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Oh, please do tell who our best wrestler was pre-Cael. I was born 20 minutes from State College and have been going to Rec Hall since I was 5 years old. McCoy, Matter and Prescott were all great, but, they aren't even in the conversation with Nickal, Nolf, Ruth, Zain or Taylor.
Wait, what? Lol.
Kerry McCoy, 2 time NCAA champ and Hodge winner
Or
Are you laughing because you believe he was better at PSU than those I have listed?
McCoy: 150-18
Taylor: 134-3
Ruth: 136-3
Zain: 126-3
Bo: 120-3
Nolf: 117-3
We can do bonus points, but, it won't help the McCoy argument
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Only in the conversation if we talk about his career post-NCAA. At PSU, no, he isn't in the conversation.
Wow caught that one quick, I can honestly say I've never once been to the psy board since (Ahem) I am not a psu fan. Sorry, I had a tickle in my throat. There's a moral to the story but it escapes me at the moment.
All but one of those losses were his true freshman year down at 190. Didn't he have to cut a bunch of weight? Seems like something he was doing for the team. He was a classic tweener and when he moved up to HWY, went 135-1 and won the next 2 of 3 plus the Hodge.
Chief when are you going to stop teaching these guys😂? It seems a little shallow on their part? Then again their mindset is only what has happened in the last 10 years. They have a little dynasty but are from a legacy.
What exactly did he teach me? I love reading Chief's posts. You can't just ignore his first season, as they are part of his career. His career numbers aren't close to the five I listed. If you look at bonus point wins, it's not close. Facts are facts.
David Taylor = 91.2 % bonus rate (2X Champ, 2X Hodge, 4X Finalist)
Jason Nolf = 86.6 % bonus rate (3X Champ, 4X Finalist)
Bo Nickal = 77.1 % bonus rate (3X Champ, Hodge, 4X Finalist)
Ed Ruth = 75.9 % bonus rate (3X Champ)
Zain Retherford = 75.4% bonus rate (3X Champ, 2X Hodge)
Kerry McCoy = 38.1 % bonus rate (2X Champ, Hodge)
McCoy was awesome, but, his college career just doesn't compete with those 5.
I noticed you very quickly focused on only their college results, but when considering who was the better wrestler I would think you could include all of their wrestling accomplishments. McCoy represented America in two Olympic Games. When you total all of the Olympic teams made from Taylor, Zain, Ruth, Bo, and Nolf you get Zero.
McCoy is still PSU ‘s best wrestler all time for the reasons already pointed out by the fellas here. You can piss and moan all you want the only one that is on or close to his level is Taylor, who may indeed pass McCoy up, but for now McCoy is still the best wrestler all time from Psu.
Just as suspected one of you psu guys would come here to make the argument and @IAChief32 and @rcamp67 got to you first, but as I stated most of you have no clue. McCoy is in fact still to this day their best wrestler All Time! If you look past McCoy‘s freshman season Taylor is not even close yet!!! And that could be contributed to guys just being college ready out of the gate Now. Thanks for proving my point!
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Well, I thought you were stating their college careers, so, it was really just a misunderstanding. If you are talking post-college than McCoy is the most impressive, but, it's early in the other's post-college career, so, time will tell.
Seriously, I was just having a discussion, which was a misunderstanding, but, you guys see PSU and attack mode is on.
I hope you aren’t referring to me when you say attack mode is on. I was simply having a discussion about wrestlers accomplishments in their totality. If you view my post as attacking you must think Starocci was an attacking animal in the NCAA finals lol
Given the age difference between McCoy and the others listed, that's not a good comparison.
That would be like saying Spencer hasn't achieved what McCoy has. Give him a few years, and we will likely see him compete in a couple of Olympic games.
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The part you edited/deleted saying all the PSU guys would have had to make an Olympic team at age 14 if they were to make an Olympic team so far.
That's obviously not what you disagreed with. And yes, the age of the athlete, and the timing of the Olympic cycle makes a difference.
Um...that is specifically what I disagreed with and that’s why I said it was an entirely untrue statement. Of course the age of the athlete matters. You stated that 3 of the former PSU wrestlers would have only been 14 the last time they could have qualified. The is the entirety of what I was disagreeing with because it is not true.
I referenced 14 years old because that is the age they would have had to be to already have participated in 2 Olympics -- given their current age and the timing of the Olympic cycles. If an athlete is currently 25 years old, they would have been 20 in 2016 during the last Olympics, 16 years old in 2012 , and 12 in 2008.
The closest argument you could make is that of DT, who is now 30 years old. He is a two-time world champion and is looking for his first Olympic hardware. For comparison, McCoy participated twice in the Olympics, and placed 5th and 7th. So his post-college resume isn't a whole lot different then DT.
Glad he was finally able to make a world team after all of those years of failing to even qualify! Although again we have to acknowledge that his weight class in the US the year he qualified was quite bereft of talent. David struggles quite a bit when wrestling other elite wrestlers such as Burroughs, Dake, Cox, even Bubba Jenkins.
Heck, he could only manage a tie against Burroughs who was wrestling up a weight this year.
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DT is in year 7 of his post college wrestling. Made 1 World Championships. Yes he won it, but he is nowhere near the start of his senior level career. An appropriate argument could be that he is on the backside of his career.
One time world champ, lol. I'd rather have one Sr level world title than 2 Olympic teams with DNP personally.
That has been my conclusion for many years. Everyone is always on DT's nuts about his college career, and yet his most impressive victory was against a Freshman DSJ.
Yes, he won one world championship and he won the world cup twice. And at this point in time, he has missed out on one Olympic team since graduating from college.
Just like a lot of others, he makes a lot of sacrifices to pursue his dream.
