1G: 94-76 .553
Avg 20.88-12.44 / 10.44-8.44
B1G games: Dr Tom 176 in 10 seasons. Fran 170 in 9.
Before I hear the B1G was so much better back then. Just think that Northwestern won 31 total conference games during Dr Tom’s 13 years here. Iowa played them twice every season. Wisconsin was terrible for all but a couple seasons then too.
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