I literally just told you they don’t disappear. Skeletal shape(q angles of femurs) multinucleated muscle cells, don’t just go away.
So first of all, I am not biased against trans people per se. The right wing constantly getting all lathered up by this topic with all of their faux outrage about protecting women is beyond irritating.
You don’t know that. If she has xy with testosterone producing sexual organs, it applies. I feel bad for her, terrible condition to have if it’s the case. Also, @BioHawk was asking for evidence that trans had an advantage. There is one. Femoral angles is another
You are making a choice without evidence. It doesn't matter what you believe. Show the evidence. It shouldn't be this difficult.
Skeletal structure is obvious. See the link I posted about nucleation of muscle cells
The point is we don't know if she has Swyer Syndrome. The whole thing could have been a political disqualification especially since she was only disqualified after she beat the Russian boxer. If she failed the test why was she even allowed to compete at all by the IBA? The IBA refuses to release exactly what test disqualified the 2 boxers.
Does Imane Khelif have XY chromosomes?
IBA Russian president, Umar Kremlev, claimed that DNA test results showed the two athletes have XY chromosomes, citing it as the reason they were disqualified in the world championships. The IBA also cited high levels of testosterone in Khelif's system.
However, the test results were never published and Khelif has never disclosed her biological markers, calling the decision a "big conspiracy." The disqualification came after Khelif defeated Russian boxer Azalia Amineva in the 2023 tournament. IBA said it stripped Lin of a bronze medal because it claimed she failed to meet unspecified eligibility requirements in a biochemical test.
The IOC has long criticized the IBA and its governance of the sport and eventually banned the Russian-run organization in 2019. In a statement Friday, the IOC said it stands by the athletes and their eligibility to compete, noting that the boxing association's own documents say the decision was made unilaterally by the IBA's secretary general.
Those documents also say the IBA went on to resolve at a meeting that it should “establish a clear procedure on gender testing” after it had already disqualified the two fighters.
What is DSD and Swyer syndrome?
DSD stands for differences in sexual development. It can involve genes, hormones and reproductive organs, but it has nothing to do with gender identity. It's false to conflate transgender people with people who were born with DSD, said GLAAD, the world’s largest lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer media advocacy organization.
Some people with DSDs are raised as female but may have sex chromosomes other than XX, or elevated testosterone levels, according to the NIH.
People with Swyer syndrome, according to the National Library of Medicine, have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome in each cell (typically found in boys and men), but they have female reproductive structures. Again, it's not known whether either of the boxers has these genetic variations.
They have both been competing as women from the start.
Fact check on Algerian fighter Imane Khelif, DSDs, biology and Olympic boxing
At the Paris Olympics, Algerian boxer Imane Khelif has become a target for right-wing activists falsely labeling Khelif as transgender.www.usatoday.com
Isn't it sad that she could be a victim of a crooked organization and has now become one of the most hated women in the world due to misinformation? She fought at the Olympics in the past and no one cared, but now we are being manipulated by social media into making this into something it isn't.
Or more info needs to be made available, to end the discussion one way or another. Though, I’m not sure it would end it, based on the Caster guy/girl getting to compete.
People have already made up their minds. Whiskey keeps insisting she has XY chromosomes even though it has been posted that there is no proof of that fact. People see what they want to see. She looks more masculine, but that doesn't mean anything, so do Britney Griner, Abby Wambach, Serena Williams, and many other successful female athletes. If your goal is to protect women's sports then that should include all women even those that don't pass the eye test of what is considered a typical female.
I don’t disagree. I think a chromosome test being made known would end the conversation if she was xx. I think people took the Russian test at face value and ran with it.
I wouldn't trust the test results from the Russian organization. If the test disqualified her from the tournament why was she allowed to box until she was slated to fight for the championship? Wouldn't you think the test results would be needed before the tournament started? What's the point of testing if the results don't come back until the end of the competition? That's like weighing wrestlers and not releasing the weight classes until the final match.
Fine. It's my choice. I don't need more evidence to support my position that men are more physically adept than women and that transitioning isn't an absolute end game but a continuum on a journey that runs the gamut between starting hormone therapy to surgical modification. From a practical perspective there is no way possible to draw a line of demarcation and declare that this person no longer possesses the innate physical advantages that came from being born male. Anybody that argues otherwise is simply ignoring the reality of the situation.
I don't know, she's participating in the Olympics without outrage though.
You just don't understand what evidence is or how science works, evidently.
No, but I wasn't addressing anything you said. I'm not sure what I think of your proposals but at least you are asking for a science based solution.
Yeah, some combination of chromosomal and hormonal component.. ovaries versus testicles
I’ve only been on the side of fairness in sports, bio males shouldn’t compete against women. XY and testicles producing testosterone would make one bio male, even if their penis didn’t develop due to a medical condition. As an example, the lady in the article with tested and testosterone, The distance runner, shouldn’t compete against females
If she indeed has xy chromosomes and male like test levels, it has everything to do
AGAIN - provide ANY evidence she has xy chromosomes.
