Gruden OUT

[ThorneStockton]

Urban Meyer is probably taking a sigh of relief.

 

[lucas80]

Keep going, Big Dog. You can do it.

 

[The Tradition]

This. If there is any kind of settlement it's because they both wanted this to go away quickly, and the terms are undoubtedly for a low dollar amount. No way Gruden would get anywhere near what the remainder of his contract is valued at.

My guess is 69 percent.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

He can always get a job as a head coach of a high school soccer team.

 

[JRHawk2003]

I dont think he is getting much. He made 4 million plus over the last 4 years, plus his prior ESPN money. He will disappear. I would. I wouldnt talk to anyone from the NFL again

 

[mnole03]

Or vice versa. Mark Davis? Lol.

 

[strummingram]

I'm going to keep hoping for some kind of implication that forces Dan Snyder to sell the Washington team.

 

[tumorboy]

This one really shocks me. Had no clue at all Jon Gruden is gay. Well I guess it is national coming out day.

 

[sober_teacher]

Shocked a man that played and coaches a man's sport acted like a man even in private email.

It’s strange the sorts of things you’d evidently think men commonly say to each other, even in email. And this wasnt over his private email. They were from his employee email while he was with espn.

 

[FSUTribe76]

No way you survive that in this day and age, nor should he…no excuse for it

Eh, wasn’t it over a decade ago? People change. Maybe he was a POS then but evolved. As long as a convincing heartfelt apology was issued I’d have no issues accepting it.

I’m worried that you think people can’t change.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Jon Gruden and the Raiders both lost a ton of money. Couldn't have been better for this Chiefs fan that has a team that sucks.


#Chucky

 

[Derekd3408]

This one really shocks me. Had no clue at all Jon Gruden is gay. Well I guess it is national coming out day.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

 

[Funky Bunch]

I guess we can't use the 'Sounds like the perfect fit for the Raiders" joke

 

[sober_teacher]

Eh, wasn’t it over a decade ago? People change. Maybe he was a POS then but evolved. As long as a convincing heartfelt apology was issued I’d have no issues accepting it.

I’m worried that you think people can’t change.

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The emails ranged from 2011 to 2018 when he got his job with the Raiders. They weren’t just a decade ago.

 

[OILCHECKER]

Mark Davis cant even afford a decent haircut or toupee so it's doubtful he can afford a payout for Gruden.

 

[alaskanseminole]

NY Times says more emails had him complaining about gays and kneelers and female refs.

can’t survive all of that in this day and age.

his mistake was send his opinions and angry rants via email.

Pretty much.

 

[noleclone2]

People will look back someday and realize he was a true visionary and pioneer of his craft: a full throated MAGA years and years before being MAGA was “cool” and “hip” for the boomers.

He will become a martyr and for sure be on Fox News within a year.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I'm OK with this. Can't say dumb shit and not expect consequences. My question would be, why is someone like Watson still employed? Seems like players get a pass sometimes.

Coaches being the leaders of the team are held to a higher standard.

The other issue I think is that player contracts are harder to get out of than coaching contracts. There doesn't seem to be a morals clause in players contract. I mean the Pats had to take a big hit when they cut Hernandez and he murdered a guy.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Pretty much.

It depends, it seems to me that you can state opinions in a respectful manner. His way of stating them obviously wasn't respectful.

 

[alaskanseminole]

It depends, it seems to me that you can state opinions in a respectful manner. His way of stating them obviously wasn't respectful.

This is true when you're communicating among friends/family, but people in the public spotlight have to tread a little lighter.

We need more of this in this day and age:

Yes, I know this isn't a Chappelle quote. So?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

This is true when you're communicating among friends/family, but people in the public spotlight have to tread a little lighter.

We need more of this in this day and age:

Pretty sure Chappelle didn't say that because I've seen that quote before attributed to other people.

I somewhat agree with the quote but at the same time there needs to be sensitivity to the person even if you disagree with their lifestyle. And that sensitivity needs to extend to even when you arn't talking directly to them.

For example I still believe homosexual acts are a sin (along with many others). But I don't go around homosexuals the f word. In fact if one wants to be compassionate while not compromising their convictions that's pretty much the first rule you have to learn.

So while I agree with the quote in the theoretical sense, a lot of people that use it often use it as an excuse to be the opposite of compassionate.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Pretty sure Chappelle didn't say that because I've seen that quote before attributed to other people.

I thought about posting a disclaimer, but said, "Meh...don't care who said it, I agree with it."

I somewhat agree with the quote but at the same time there needs to be sensitivity to the person even if you disagree with their lifestyle. And that sensitivity needs to extend to even when you arn't talking directly to them.

For example I still believe homosexual acts are a sin (along with many others). But I don't go around homosexuals the f word. In fact if one wants to be compassionate while not compromising their convictions that's pretty much the first rule you have to learn.

So while I agree with the quote in the theoretical sense, a lot of people that use it often use it as an excuse to be the opposite of compassionate.

Well, I certainly didn't post it as an excuse to not be compassionate. I agree with the actual intent of the quote and feel we need a lot more of it.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Nm

 

[noleclone2]

I‘ve always tried to live by the rule “never send an email that you'd be embarrassed to have printed on the front page of your local paper”.

Good advice. Something a lot of people are also bad with that this applies to is texts. People will say some really bad stuff, often trying to be funny, in texts to friends / coworkers that could blow up their career at any point should they come to light. And they are often preserved.

Also on teams / IM chats. There is a story going around my circle about an engineer fired from a prominent firm for making inappropriate Teams comments to his buddy coworker about the looks of a female working for the same client. Problem was, he was on the entire teams meeting chat and not his coworker’s. 😂😂😂

 

[FSUTribe76]

Pretty sure Chappelle didn't say that because I've seen that quote before attributed to other people.

I somewhat agree with the quote but at the same time there needs to be sensitivity to the person even if you disagree with their lifestyle. And that sensitivity needs to extend to even when you arn't talking directly to them.

For example I still believe homosexual acts are a sin (along with many others). But I don't go around homosexuals the f word. In fact if one wants to be compassionate while not compromising their convictions that's pretty much the first rule you have to learn.

So while I agree with the quote in the theoretical sense, a lot of people that use it often use it as an excuse to be the opposite of compassionate.

This is true when you're communicating among friends/family, but people in the public spotlight have to tread a little lighter.

We need more of this in this day and age:

Correct. That’s not a Dave Chappelle quote, it’s a quote from Evangelical preacher Rick Warren. Ie this guy.

So…

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I thought about posting a disclaimer, but said, "Meh...don't care who said it, I agree with it."


Well, I certainly didn't post it as an excuse to not be compassionate. I agree with the actual intent of the quote and feel we need a lot more of it.

I agree with the intent but it's sort of like when people talk about not being offended by things. It's nice in theory but 80% of the time they don't take their own advise and they are saying it right before or right after being an asshole.

It is quote frankly all funny excuses for someone who is INTENTIONALLY trying to be offensive. I mean when you get right down to it, that's the game that's being played. I intentionally try to offend you, to hurt your feelings and then act shocked when my words have their desired effect and tell people they should just not have feelings which is in itself another way to belittle them and infantilize them by telling them they are too emotional.

 

[seminole97]

He was fired for cause. He shared pictures of the Washington Cheerleaders topless.

Proof?

 

[jasonrann]

When the vaunted N.F.L. coach Jon Gruden was confronted with a racist email he had sent in 2011 to insult the head of the players’ union, he said he went too far but didn’t have “a blade of racism” in him.
But league officials as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him have found that Gruden, now the coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes.

He denounced the emergence of women as referees, the drafting of a gay player and the tolerance of players protesting during the playing of the national anthem, according to emails reviewed by The New York Times.
Gruden’s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during “Monday Night Football,” the sports network’s weekly prime-time telecast of N.F.L. games. In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “******” and a “clueless anti football pussy” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.

In numerous emails during a seven-year period ending in early 2018, Gruden criticized Goodell and the league for trying to reduce concussions and said that Eric Reid, a player who had demonstrated during the playing of the national anthem, should be fired. In several instances, Gruden used a homophobic slur to refer to Goodell and offensive language to describe some N.F.L. owners, coaches and journalists who cover the league.
Gruden, Allen, the N.F.L., and the Raiders did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Although not with a team at the time, Gruden was still influential in the league and highly coveted as a coach. He had won a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers following the 2002 season. And in 2018, he was hired for his second stint as the head coach of the Raiders franchise, which includes defensive lineman Carl Nassib, the first active N.F.L. player to publicly declare that he is gay.
The league said last week that it shared emails with the Raiders in which Gruden made derogatory comments.
Gruden told ESPN on Sunday that the league was reviewing emails in which he criticized Goodell, and explained that he had been upset about team owners’ lockout of the players in 2011, when some of the emails were written. Gruden said in that interview that had used an expletive to refer to Goodell and that he did so because he disapproved of Goodell’s emphasis on safety, which he believed was scaring parents into steering their sons away from football.

But Gruden’s behavior was not limited to 2011. Gruden exchanged emails with Allen and other men that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms, including one photo of two Washington team cheerleaders.

Gruden also criticized President Obama during his re-election campaign in 2012, as well as then-vice president Joe Biden, whom Gruden called a “nervous clueless pussy.” He used similar words to describe Goodell and DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the N.F.L. Players Association.

The league is already investigating Gruden as a result of another email he wrote to Allen in 2011 in which he used racist terms to describe Smith, who is Black.

In that email, Gruden, who is white and was working for ESPN at the time, criticized Smith’s intelligence and used a racist trope to describe his face. The correspondence was first reported by The Wall Street Journal and confirmed by The New York Times.

The league, Smith, and Mark Davis, the owner of the Raiders, all denounced Gruden’s comments, but the coach thus far has not been penalized and he coached his team in its game on Sunday against the Chicago Bears. Gruden said Friday that he did not remember sending the email and that his language “went too far,” adding, “I never had a blade of racism in me.”
Gruden's emails to Allen, who was fired by the Washington Football Team at the end of 2019, were reviewed as part of an N.F.L. investigation of workplace misconduct within the franchise that ended this summer. Goodell instructed league executives to look at more than 650,000 emails during the past few months, including those in which Gruden made offensive remarks. Last week, Goodell received a summary of their findings and the league sent the Raiders some of the emails written by Gruden.
In the exchanges, Gruden used his personal email account while Allen wrote from his team account. In some cases, Allen initiated the conversations and Gruden chimed in, while in other cases, they trade vulgar comments several times.

Some of the emails between Gruden and Allen also included businessmen friends, Ed Droste, the co-founder of Hooters; Jim McVay, an executive who has run the Outback Bowl, annually held in Tampa, Fla.; and Nick Reader, the founder of PDQ Restaurants, a Tampa-based fried chicken franchise. The exchanges begin as early as 2010 while Gruden was an analyst for “Monday Night Football.” In 2018, he signed a 10-year, $100 million contract to coach the Raiders.

Droste, McVay, and Reader did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Gruden and Allen are longtime friends and colleagues. Allen was a senior executive with the Raiders from 1995 to 2003, when he worked with Gruden, who was head coach of the team from 1998 to 2001. Gruden became head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002 and beat the Raiders in the Super Bowl that season. Allen became the general manager there in 2004. Allen and Gruden both left the Buccaneers after the 2008 season. While Gruden moved on to a broadcast role with ESPN, Allen became the general manager in Washington in 2010 and later the team’s president.
Taken together, the emails provide an unvarnished look into the clubby culture of one N.F.L. circle of peers, where white male decision makers felt comfortable sharing pornographic images, deriding the league policies, and jocularly sharing homophobic language.
Allen, who is the son of legendary N.F.L. coach George Allen, and Gruden — whose father coached at Notre Dame and whose brother, Jay, was head coach in Washington from 2014 to 2019 — are part of an exclusive network that cycles between N.F.L. teams, networks and companies affiliated with the league.
Their banter flies in the face of the league’s public denouncements of racism and sexism and its promises to be more inclusive amid criticism for not listening to the concerns of Black players, who make up about 70 percent of rosters. The N.F.L. has in the past struggled to discipline personnel who have committed acts of domestic violence and been condemned for failing to adequately address harassment of women, including N.F.L. cheerleaders.
In June, the N.F.L. congratulated Nassib after he became the first active N.F.L. player to publicly declare that he is gay. Goodell said he was “proud of Carl for courageously sharing his truth today. Representation matters.”

Privately, Allen and Gruden appeared to have few boundaries in expressing homophobic and transphobic language. In one email from 2015 that includes Droste, McVay and others, Gruden crudely asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Gruden coached until 2008, to perform oral sex on him. Allen said Glazer would “take you up on that offer.”
Allen and Gruden also mocked Caitlyn Jenner, who received an award from ESPN in 2015 after she transitioned.
In an email from 2015, Allen and Gruden criticized a congressional bill that aimed to force the Washington franchise to change its name, which some Native Americans and others have denounced as a slur. Again using a vulgar term, Gruden took aim at Goodell and his staff even though the commissioner had initially defended the team’s right to keep the name.
In 2017, Droste shared with the group a sexist meme of a female referee to which Gruden replied, “Nice job roger.”
That same year, Gruden was sent a link to an article about N.F.L. players calling on Goodell to support their efforts promoting racial equality and criminal justice reform. Gruden had advice for Goodell:
“He needs to hide in his concussion protocol tent,” he wrote.

I'll take "what is a classless, racist, moronic asshole for $1,000, Alex".

 

[franklinman]

Some ass holes mature with age, others don't, simple.

 

[sober_teacher]

Good advice. Something a lot of people are also bad with that this applies to is texts. People will say some really bad stuff, often trying to be funny, in texts to friends / coworkers that could blow up their career at any point should they come to light. And they are often preserved.

Also on teams / IM chats. There is a story going around my circle about an engineer fired from a prominent firm for making inappropriate Teams comments to his buddy coworker about the looks of a female working for the same client. Problem was, he was on the entire teams meeting chat and not his coworker’s. 😂😂😂

Stuff like this is why I didn’t hate the onetime Twitter ban for players by KF. Wasn’t necessarily the reason he did it, but it also served to protect the players from themselves. Have just seen too many instances of people getting burned by dumb things said in a tweet.

 

[mnole03]

Proof?

The New York Times article said he was in a thread where pictures of Washington cheerleaders wearing only bikini bottoms were shared.

 

[seminole97]

The New York Times article said he was in a thread where pictures of Washington cheerleaders wearing only bikini bottoms were shared.

Meaning unclear. You'll have to pardon me, I was born in St. Louis.

 

[hexumhawk]

Gruden also criticized President Obama during his re-election campaign in 2012, as well as then-vice president Joe Biden, whom Gruden called a “nervous clueless pussy.” He used similar words to describe Goodell and DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the N.F.L. Players Association.

Sounds like he was right about one thing at least...

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Stuff like this is why I didn’t hate the onetime Twitter ban for players by KF. Wasn’t necessarily the reason he did it, but it also served to protect the players from themselves. Have just seen too many instances of people getting burned by dumb things said in a tweet.

Yeah I always thought that was a good idea but I guess it doesn't work anymore and some people felt like they were being silenced.

The only thing I will say is that to some extent there needs to a grace period from before you are 25 or 30 in which we forgive and overlook the stupid things one might post.

 

[sober_teacher]

Yeah I always thought that was a good idea but I guess it doesn't work anymore and some people felt like they were being silenced.

The only thing I will say is that to some extent there needs to a grace period from before you are 25 or 30 in which we forgive and overlook the stupid things one might post.

agreed. I would hope that someone at each of these schools has a social media seminar for each program (honestly, they should do this for all freshmen), and pound home the point to all of them that stuff they say on social media - whether it’s completely fair or not, will stay with them forever.

probabky 95% of stuff kids tweet before 25 like you said I will chalk up to youthful stupidity unless it’s part of a clear pattern.

 

[joelbc1]

Really a good pro football coach...but one of the dumbest phuques walking on the face of this earth.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

1. This wasn't an investigation into Gruden so how can these emails be used against him?
2. Why is anything he said about Biden or Obama even being mentioned? What does that have to do with anything? Will all the bad things many coaches and players have certainly said about Donald Trump be made to seen as "shameful" by the media?
3. We're no longer allowed to criticize females?
4. I think the worst of what he said was about queers, but nothing he said should be a fireable offense. This is getting to be ridiculous.
5. NFL is going down a very slippery slope because I guarantee every single coach, assistant coach, trainer, and NFL owner would be losing their jobs if every single private text, telephone conversation, email, or other form of communication they've had over the last 10 years could be seen and scrutinized.

This is ridiculous and I stand by the first celebrity who refuses to apologize for this. Double down and say he does have lips like Michelin tires and say I don't care if that hurts his feelings and double down on everything else he's said and don't apologize for it. That would be a breath of fresh air and many in this country who are sick of the cancel, self-righteous culture, while they might not agree with what was said in the emails, would appreciate the refusal to bow in front of the mob.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

More emails surface as NFL monitors Jon Gruden situation

More emails from Las Vegas Raiders head coach Jon Gruden emails were forwarded by the NFL to the team after a racially sensitive communication surfaced last week, ESPN reported Monday.

www.reuters.com

Where do you live? Asking for a friend. Like you actual street address.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Pretty sure Chappelle didn't say that because I've seen that quote before attributed to other people.

I somewhat agree with the quote but at the same time there needs to be sensitivity to the person even if you disagree with their lifestyle. And that sensitivity needs to extend to even when you arn't talking directly to them.

For example I still believe homosexual acts are a sin (along with many others). But I don't go around homosexuals the f word. In fact if one wants to be compassionate while not compromising their convictions that's pretty much the first rule you have to learn.

So while I agree with the quote in the theoretical sense, a lot of people that use it often use it as an excuse to be the opposite of compassionate.

F sensitivity.

I should be dead. God people are soft.