Toledo lost to Western Michigan and Northern Illinois. Pretty good MAC team, but that's about it. They'd be 3-9, 4-8 just like ISU if they played in the Big12.
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Toledo lost to Western Michigan and Northern Illinois. Pretty good MAC team, but that's about it. They'd be 3-9, 4-8 just like ISU if they played in the Big12.
I believe most of us ISU fans think we would won two maybe three more games in the big 10 per year depending on how the schedule laid out. W. Virginia won 8 games last year, Tech won 7, the other two teams you mentioned won 5 and 6. How many did Maryland and Rutgers win? You are right, its hard to brag when you have lost to UNI, ND State and Toledo. You are also right the Neb, and Wisconsin were not OU or TCU, but the two big 10 schools were also not as good as Baylor or O. St. If either one had been in the big 12, they would have finished I would guess around 5th or 6th. Look the big 10 has some very good teams, Iowa played none of them last year during the regular season, while ISU played all the teams in the big 12. The only bad team we got to play was Kansas, Iowa got to play Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois and Purdue. It does make a difference. How would Iowa like to switch places with Wisconsin this year, and play their schedule? They wouldn't.
They finished higher than Pitt in the Sagarin ratings and received votes in both polls to end the season while Pitt did not.
ISU should have beaten Toledo last year, missed a game winning 32 yd field goal with time running out. It was that type of season, when push came to shove, ISU folded, Iowa on the other hand, made a play or two to win the game. Not sure if its luck or what, but that's what happened. Really ISU could and should have won 5 to 6 games, they just peed down their leg way to often. Good teams do not do that, bad teams do. That is the difference between good and bad teams.
Bad things happen to bad teams. isu has been bad for three years and the schedule isn't to blame.
Yet for isu grads to sleep at night that is exactly what they do.
I will keep asking isu grads a simple question that they have all refused to answer. If SOS is as accurate and meaningful as isu grads claim, when will it translate to teams winning bowl games at a much greater clip over teams with lower ranked SOS?
Must ignore? We will find out soon enough.
LOL, Pitt didn't lose to 2 directional schools...
FYI losing to #9 Iowa, #11 ND, #15 North Carolina and Miami > Western Michigan and Northern Illinois.
One team received votes in both polls, the other did not. Better take it up with the AP and coaches.
The funny thing is, is that Toledo was a coin flip away from losing to ISU and Arkansas....IOWA STATE. Some sad excuse for a school just hired an 8-4 MAC coach.
Don't be stupid, they just like to throw the little guys a bone. ANY P5 team and I mean ANY that lost to WESTERN MICHIGAN and NORTHERN ILLINOIS would not even SNIFF a vote.
Toledo was average at best, but just as good if not better than Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois, or Maryland. They beat Arkansas on the road, I believe the Arkansas coach is one of the coaches that a lot of Iowa fans have been saying should be the next Iowa coach.
And still, the talking heads praised the hire, and wondered if he would not have done better by holding out another year or two. Campbell was impressed with ISU and their support when they visited Ames a couple of years ago. I read where he told his wife, "that if the job ever came open, he would like to have it. " Now that does not mean that he will be anymore successful then the past coaches, but recruiting is up a lot over the coaches that preceded him, so that says something. ISU returns a very good running back, the wide receivers should be fine, the best DL player in the state. There are some pieces there to work with. We will just have to see if he can coach at this level, and no one knows that until he has done it a few seasons. KF won 1 and 3 games at Iowa his first two seasons, give Campbell some time, before we rush to judgement.
You don't have to take my word for it. You know for a fact if Iowa was 10-2 with loses to Western Michigan and Northern Illinois, we wouldn't have sniffed the Top25.
It would have been nice to see if he could of done it a couple of years in a row. But, that's the college football landscape for ya, no time to wait.
Any team that is 10 - 2, from a P5 conference is going to be in the top 25, does not matter who the losses were too. Show us one that wasn't in the past 15 years or so.
Most are going to take the money, what is ISU paying him 2 million a year, for 5 or 6 years? That has got to be 3 if not 4 times what he was making at Toledo. At that salary he is still the 9th or 10th highest paid coach in the Big 12. Its a no brainer decision. If it works out, ISU will gladly raise his salary, or he can jump to a bigger name school, if not, he can always go back to a school like Toledo.
Exaggerating a little, but look how everyone was picking apart our schedule last year. And it was head and shoulders better than Toledo's.
Moot point, because P5 teams don't play Ball St, Kent St, E Mich, W Mich, Umass, N Illinois, C Mich, Bowling Green, ect.
isu doesn't return the best DL in the state. At least not the State of Iowa. That would go to Jaleel Johnson.
Yet Purdue, Illinois and Maryland all played more defense than isu proved they can handle. What makes isu grad think they could have out-scored Purdue, Illinois or Maryland to win those games? The isu offense sucked and that was even against the collective worst defenses for all the P5 conferences.
Everyone picks apart the Iowa schedule because of who the conference set them up with to play. If you look at the big 10 schedule from last year, the best teams both divisions played primarily the weakest teams from the other division. Iowa and Wisconsin both missed playing MSU, Mich. and OSU, Northwestern played Mich and was crushed, MSU played at Nebraska. and lost on a fluke play. It was just a weird year for scheduling the way it worked out. One of the reasons that the conference had so many teams with 10 or more wins was the schedule. It also did not help that you played N. Texas, ISU, and N Ill, the Pitt victory looked great when they were winning, but the also fell apart their last 4 or 5 games. MSU playing and beating Oregon, was a game people could look at and say, "they are a decent team." Iowa had none of those.
The top of teams in the Big 10 in both divisions were very good teams, they just never played the other divisions best teams. The big 12 does not have that problem with a round robin schedule. That is the biggest problem with 14 to 16 teams conferences, the best teams are not playing each other enough. I think most would agree, that a round robin schedule in football and basketball is the best way to go, but with this grand 4 conference 64 teams deal, we are going away from that. When was the last time Iowa played OSU? Iowa has missed the premier team in the league how many times in say, the last 20 years? Its been great for Iowa, but its not good for the image of the league. Look back at 2004, Iowa was undefeated, in league play, but again missed OSU, and they went on to win the National Championship that year. Same thing two years ago when they won it again, Iowa missed playing them. How is it good for the league when the better teams are not playing each other on a regular basis?
Just like your rants regarding 'more fans (eyes) watching in the MAC...' and ' (lowly) Iowa not able to compete with the likes of Michigan and/or MSU' you swing and miss completely once again.
Penn State has been ranked in 2009 (11-2 season); 2008 (again, 11-2); 2007 (9-4), 2006 (9-4); 2005 (11-1); 2002 (9-4). In three of those SIX seasons, the Nits were considered good enough to be top ten with the best being the 2005 team that finished a consensus #3.
Do the math... your "16 years" less my six years ranked does not equal eleven.
Penn State has not been 'very average the last two decades'. Very average teams are not in the final rankings nearly fifty-percent (nine seasons) of the time.
Toledo finished ahead of Pitt by a margin of 0.76 points according to your man Sagarin. Another team named isu finished nearly 7.5 points behind Pitt yet almost won a game at Toledo. Besides, Toledo's SOS (according to the infallible Jeff Sagarin) was only 89th best and we already have heard from all the insecure and overly obsessed isu fans how critically important that is in determining how a team will do.
You really need to take a long break from here because you are only cementing your legacy as 0C with posts such as the one here.
Thanks for confirming Toledo finished ahead of Pitt in the Sagarin ratings.
They also received votes in both the final AP and coaches polls while Pitt did not.
And if you think that anyone here or elsewhere believes the polls to be completely objective and indicative of which team would beat another, then you are worse off than even I first thought.
Thanks are all yours.... could not validate any more totally what a 0C you are.
You call that good all you want.
Iowa had two games last year that would have gotten them respect. They lost both and where a national joke in one of them.
This year they have one game for sure in Michigan and probably the title game. Win one of those and you have something to brag about.
Beating teams that were good five or six years ago doesn't mean anything. Longer in my opinion.
National respect is not a difficult concept for most people. You beat good teams WHEN hey are good.
Please name Iowa's three biggest wins last year without laughing.
A poster implied that Toledo wasn't good and Pitt was. I pointed out they were higher in the Sagarin than Pitt and received votes in both final polls while Pitt did not. I did hear a rumor that head coaches and AP voters secretly love Toledo and hate Pittsburgh though so take it with a grain of salt
AGAIN, if Toledo played #9 Iowa, #11 Notre Dame, #14 North Carolina and Miami and the rest of Pitts schedule what would their record be? Their win @ Syracuse and @ Duke were more impressive wins than any win on Toledo's schedule.
I know you all have to stand up for Toledo now since you'll hired their 8-4 coach.
Wisconsin, Northwestern and Pitt. You seem to be a skirt fan. Got those VHS tapes ready for tonight? You know when the skirts were relevant last?
Since the experts say they're better than Pitt and Pitt went 8-5 last year I'm going to say Toledo would have been 9-4
Some people just insist in removing all doubt about their biases and insecurities. I'm more and more convinced that those whom pegged you as a closet isu fan were right on the mark.
Go ahead and list all of the teams that have been ranked 45% of the time over a two-decade consecutive period of time that were (not "where") deemed not good. I'll hang up and listen.
Your opinion is that Iowa only had two games last year that would have gotten them respect. [You and SC ought to get a room... you could banter for hours and hours.] Fact is that Iowa had very little respect from many going into the season and earned a top ten ranking for playing all of their schedule, not just one or two games.
If it is not difficult, why are you struggling so much with it? Oh, that's right, we are dealing with just one more Iowa hater here. Well, we know that you were dead wrong about there being as many fans in the MAC and we also know that you were wrong about Iowa competing with Michigan and MSU and now you are wrong about Penn State. Give it up.... you only look more and more foolish.
(Stay over on OT with those of your ilk.... at least there you have a half of a chance of getting someone to agree with you.)
If you think that anyone here or elsewhere believes the polls to be completely objective then you are worse off than even I first thought.
I did not imply anything. What I did was point out how isu fit into your little equation. If the shoe fits, then wear it and be so proud because Toledo and Pitt were ranked so close according to guru Sagarin that you could actually flip a coin to determine which was more deserving of the higher place while ole isu was way down at 67th where it was not even a question. Ergo, isu played way over their head in Toledo and was very lucky to even be in the game late.
And to think that a team with a SOS of only 89 could defeat a team from that mighty big xii... what is the world coming to these days?
Let's think about that for a moment instead of trying to utilize it with no real context 0C.
When I posted that above, it was directly speaking to Toledo being ranked at season's end. Toledo was not even the best team in the MAC; that is indisputable because Toledo did not even appear in the MAC championship game and we all recall how the conference championship game always features the only the best (or at least one of the best) from the old big xii days. So how is it that a team not good enough to play in its own CCG is ranked better than the two teams that did play? Toledo received votes primarily because of the game with Arkansas. Period. End of story.
Penn State on the other hand, faced much better opposition, in general, year in and year out. Over the two decade period that the other ranter selected, Penn State was ranked top 25 (not merely receiving votes) on nine occasions. Huge difference.
Think of it in these terms. Some teams achieve nine or more wins in a season and are viewed very differently depending upon their status. For PSU, nine wins afforded them a 25th, a 24th/25th, a 16th/15th, a17th/15th and a 13th/12th ranking during the specified time frame. Toledo got a few votes for beating Arkansas. Almost reminds one of a major college team only finding nine wins once in a modern football era.......hmmmmm?
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