Hoiberg proved you can build a winner in lowly Iowa...

[Letsgohawks411]

For all the cryers who always whine saying you just can't bring top talent to the state of Iowa. Bunch of crap and a lousy excuse for persistent mediocrity. Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron. No reason the right person can't build a consistent winner at Iowa.

 

[oakhawk]

Yeah , you can build a program in ames. If you are willing to make compromises and bring in felons.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

For all the cryers who always whine saying you just can't bring top talent to the state of Iowa. Bunch of crap and a lousy excuse for persistent mediocrity. Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron. No reason the right person can't build a consistent winner at Iowa.

Moss- ISU offer
Wagner- Minnesota offer
Flemming- Florida offer
Hutton- Wisconsin offer

Before that have woody and gessel top 100 recruits. His first 3 recruits one was top 150 in ogelsby other 2 ended up first team all big 10 and 6th man of the year. Yep sounds like Fran is recruiting like he is at Akron. Only knock is he has missed on some top tier blue chip recruits but unlike our previous coach who left Iowa as a dumpster fire never went or had a prayer at said recruits. 5 years in Fran has done an excellent restoring the program. But please tell us who you'd prefer over Fran that would do a better job?

Plus Pemsl for 2016 top 150 recruit so off to a good start there.

 

[Myvue]

Yeah , you can build a program in ames. If you are willing to make compromises and bring in felons.

What was the name of that mid to late 20's year old that Iowa recruited that was fresh out of prison? Wasn't that since Fran has been at Iowa?

 

[TheHawkeyeDudeAbides]

ISUcc was never as low in current mens' college BB circles as Iowa was under Todd Lickliter. The day Todd Lickliter's name was spoken as the new MBB HC at Iowa, I had to google his name to find out who the H@LL the guy was. I was not impressed then nor now. Gary Barta should have been fired for that FU. I'd spit in Gary Barta's face if I could for all the mistakes he has made ( and he has made a lot of mistakes) in his tenure as AD at Iowa. Barta needs to go. Period. He is holding this program down.

 

[CanadaHawk]

For all the cryers who always whine saying you just can't bring top talent to the state of Iowa. Bunch of crap and a lousy excuse for persistent mediocrity. Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron. No reason the right person can't build a consistent winner at Iowa.

Pops Harrison, Ralph Miller, Lute Olson: yes, you can build a winner at Iowa. But different eras have different challenges.

 

[icwesthawk]

We need to build up the recruiting, no doubt. Until we really start to get 1 or 2 of the guys we really want a year, we will be a 2nd tier team. I'll take a 2nd tier team over a top team if we are just bringing in questionable guys who either can't stay in school or transfer in for a year. I have not followed ISU that closely to know if any of their guys are bad guys, don't think so. Occasional transfer doesn't bother me but I think we need to build the team thru high school recruiting and we need to get better, like most college teams.

 

[DanL53]

Edit, nah, what's the point? Can't fix stupid.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Yeah , you can build a program in ames. If you are willing to make compromises and bring in felons.

What was the name of that mid to late 20's year old that Iowa recruited that was fresh out of prison? Wasn't that since Fran has been at Iowa?

Notice that in your first paragraph, the word felon is plural, not the second one. Also, in the one instance you reference, the player had spent years after serving time to earn another chance and was vouched for by an old coaching colleague of Fran's. But judging from your mud-slinging, you'd do well as the singular word.

 

[RocknRollface]

Yeah , you can build a program in ames. If you are willing to make compromises and bring in felons.

Hoiberg didnt do those things.

 

[RocknRollface]

For all the cryers who always whine saying you just can't bring top talent to the state of Iowa. Bunch of crap and a lousy excuse for persistent mediocrity. Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron. No reason the right person can't build a consistent winner at Iowa.

No one thinks you can't recruit here.

Worthless post.

 

[hawk-i bob]

LetGoHawks? more like lets see u go....away....stupid.

 

[Myvue]

Notice that in your first paragraph, the word felon is plural, not the second one. Also, in the one instance you reference, the player had spent years after serving time to earn another chance and was vouched for by an old coaching colleague of Fran's. But judging from your mud-slinging, you'd do well as the singular word.

That first paragraph was a quote from oakhawk. Guess I pushed the wrong button and it read as my comment. Whatever. Think what you will. Some of he Cyclone players had been in trouble before but didn't serve prison time that I'm aware of.

 

[Catfish_ Crazy]

Yeah , you can build a program in ames. If you are willing to make compromises and bring in felons.

What was the name of that mid to late 20's year old that Iowa recruited that was fresh out of prison? Wasn't that since Fran has been at Iowa?

Whatever happened to that guy?

 

[icparkerhawk]

Whatever happened to that guy?

Looks like he played a couple years at Morgan State and did pretty well. 10.8 ppg and 6.8 rpg as a senior according to ESPN. For whatever reason MS only has junior year info.

http://www.morganstatebears.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3567

 

[hooper56]

Look Hoiberg deserves credit for the program he guided, but let's be clear, he did not develop players. He brought in what he needed primarily through transfers and cast-offs. He went out and got what he needed he didn't build it. That's ok, there is more than one way to be successful but he very much coached in college with an nba type of mindset.

 

[FSHawkeye87]

There is so much dumb in this thread. OP needs to pay more attention, get smarter, or just go follow another team, because you are embarrassing excuses for Hawkeye fans.

 

[Lone Clone]

For all the cryers who always whine saying you just can't bring top talent to the state of Iowa. Bunch of crap and a lousy excuse for persistent mediocrity. Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron. No reason the right person can't build a consistent winner at Iowa.

Fred was hardly the first to do it. If we only go back 30 years or so, Lute certainly did it, as did Floyd and Eustachy. Before that was Maury John, Ralph Miller.....

 

[StormHawk42]

Is this thread for real?

 

[Lone Clone]

Look Hoiberg deserves credit for the program he guided, but let's be clear, he did not develop players. He brought in what he needed primarily through transfers and cast-offs. He went out and got what he needed he didn't build it. That's ok, there is more than one way to be successful but he very much coached in college with an nba type of mindset.

Ejim? Niang? Long? Morris?

 

[MepoDawg#]

Op says this as if ISU was the first to be successful in Iowa history. Nice troll attempt.

 

[hooper56]

Ejim? Niang? Long? Morris?

Yes LC, 4 players in 5 years, kind of proves my point.

 

[Hawks2405]

Hoiberg has done a phenomenal job at ISU. This is just a bunch of sour grapes. If Fran were doing the same thing here then we would be praising him and loving life. Hoiberg has the ability to make guys play together and he gets the most out of them. He has recruited high school guys and supplements that with the transfers. At this point the transfers are probably reaching out to him given his track record. I for one hope he does leave for the Bulls so we don't have to deal with him anymore.

Recruiting is hard. Think about what Fran had to offer at first. This place was such a hot mess after Lick. We were the laughing stock of the conference and possibly the country. He has a good track record for evaluating talent. Can you imagine if he had not brought in Basabe and Cartwright that first year? We are coming back around and he can sell the NCAA tourney again. I think the future is bright.

The Lick hire should have worked on paper but it didn't in reality. Barta at least pulled the trigger and rectified his mistake. The reason the whole athletic depr should be fired is for treating the entire football fan base as a bunch of criminals with tailgating. I think it's funny that they now want to extend hours and reduce the policing because they know season ticket holders are pulling out. They are getting what they deserve if you ask me. I have seriously never seen a school treat their own fans that way and somehow they got away with it.

 

[1BigGalloot]

For all the cryers who always whine saying you just can't bring top talent to the state of Iowa. Bunch of crap and a lousy excuse for persistent mediocrity. Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron. No reason the right person can't build a consistent winner at Iowa.

There has never been a doubt you can build a consistent winner in the state of Iowa in the sport of basketball, Men's or Women's. In fact, it would be an upset if you can't. Of the four D1 schools, the Drake Men are the only 1 of the 8 programs without an all time winning record.

Of the 14 Men's coaches @ Iowa, Iowa State and UNI since '87, and six Women's coaches since '95, only 4 of the 20 have had losing records, and all are on the Men's side (Iowa Todd Lickliter, ISU Greg McDermott, UNI Eldon Miller and Sam Weaver)

One shouldn't be too harsh on McDermott, as he was the first UNI coach since Norm Stewart, 35 years previous, to have a winning career record at UNI, and he jump started the current more than decade long resurgence.

Records appear below, Men's and Women's, by school, in order by Iowa, Iowa State and UNI.

Iowa Men since 1974, 40 years, 775-508, (.604), conference 360-358 (.501)
Lute Olson, '74-'83, overall 165-93 (.651), conference 91-71, (.562)
George Raveling, '83-86, overall 55-38 (.591), conference 26-28, (481)
Tom Davis, '86-'99, overall 269 - 140 (..658), conference 125-105, (.543)
Steve Alford , ''99-'07, overall 152-106 (.589), conference 61-67, (.477)
Todd Lickliter, '07-'10, overall 38-57 (.400), conference 15-39, (.278)
Fran McCaffery, '10-'15, overall 96-74 (.565), conference 42-48, (.467)

Iowa Women since 1983, 31 years, 657-318, (.673) conference 381-171, (.690)
Vivian Stringer, '83-'95, overall 269-84 (.762), conference 169-45, (.790)
Angie Lee, '95-'00, overall 84-60 (.583), conference 60-30, (.625)
Lisa Bluder, '00 - '15, overall 304-174, (..636), conference 152-96, (.613)

Iowa State Men since 81, 33 years, 612 - 461, (.570), conference 240-296 (.447)
Johnny Orr, '81-'94, overall 218-200, (.522), conference 79-117, (.403)
Tim Floyd, '94-'98, overall 81-47, (.633), conference 30-30, (.500)
Larry Eustachy, '99-'03 overall 101-59, (.631), conference 42-38, (.525)
Wayne Morgan, '04-'06, overall 55-39, (.595), conference 22-26, (.458)
Greg McDermott, '07-10, overall 59-68 (.465), conference 18-46, (.281)
Fred Hoiberg, '10 - present, overall 98-48, (.671), conference 49-39, (.556)

Iowa State Women since '96, 18 years, overall 310-43 (.684), conference 133-89, (.599)
Tim Fennelly '96 to present, overall 310-43 (.684), conference 133-89, (.599)

Northern Iowa Men since '87, 27 years, 481-403, (.544)
Eldon Miller '87-'98, overall 164-178, (.480)
Sam Weaver '99-'01, overall 30-57, (.345)
Greg McDermott '02-'06 overall 90-63, (.588)
Ben Jacobson '07- Present, overall 197-105, (.652)

Northern Iowa Women since '95, 19 years, overall 321- 280, (.534)
Tony DiCecco '95-'07, 183-161 .532
Tanya Warren '07-'15, 138-119 .537

The Drake Men have had just 3 winning seasons since 1987, all in a row from '06-'09, Tom Davis' last year, Keno Davis' only year, and Mark Phelps' first year. The Bulldog Men have a career losing record against all Missouri Valley Conference schools.

The Drake Women can boast 18 winning or .500 records in 22 seasons since '92, among coaches Lisa Bluder, Lisa Stone, Amy Stephens and Jennie Lillis Baranczyk.

Yes, Iowa's Men's all time Big 10 record is a little below .500, and almost exactly .500 beginning with Lute, 40 years ago. The Cyclone Men are well below .500 all time, and Hoiberg's ten games over .500 is the best any ISU coach has ever done.

The 4 Men's programs have been playing basketball for over a hundred years. There isn't a national championship among them. Across all 8 programs there is less than a handful of Final 4's, and only 2 handfuls of Elite 8's in a combined approximate 525 seasons of basketball. Yet, 7 of the 8 have been consistent overall winners, and all 4 Women's programs can boast winning conference records over the last two decades.

Over the course of time, it's obvious, you are what you are, and Iowa has nothing to be ashamed about regarding the state of its college basketball.

A state of 3 million people, predominantly Caucasian, has four D1 basketball schools with damn good arenas that are generally packed for Men's games and do even better than the national average for Women's attendance. Much of the talent is home grown. The list of NBA players from a state Iowa's size is nothing short of remarkable. One will be a starter in the NBA Championship series next week and was the first Pre-Season All American in the history of college basketball to be so named before he ever played a minute. Because he left school after two years, his high school teammate was able to be National Player of the Year in what would have been their joint, senior season. Neither played collegiately in state.

The premise of this initial thread was a rag on attracting top talent to Iowa. A case can be made that if Iowa had just one D1 school, and kept the talent at home, Iowa would be mentioned in the same breath and have a reputation as renowned and as recognized as hoop happy states like Indiana and Kentucky. Imagine a team including Barnes, McDermott, Paige, Tuttle, Woodbury, Uthoff and others. LaFrentz, Hinrich, and Collison almost pulled it off at Kansas. Add Kyle Korver, and they do.

 

[1BigGalloot]

Obviously LaFrentz was 8 years before Collison & Hinrich. Was nearly 2 AM when I typed that 2nd to last sentence. Still, I'd like to think the point was made. From Kevin Kunnert, Bobby Hansen, Matt Bullard, Ryan Bowen, Ricky Davis, Fred Hoiberg, Loren Meyer, LaFrentz, Hinrich, Collison, Korver, Barnes, McDermott, eventually Paige, and I know I'm forgetting some, this small state known for wrestling has produced many a pro player and All Americans.

 

[ft254]

For all the cryers who always whine saying you just can't bring top talent to the state of Iowa. Bunch of crap and a lousy excuse for persistent mediocrity. Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron. No reason the right person can't build a consistent winner at Iowa.

Yeah , you can build a program in ames. If you are willing to make compromises and bring in felons.

 

[cocoem]

There is so much dumb in this thread. OP needs to pay more attention, get smarter, or just go follow another team, because you are embarrassing excuses for Hawkeye fans.

You can not fix stupid and it runs rapid on here most days. Fans wanting to "spit in the face" of Gary Barta? Really? Unless you are playing or have a son or daughter playing for Iowa you have NOTHING invested. No amount of donated money justifies any opinion that is that negative. Want them to win but demanding it with insults and fact-less statements is just plain idiocy.

 

[Lone Clone]

Yes LC, 4 players in 5 years, kind of proves my point.

I just named the ones who were developed into stars. Didn't mention, for instance, Matt Thomas, who has two more years of eligibility and is a solid player. I'd be curious to see a list of comparably developed players by other coaches....and no, I'm not taking a shot at Fran and/or Iowa here. Ejim was conference POY. Niang was first-team all-conference as a junior. Morris was second-team all-conference as a sophomore and may go pro after his junior year.

 

[BBHawk]

ISUcc was never as low in current mens' college BB circles as Iowa was under Todd Lickliter. The day Todd Lickliter's name was spoken as the new MBB HC at Iowa, I had to google his name to find out who the H@LL the guy was. I was not impressed then nor now. Gary Barta should have been fired for that FU. I'd spit in Gary Barta's face if I could for all the mistakes he has made ( and he has made a lot of mistakes) in his tenure as AD at Iowa. Barta needs to go. Period. He is holding this program down.

So you are saying that you had no clue who he was when he was the National Coach of the Year that year and had taken his team (Butler) to 2 Sweet 16s in the 6 years he coached them? Do you even follow college basketball?

 

[doughudd]

He was 2 years old at the time TL was hired.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I just named the ones who were developed into stars. Didn't mention, for instance, Matt Thomas, who has two more years of eligibility and is a solid player. I'd be curious to see a list of comparably developed players by other coaches....and no, I'm not taking a shot at Fran and/or Iowa here. Ejim was conference POY. Niang was first-team all-conference as a junior. Morris was second-team all-conference as a sophomore and may go pro after his junior year.

1 of 4 was long. Give you ejim, Niang and Morris. Naz long not so much

 

[freemanbrenner]

Frans done a realy good job at iowa last time I cheeked iowa went farther than iowa state last ear when I kept seein. Iowa state could go to te final four and beat duke. They looked popular coache vs uab and looked awful at the end of tw game. and those not touted recruits marble is in the nba white will be and olaseni might have a shot. Fran and fred do things differently but fran is a pretty darn good coach. One thing fran and fred have in common is they both see isaiah moss being pretty good in terms of offering him oh an last time I checked he is ago I to be a hawkeye

 

[Legend12]

Frans done a realy good job at iowa last time I cheeked iowa went farther than iowa state last ear when I kept seein. Iowa state could go to te final four and beat duke. They looked popular coache vs uab and looked awful at the end of tw game. and those not touted recruits marble is in the nba white will be and olaseni might have a shot. Fran and fred do things differently but fran is a pretty darn good coach. One thing fran and fred have in common is they both see isaiah moss being pretty good in terms of offering him oh an last time I checked he is ago I to be a hawkeye

Oh. Shit.

 

[DanL53]

Oh. Shit.

Like the rat said to the Lady Elephant. Suffer!!!

 

[Legend12]

Like the rat said to the Lady Elephant. Suffer!!!

I liked your first reply better. lol

 

[DanL53]

I liked your first reply better. lol

I felt guilty for picking on a poster, changed it. Glad you got to see it.

 

[Myvue]

I appreciated the stats you posted Galloot, but found a couple of things I know without checking weren't accurate so would like to post what I believe to be the correct info below.

Bill Fennelly has been the coach of the Iowa State women for 20 seasons starting in 1995.

Iowa State Women since '96, 18 years, overall 310-43 (.684), conference 133-89, (.599)
Iowa State Women since '95, 20 years, overall 434-203 (.681), conference 192-133, (.591)

Tim Fennelly '96 to present, overall 310-43 (.684), conference 133-89, (.599)
Bill Fennelly '95 to present, overall 434-203 (.681), conference 192-133, (.591) Bill would like your percentages better

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Fennelly

I also knew that Fred Hoiberg got his 100th win at ISU before the conference season started so Fred's stats drew my attention as well.

Fred Hoiberg, '10 - present, overall 98-48, (.671), conference 49-39, (.556).
Fred Hoiberg, '10 - present, overall 115-56, (.673), conference 49-39, (.556).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hoiberg

I did not check any of the information on the Iowa women or either of the Drake or UNI teams but I would expect they might be accurate as the stats were for the other Iowa and Iowa State men's coaches.

 

[Myvue]

1 of 4 was long. Give you ejim, Niang and Morris. Naz long not so much

Naz Long played with a hip injury since early in February and has had surgery on both hips this off season. He has made the winning shot in many games in his three year Iowa State career.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Fran still continues to recruit like he's coaching Akron.

yeaaahhhhh, I'm gonna have to um....disagree with you there... yeahh.

I realize I'm replying to an ISU fan with a Hawk handle but will still try to educate you.

Fleming - Billy Donovan
Moss - Fred Hoiberg
Wagner - Minn & Texas tech (b10 & b12 offer)
Hutton - Bo Ryan & Bob Huggins (two sweet sixteen coaches this year)

These new players good enough for these great coaches, good enough for me.

 

[SSG T]

Edit, nah, what's the point? Can't fix stupid.

I felt pretty much the same.