Gotta feel bad for Iowa State today & for their future

[HerkyFan]

I love ISU, all sports in general & the discussion, debate & banter from fans and rivals that come with it.... I apologize to the true, knowledgeable Hawk fans if my posts seem flaming towards you & the Hawk program in general.. they are not - my responses are only reactions to your 2 idiots - Franisdaman & Herkyfan.
No matter what sense you try to speak to them, they can't seem to grasp the idea of a healthy adult conversation backed by facts & intelligent insight. It's like trying to talk with a 6 yr old that says "i know you are but what am I"...repeatedly over and over again.
I know these 2 bungholes don't speak for the 99% rest of you who are good, passionate fans - you're alright in my book.

I tell you what, why don't you take your high horse and prance right over to cry-clown fanatic and call out each and every isu poster flaming Iowa.

You can start with this thread. Good luck, you will be busy.

http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/seemingly-never-ending-iowa-mbb-thread-still-going.213718/

 

[stender72865]

Baylor only dropped from 9 to 11 after losing to Iowa State on Saturday.

What this means: the national media + coaches dont see losing to Iowa State as an upset, especially at Hilton.

Iowa State has elevated their standing across the country to a place of relevance + respect. It has been earned by their play on the court the last 6 seasons. They have a strong chance to finish 2nd in the strongest conference in the country. They have a chance (if they continue to play well, and with good matchups) to go far in the NCAA. Another Sweet 16 run is NOT out of the question.

Again, this thread was started by a Hawk fan in an attempt to rip on ISU during the KU game. Had they waited another 90 minutes, this thread wouldnt have started....maybe.

Although I would rather beat Iowa 100% of the time, I am okay with their loss in December since they are peaking in March, and heading toward another NCAA berth. I would guess Hawk fans would gladly switch roles.

Big game tomorrow. What an amazing Senior class! They will be hard to replace, but new players and new stars will emerge. They always do. 4-5 yrs ago, no one heard of Morris, Thomas, Long, and Burton. I am not worried about ISUs future, and am really enjoying and appreciating this year.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Even I've got to admit, you Cyclone fans are getting owned in this thread!

Probably used to it though after the bball, wrestling, & fball games against Iowa this year.

 

[HerkyFan]

Baylor only dropped from 9 to 11 after losing to Iowa State on Saturday.

What this means: the national media + coaches dont see losing to Iowa State as an upset, especially at Hilton.

Iowa State has elevated their standing across the country to a place of relevance + respect. It has been earned by their play on the court the last 6 seasons. They have a strong chance to finish 2nd in the strongest conference in the country. They have a chance (if they continue to play well, and with good matchups) to go far in the NCAA. Another Sweet 16 run is NOT out of the question.

Again, this thread was started by a Hawk fan in an attempt to rip on ISU during the KU game. Had they waited another 90 minutes, this thread wouldnt have started....maybe.

Although I would rather beat Iowa 100% of the time, I am okay with their loss in December since they are peaking in March, and heading toward another NCAA berth. I would guess Hawk fans would gladly switch roles.

Big game tomorrow. What an amazing Senior class! They will be hard to replace, but new players and new stars will emerge. They always do. 4-5 yrs ago, no one heard of Morris, Thomas, Long, and Burton. I am not worried about ISUs future, and am really enjoying and appreciating this year.

Gee how awesome are Iowa's freshmen going be in a few years then? They smoked all of isu's seniors.

 

[Franisdaman]

I love ISU, all sports in general & the discussion, debate & banter from fans and rivals that come with it.... I apologize to the true, knowledgeable Hawk fans if my posts seem flaming towards you & the Hawk program in general.. they are not - my responses are only reactions to your 2 idiots - Franisdaman & Herkyfan.
No matter what sense you try to speak to them, they can't seem to grasp the idea of a healthy adult conversation backed by facts & intelligent insight. It's like trying to talk with a 6 yr old that says "i know you are but what am I"...repeatedly over and over again.
I know these 2 bungholes don't speak for the 99% rest of you who are good, passionate fans - you're alright in my book.

You love IS-who sports. Great. WE DON'T CARE. That is why we don't spend time on IS-who web sites. CLOWN fans like you on a Hawkeye site says a lot. Here is some intelligent insight: You sound like an extremely boring person and I am guessing IS-who web sites get pretty boring, too, but don't you have anything to talk about on CLOWN sites? If you do, why are you CLOWNS here?

Here is some more intelligent insight: IS-who sucks in football and wrestling, and your men's basketball program has been in descent ever since Freddy left. So, that is why IS-who's future is in question.

The Big 12 conference is a joke when compared to the other the Power 5 conferences. It's a miracle the conference has not disbanded yet. And Big 12 basketball? Here's a FACT FOR YOU. it's a one team conference, Kansas, which has won 13 straight conference championships.

You are a CLOWN. You know it. We know it.

Now, get lost. Your CLOWN site misses your boring contributions.

 

[Franisdaman]

Knowing isu's awesome seniors couldn't beat our freshmen is all about what Iowa and isu's future holds. It really isn't as complicated as isu fans are making this out to be.

Just think a little bit for yourselves.

I never realized IS-who fans were so damn insecure. But the writing's on the wall.

 

[KujawaFan]

This thread should close. It is a joke. The Clones over here are typical little brothers. So sad. You Clowns are having a good year. Why then on Clown Fanatic are there more posts about the Hawks than Clowns? Almost 6K posts on Iowa basketball. Over 5K on Iowa football. Unreal. And Brandon G (Cy Twins) and his buddies circle jerk over whether Texas basketball would be favored over Iowa on a neutral court. So sad. And they apparently don't have a job. It is pathetic.

 

[KujawaFan]

I went over after they beat Baylor that night and more posts about how Jobo Is a short overrated guard. If we ever did that I would come unglued. So stop this post. Let Brandon G from Carroll (Cy Twins) say the rest of how Wadley sucks, the Big sucks on D in football, ISU is our Super Bowl, etc. It is beyond pathetic.

 

[txowan]

You love IS-who sports. Great. WE DON'T CARE. That is why we don't spend time on IS-who web sites. CLOWN fans like you on a Hawkeye site says a lot. Here is some intelligent insight: You sound like an extremely boring person and I am guessing IS-who web sites get pretty boring, too, but don't you have anything to talk about on CLOWN sites? If you do, why are you CLOWNS here?

Here is some more intelligent insight: IS-who sucks in football and wrestling, and your men's basketball program has been in descent ever since Freddy left. So, that is why IS-who's future is in question.

The Big 12 conference is a joke when compared to the other the Power 5 conferences. It's a miracle the conference has not disbanded yet. And Big 12 basketball? Here's a FACT FOR YOU. it's a one team conference, Kansas, which has won 13 straight conference championships.

You are a CLOWN. You know it. We know it.

Now, get lost. Your CLOWN site misses your boring contributions.

LOL! I got a kick out of the definition of "Intelligent " and "fact".

 

[HerkyFan]

Little bro obsessing at 5:10am. Tell us again about how wonderful clown fans act. Makes sense that you keep ignoring threads on cryclown fanatic.

Is that crybaby Jamie Pollard screaming "it's not fair" again?

 

[relishingwinning18]

Seriously, close this thread. Fast fact, did you guys know that no Big12 team has played in the national title game besides KU since 1988. Since that time, Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, OSU, and Wisconsin all have.

 

[Underscore2]

This year's clown meltdown after their NCAA tournament first round "upset" loss will be very enjoyable indeed.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

5 teams have made the final four, or 50% of the conference, same as the Big 10.

Again, it doesn't really effect either ISU or Iowa.

Fast fact, since 2000, the only Big 12 team to NOT make it to the Sweet 16 is TCU. The Big 10 teams to NOT make it there since then is Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa, and Rutgers.

So if you want to draw arbitrary lines we can all do it to make either conference look bad.

 

[CP84]

5 teams have made the final four, or 50% of the conference, same as the Big 10.

Again, it doesn't really effect either ISU or Iowa.

Fast fact, since 2000, the only Big 12 team to NOT make it to the Sweet 16 is TCU. The Big 10 teams to NOT make it there since then is Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa, and Rutgers.

So if you want to draw arbitrary lines we can all do it to make either conference look bad.

Speaking of arbitrary lines. That's a bizarre metric for comparing conferences.

A better metric is to look at total volume.

In the past 5 years the Big 10 has a total of 17 Sweet 16 teams. The Big 12 has only 10. That's not arbitrary or anecdotal. That's raw volume and indisputable.

 

[Legend12]

Seriously, close this thread. Fast fact, did you guys know that no Big12 team has played in the national title game besides KU since 1988. Since that time, Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, OSU, and Wisconsin all have.

Don't.

 

[Kclone]

You love IS-who sports. Great. WE DON'T CARE. That is why we don't spend time on IS-who web sites. CLOWN fans like you on a Hawkeye site says a lot. Here is some intelligent insight: You sound like an extremely boring person and I am guessing IS-who web sites get pretty boring, too, but don't you have anything to talk about on CLOWN sites? If you do, why are you CLOWNS here?

Here is some more intelligent insight: IS-who sucks in football and wrestling, and your men's basketball program has been in descent ever since Freddy left. So, that is why IS-who's future is in question.

The Big 12 conference is a joke when compared to the other the Power 5 conferences. It's a miracle the conference has not disbanded yet. And Big 12 basketball? Here's a FACT FOR YOU. it's a one team conference, Kansas, which has won 13 straight conference championships.

You are a CLOWN. You know it. We know it.

Now, get lost. Your CLOWN site misses your boring contributions.

The Big 12 is a joke LOL. Here is a fact for you, KU has tied for the title for four of those. So they have not won 13 straight out right titles. Even so, so what if KU has won it 13 times in a row, that doesn't equal the rest of the league as being crap. The fact is, it's not crap and there is not a college basketball expert on the planet that would say the Big 12 is crap, just people like you that live in a Big 10 bubble. At least the Big 12 goes round robin, which is harder especially with all of the league power ranked in the top 90. The Big 10 has the advantage of playing unbalanced schedules and a more teams on the bottom, which means some teams only have to play the tough teams once, and maybe that once is just on their home floor. And they get to play up to 4 or so bottom feeders, which if you play them twice and your team is half way decent, you can get at least 6 wins.

As for the ISU vs Iowa thing, I think we would all agree that it is more fun when both schools are good, makes the rivalry a lot more intense, kind of like the Johnny Orr/Tom Davis days or the LE vs Alford era. I think Iowa has a bright future, and so does ISU with 3 four star recruits joining the program next year.

 

[Kclone]

Speaking of arbitrary lines. That's a bizarre metric for comparing conferences.

Should we hold it against the ACC since Boston College and Clemson have been historically mediocre to bad at basketball?

A better metric is to look at total volume.

In the past 5 years the Big 10 has a total of 17 Sweet 16 teams. The Big 12 has only 10. That's not arbitrary or anecdotal. That's raw volume and indisputable.

The Big 10 has more teams, they should get more teams in the tournament and more advance.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

I disagree, total volume is pointless if we're arguing relative strength of the conference, because you're simply disregarding a huge portion of your conference then, but regardless you're simply proving my point. We can all draw arbitrary measurements to make our points. Ultimately it doesn't matter. The Big 12 could go 0-fer the tourney other than ISU and I wouldn't care as long as they made the Sweet 16, which is historically a great season for ISU.

 

[Legend12]

As for the ISU vs Iowa thing, I think we would all agree that it is more fun when both schools are good, makes the rivalry a lot more intense, kind of like the Johnny Orr/Tom Davis days or the LE vs Alford era. I think Iowa has a bright future, and so does ISU with 3 four star recruits joining the program next year.

Johnny Orr. Ugh.

14 years as ISU's head coach.....2 seasons with a winning record in conference play.

And you put up a statue of him.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Baylor only dropped from 9 to 11 after losing to Iowa State on Saturday.

What this means: the national media + coaches dont see losing to Iowa State as an upset, especially at Hilton.

Iowa State has elevated their standing across the country to a place of relevance + respect. It has been earned by their play on the court the last 6 seasons. They have a strong chance to finish 2nd in the strongest conference in the country.

I dispute the contention that the bigxii is the strongest conference in the country.

 

[Kclone]

Johnny Orr. Ugh.

14 years as ISU's head coach.....2 seasons with a winning record in conference play.

And you put up a statue of him.

They only played 14 conference games, and the era of the Big 8 he coached in it was VERY TOUGH. He scheduled a lot of tough non conference games and they won a lot of those. For example, the 1991/1992 team went 5-9 in the league, but beat 3 ranked teams in the non conference, 4 ranked teams in the league, and 8th ranked Missouri in the Big 8 tournament. They went to the second round of the dance. He went the to NCAA tournament in 6 of his last 9 years on the job, could have been more, he stepped down with a team loaded with seniors. Plus he more than likely would have had another tournament bid if Loren Meyer didn't get hit by a train. Most importantly, Orr brought tons of energy and excitement to the program, brought it back from the dead. So the way you framed why we made a statue of him is way off base and you should know that.

 

[Kclone]

I dispute the contention that the bigxii is the strongest conference in the country.

it's probably not, but it is darn good and up there in the top 3.

 

[CP84]

I disagree, total volume is pointless if we're arguing relative strength of the conference, because you're simply disregarding a huge portion of your conference then, but regardless you're simply proving my point. We can all draw arbitrary measurements to make our points. Ultimately it doesn't matter. The Big 12 could go 0-fer the tourney other than ISU and I wouldn't care as long as they made the Sweet 16, which is historically a great season for ISU.

Percentage of conference is a meaningless argument. What value does it bring to essentially cite stats such as Texas was good 10 years ago and terrible now? That doesn't reflect the power of a conference, it just reflects turnover in their power structure.

 

[CP84]

The Big 10 has more teams, they should get more teams in the tournament and more advance.

Tell that to the SEC. You could have a hypothetical conference of 5 averaging 1 sweet 16 team. That wouldn't make it greater than the ACC simply because the percentage of total is higher. That's essentially the premise of your argument. The Big 10 may have more bottom feeders that the Big 12 but they also have an average of 3.4 sweet 16 teams the past 5 years compared to 2.

 

[HerkyFan]

5 teams have made the final four, or 50% of the conference, same as the Big 10.

Again, it doesn't really effect either ISU or Iowa.

Fast fact, since 2000, the only Big 12 team to NOT make it to the Sweet 16 is TCU. The Big 10 teams to NOT make it there since then is Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa, and Rutgers.

So if you want to draw arbitrary lines we can all do it to make either conference look bad.

Clown fans love their selective time frame arguments. They get down right pissy when it is ever used against them.

Why is that?

 

[HerkyFan]

They only played 14 conference games, and the era of the Big 8 he coached in it was VERY TOUGH. He scheduled a lot of tough non conference games and they won a lot of those. For example, the 1991/1992 team went 5-9 in the league, but beat 3 ranked teams in the non conference, 4 ranked teams in the league, and 8th ranked Missouri in the Big 8 tournament. They went to the second round of the dance. He went the to NCAA tournament in 6 of his last 9 years on the job, could have been more, he stepped down with a team loaded with seniors. Plus he more than likely would have had another tournament bid if Loren Meyer didn't get hit by a train. Most importantly, Orr brought tons of energy and excitement to the program, brought it back from the dead. So the way you framed why we made a statue of him is way off base and you should know that.

Yes it shows just how little a coach has to accomplish to be hailed a god at isu.

 

[andy1992]

How about the time frame of the last 6 years. 6 NCAA tourney bids. That is all that matters. I don't care how good Jobo is. They did not make the tourney this year .This thread is about future. With Iowa State now in Reload mode instead of rebuild mode. I like Iowa States future. Plus our coach has shown that he can make our team stronger throughout the year. Unlike Fran (WHo I like BTW)who's teams contantly fade and get worse as the year goes on. So addressing the person who started this thread. You should have waited till the season was over.

 

[83Hawk]

How about the time frame of the last 6 years. 6 NCAA tourney bids. That is all that matters. I don't care how good Jobo is. They did not make the tourney this year .This thread is about future. With Iowa State now in Reload mode instead of rebuild mode. I like Iowa States future. Plus our coach has shown that he can make our team stronger throughout the year. Unlike Fran (WHo I like BTW)who's teams contantly fade and get worse as the year goes on. So addressing the person who started this thread. You should have waited till the season was over.

YAWN Wake me when Iowa State is ever relevant in anything.

 

[HerkyFan]

How about the time frame of the last 6 years. 6 NCAA tourney bids. That is all that matters. I don't care how good Jobo is. They did not make the tourney this year .This thread is about future. With Iowa State now in Reload mode instead of rebuild mode. I like Iowa States future. Plus our coach has shown that he can make our team stronger throughout the year. Unlike Fran (WHo I like BTW)who's teams contantly fade and get worse as the year goes on. So addressing the person who started this thread. You should have waited till the season was over.

Clown fan moves the goal post yet again. Raise you hand if you saw this coming.

78-64.

 

[HerkyFan]

YAWN Wake me when Iowa State is ever relevant in anything.

Hey now, isu is relevant in men's and women's cross country.

 

[KujawaFan]

Shut the thread. We are acting like the little bros. They have 14k posts on Iowa on their message front page. Please stop this. They always have been and will be a little bro and irrelevant. Jeepers Cy Twins and 1976 and Gunner are arguing about whether Iowa would beat Texas on a neutral floor and Cy Twins actually took time to get a point spread. I know they are all unemployed but sad. Stop this thread.

 

[relishingwinning18]

5 teams have made the final four, or 50% of the conference, same as the Big 10.

Again, it doesn't really effect either ISU or Iowa.

Fast fact, since 2000, the only Big 12 team to NOT make it to the Sweet 16 is TCU. The Big 10 teams to NOT make it there since then is Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa, and Rutgers.

So if you want to draw arbitrary lines we can all do it to make either conference look bad.

The big 12 wasn't 10 teams the whole time, and the big 10 wasn't 14 either. LOL. Are you talking 50% of the big 12/big10 teams have made the final four since 1988? Or ever? Iowa, Rutgers, and Minny have all made the final four.

You cut the timeline in half, and changed the argument, so kind of weird and weak. Especially being that Minny and Iowa made it right before your timeline. Nebraska and NW have been terrible in BBall, no excuse there, but Nebraska was a Big12 team forever, including during most of the time your argument is referencing. So is the big ten responsible for all the time Nebraska was playing in the Big12?

I was merely pointing out, a quite shocking stat I heard on the radio yesterday, that in the last 28 NCAA tournaments, only Kansas has made the championship game for the big 12. Pretty shocking for the fans on this board claiming the big 12 is the best conference.

Another shocker, was that the pac12 hasn't had a final four team in like 10 years or something as well.

 

[Legend12]

You cut the timeline in half, and changed the argument, so kind of weird and weak. Especially being that Minny and Iowa made it right before your timeline.

You do see the irony in you pointing this out, right?

 

[David1979]

Seriously, close this thread. Fast fact, did you guys know that no Big12 team has played in the national title game besides KU since 1988. Since that time, Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, OSU, and Wisconsin all have.

Fast Fact: Big Ten hasn't won a national title since 2010.

 

[David1979]

YAWN Wake me when Iowa State is ever relevant in anything.

Wake up. They are relevant in basketball.

 

[andy1992]

Ironic enough. The discussion is basically the same discussion we had when Iowa went 11-1 in football and ISU was the loss. Now it's the other way around. ISU going dancing and Iowa Fans are like "yeah but we beat you"

 

[relishingwinning18]

You do see the irony in you pointing this out, right?

Seems like you need to rehash the word "irony".
I used 28 years and the biggest game in all of college basketball.
ISU fans were arguing in this thread, that the big 12 wasn't just KU and then everyone else. 28 years seemed pretty generous. If I said 9 years, 6 years, or something of that sort, there would definitely be some irony as far as comparing his comment.
Bryce's argument is that the conferences are equal because of sweet 16 percentages the last 16 years? I'm actually not sure what he was trying to argue. It's also hard to use his argument when teams have been going in and out of conferences the last 5 years or so, thus making percentages just a bad comparison. Is he actually using total number of teams in the big10/12 right now, and then saying who hasn't made the sweet sixteen out of all those teams? During his particular timeframe of 16 years, 10 years Nebraska was in the big 12, only 6 in the big 10. Shouldn't Nebraska count against both. Rutgers has only been in the league 3 years, so should they count against us for 16 years? Do we get credit then for Maryland making the sweet 16? So many things going on here.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Ironic enough. The discussion is basically the same discussion we had when Iowa went 11-1 in football and ISU was the loss. Now it's the other way around. ISU going dancing and Iowa Fans are like "yeah but we beat you"

No it's not. Iowa went 9-1 after that game, ISU 4-6. Not even close.

 

[Legend12]

No it's not. Iowa went 7-0 after that game, ISU 4-6. Not even close.

Lol...yeah, that was a terrible analogy.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Lol...yeah, that was a terrible analogy.

Had to change it, we went 9-1.