I now have a new hate for Nova fans

[GSleas]

It's still a small sample size. It's not like Jay hasn't had success in the NCAAs before. This is a big year. 3 flameouts in a row and the voices will grow louder, but I'd still take my chances as a high seed with him as a coach over trying to find the next Brad Stevens who can take a 5 or 8 seed to the final four.

People have not been content with the past few years and how they've ended, that's for sure.

 

[iowaathletes]

Until we win the first game all discussions about nova are premature and not needed. Concentrate and win game one.

 

[as024]

so making the NCAA tournament is the goal at Villanova?

No, that is the expectation. The goal is the third weekend. Now I know Jay has not been there in 6 years, and to Iowa fans that is unacceptable, but given that he has 14 tournament wins, a bunch of sweet 16s, an elite 8 and a Final Four, I guess we will have to be content with that.

 

[as024]

Villanova is essentially that judge from Caddyshack. Hey you belong to the country club and sure want to be taken seriously but just aren't that impressive. Jacking your tuition through the sky doesn't make you an Ivy. Iowa is a much better institution than you and you just can't stand the thought. Sure we may be a little like Rodney Dangerfield but try not to scratch our anchor with that little boat of yours.

That's hilarious

Every single student at Villanova could attend Iowa if they wanted. Probably on academic scholarship. You guys are the Rutgers of the Midwest!!!

 

[hawkedoff]

That's hilarious

Every single student at Villanova could attend Iowa if they wanted. Probably on academic scholarship. You guys are the Rutgers of the Midwest!!!

Every single one in every single program. Sure you could junior. Do you also have the stock market beat?

Name one Villanova student that has attended the writers workshop at iowa

 

[hawkedoff]

So how is that college of law doing at nova? Sort of second tier. Good golly I bet our top 20 law school would just take every single one of those students

 

[hawkedoff]

Must suck to be a safety school for the Ivy League applicants and still get your ass kicked by public universities

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

So how is that college of law doing at nova? Sort of second tier. Good golly I bet our top 20 law school would just take every single one of those students

Now, now, No need to take shots at the Evillainova law school. At least they have high enough standards to deny admission to Andrew Kennedy. Too bad the same couldn't be said for their undergraduate programs.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Must suck to be a safety school for the Ivy League applicants

Safety school for Ivy League applicants? Heck, they're a safety school for PSAC applicants. (You may have never heard of the PSAC, but you can figure out who they are. Slippery Rock and that bunch.)

 

[as024]

Must suck to be a safety school for the Ivy League applicants and still get your ass kicked by public universities

What public university in the northeast is better than Villanova? I hope that is a joke. Maine? UMass? UVM? UNH? URI? UConn? The SUNY schools? Rutgers? Penn State? Delaware? All of them are much lower than Villanova when it comes to academic reputation and selectivity.

I don't know much about the Big 10, but I do know that only Michigan and Northwestern are really considered academic powers. The rest have good reputations on the top end, so it's not like I'm comparing them to Temple, but are known to be pretty easy to get into and are primarily a place for local kids to go to school. Doesn't Iowa have an 80+% acceptance rate? Sound to me like it is a Midwest version of Rutgers. I am sure Iowa has a bunch of smart kids at the high end, but they seem to admit any kid from your state who applies.

 

[FatPhilM]

Villanova's law school is pretty good but not up to the same standard as the undergraduate programs. In reality, most law schools are pretty much the same. Even Iowa at number 20 has very similar stats to Villanova who is barely in the top 100, I think. Only a handful are worth traveling to attend. Villanova's emphasis is on undergraduate programs.

 

[gojojo]

Villanova has a low level football program that averages 1,500 fans per game and only friends and family members of the team could actually name any of the players on the team.

Most Villanova students who like football follow the NFL.

The school is 100% basketball focused. Which is great if you don't care about college football and you like college basketball.

For those who are confused by this, if you were a college football fan from the northeast, where would you go to school?
Boston College is great academically in a great location, but they suck at football and are horrible at basketball. They compete from time to time in hoops, but are never going to be a real threat in football
Syracuse is a decent academic school. hoops is great. football has had good teams, but none for many years. Location is terrible
UConn is an average academic school that is great at hoops but horrible at football. Location is horrible.
Rutgers is an average academic school that is horrible at all athletics. Location and campus are complete dumps
Temple is a below average academic school that has been good at hoops at times, but football is beyond words bad. Located in a Philadelphia war zone
Penn State is not really a northeast school. But if you like college football I guess that school would be fine. average academics, but horrible basketball if you are a hoops fan. Location is horrible.

So, as you can see, you are going to have a tough time finding any college students in the northeast who are really passionate about college football

with how much focus you put on college bball you would think it would lead to better results. Kind of a March pretender in Philly, but keep boasting if it makes you feel so great.

 

[hawkedoff]

Villanova is about 7k students at the undergraduate level. I would happily match our top 7k students with your entire enrollment and fee perfectly comfortable that we would come out ahead in most categories including of course a lack of elitist douchbagary

 

[hawkedoff]

And by the way...no. Most law schools are not the same the fact that your law school is so incredibly bad considering the location of your campus is truly embarrassing for you.

 

[hawkedoff]

Isn't this fun? Is hillbillies out in the hinterlands boiling corn and cooking meth and still better than you

 

[PeterN]

Villanova is about 7k students at the undergraduate level. I would happily match our top 7k students with your entire enrollment and fee perfectly comfortable that we would come out ahead in most categories including of course a lack of elitist douchbagary

If "most categories" refers to academic standards you will be sadly disappointed. The issue will not be fully resolved until Villanova's classification is changed to "national university" for the USNews rankings. The change is the result of an increase in doctoral programs. Villanova is expected to be ranked 45-55.

For now you can rely on Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/5/#tab:rank

 

[FatPhilM]

That's convenient that you would like to compare the top 7,000 students. Your top 25 percentile students may be close to the average at Villanova but so what? It is silly to compare overall admissions criteria - it's not even close. Iowa is comparable to Temple academically. That is actually pretty respectable considering your location but don't get carried away. I am pretty sure Iowa ranks behind Rutgers.

I'm not trying to be a dick but you guys seem to want to push the issue. Undergraduate academics is not something that Iowa does better in than Villanova. Which of these schools is not like the others?

https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/compare-colleges#

 

[GSleas]

Let's try to get this back on topic. Who cares who's school is better, we wouldn't be on a message board if we didn't have pride in our school's education and athletics.

Villanova is by most standards in the mid-teens historically as a basketball program. We've been underachieving in the most recent years, but prior to that we've overachieved in March. We have the most wins as a lower seed in tourney history. We don't have massive resources, but we do focus on basketball and for a smaller private school are able to put one of the better products on the floor. Duke is obviously better but can't really think of another who is sure fire better than nova. I'm sure I'm missin one or two.

I grew up a Siena fan because my parents went there. Fran obviously brought them to a great place, so I've got respect for him. He didn't really get as angry back then.

 

[blockm2]

No, that is the expectation. The goal is the third weekend. Now I know Jay has not been there in 6 years, and to Iowa fans that is unacceptable, but given that he has 14 tournament wins, a bunch of sweet 16s, an elite 8 and a Final Four, I guess we will have to be content with that.

again, I'm not an Iowa fan. I merely a Michigan fan that enjoys the reasonable hoops discussion around here. I was responding to the Villanova fan that said if Jay makes the tournament every year he'll never get fired. I thought that seemed a bit of a low bar for a guy that used to go to the Sweet 16 regularly but hasn't been in a long time.

 

[GSleas]

There's gotta be a breaking point for not reaching the second weekend, especially with 1/2 seeds, but I'm not sure how many years it would take. If you are a 1 or 2 seed 8 years in a row and don't make it at all, I guess you have to do something, but it's also hard to imagine ditching someone with such good regular season success. At that point can you say that whatever Jay is doing just has no chance of working. I would guess it starts to hurt recruiting.

For a ten year stretch at nova I would consider the following to be successful:
1 Final Four
2 Elite 8s
4 Sweet 16s
8 Tourney Appearances

His last ten years have done just about that, will be interesting to see what the future holds.

 

[blockm2]

For a ten year stretch at nova I would consider the following to be successful:
1 Final Four
2 Elite 8s
4 Sweet 16s
8 Tourney Appearances

His last ten years have done just about that, will be interesting to see what the future holds.

His last 10 years have done that. What's interesting is that is only the 2nd 10 year stretch in Villanova history that meets those criteria (78-88 is the other...yes i know 11 years).

 

[KittlesFan2.0]

That's why he wouldn't be fired. There is no doubt his teams will make deep runs again. Even the very best coaches have had disappointing tournament runs. Look at Jamie Dixon for a guy who has underachieved in the tournament and keeps his job.

Jay is more than that too. He is very popular because of his personality. He's a good guy and a good coach and he does things the right way.

 

[GSleas]

His last 10 years have done that. What's interesting is that is only the 2nd 10 year stretch in Villanova history that meets those criteria (78-88 is the other...yes i know 11 years).

It was a lean 1990s...my dad went to the ODU game where they beat us in a 3/14 in Albany, and I just remember him saying what a crazy game it was. I was far from Villanova affiliation at that point. Jay earned a lot of breathing room with that final 4. We were 13-19 in 2012, so the fan base was very happy with the turnaround and hasn't been too harsh after the early exits in the recent years. This is a bit of make or break year as far as that good equity goes.

Honestly, during the 13-19 year the big east was smack dab in the middle of breaking up so i was somewhat concerned our best days were behind us. Obviously without football we can never be 100% comfortable, but for us we are in a great spot and landing high seeds with a consistency we haven't seen before. Now we just need to make something out of them.

 

[KittlesFan2.0]

That ODU game was awful. I liked Eric Eberz but he melted under the spotlight. He was something like 0-5 from the floor and 2-5 from the foul line. The whole team struggled but Eric had a putrid day.

Lappas also didn't use Alvin Williams enough. He should have put Alvin, Kittles and Jon Haynes in together. Jay would have easily gotten that team to the final 4.

 

[hawkedoff]

If "most categories" refers to academic standards you will be sadly disappointed. The issue will not be fully resolved until Villanova's classification is changed to "national university" for the USNews rankings. The change is the result of an increase in doctoral programs. Villanova is expected to be ranked 45-55.

For now you can rely on Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/5/#tab:rank

Well get back to me when you are an all grown up university and we can talk. The truth is you aren't that impressive. Keep thumping your chest though about your so very tough admissions and rejection rates. Because that matters.

Graduate programs count smart guy and we have you beat. Research counts. We have you beat. Undergraduate programs? We have you beat. We do more with lower admission standards

 

[as024]

Wait, is somebody really arguing that Iowa is a better school than Villanova? That is hilarious.

Like I said, I'm sure your top students compare favorably to Villanova's student body. But at the size of your student body and a 80% acceptance rate, let's be serious, selectivity and a high end reputation is not what Iowa is known for. Not to say that people can't do well out of Iowa, but you must realize that pretty much every Villanova student could attend Iowa, and probably receive a scholarship, if they wanted to.


This would be like one of us going to the UPenn board and just claiming we are better than them.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

This would be like one of us going to the UPenn board and just claiming we are better than them.

I've seen those claims as well.

 

[ih8iast8]

The real NCAA tournament of importance is happening in NYC starting tomorrow, & Villinova's one-trick-pony athletic program has no wrestlers in it.

 

[as024]

The real NCAA tournament of importance is happening in NYC starting tomorrow, & Villinova's one-trick-pony athletic program has no wrestlers in it.

You like Wrastling?

 

[ih8iast8]

You like Wrastling?

You wouldn't have the balls to show that to a college wrestler.

 

[as024]

Why not? Would they be offended? Do college wrestlers universally dislike South Park? That's a hilarious South Park episode.

Have you ever seen the movie fox catcher?

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Why not? Would they be offended? Do college wrestlers universally dislike South Park? That's a hilarious South Park episode.

Have you ever seen the movie fox catcher?

You shouldn't knock what you don't understand. I've never wrestled before (I'm 6'5 so that may have a lot to do with it) but even I know you have to be pretty bad azz to be a good wrestler. At least in Iowa. Also, many former college wrestlers end up in UFC. Fyi.

Btw, do Nova students watch South Park when they are sampling the fine wine and cheese at their weekend soirees? After a few lines of cola up the schnoz, I'm guessing cartoons are quite hilarious.

 

[BEEFER.]

ANY STATE THAT WOULD ELECT TED CRUZ.....AS THEIR CHOICE SHOULD BE...... REMOVED FROM THE UNITED STATES..........

 

[EZ2BJZ]

ANY STATE THAT WOULD ELECT TED CRUZ.....AS THEIR CHOICE SHOULD BE...... REMOVED FROM THE UNITED STATES...........THOSE BIBLE TOTEN DUDES ARE...PUSSY LICKERS......

 

[as024]

Btw, do Nova students watch South Park when they are sampling the fine wine and cheese at their weekend soirees? After a few lines of cola up the schnoz, I'm guessing cartoons are quite hilarious.

Of course. South Park is great. Throw it on as some background viewing at cocktail hour. Gr8 time.



BEEFER HAS ARRIVED!!!

 

[chillyconcarney]

Apologies for the Nova fans that came on this board just to talk smack. I like to think they are not the ones who actually went to Villanova, but there are jerks everywhere I suppose. Our last game against you guys was a great game, I hope the game this year is similar, with the same result

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Of course. South Park is great. Throw it on as some background viewing at cocktail hour. Gr8 time.



BEEFER HAS ARRIVED!!!

Lol. Glad to know Nova students and alum have an eclectic taste in culture.

And who is BEEFER and why does he have a burr up his or her butt?

 

[Novafan1995]

BEEFER...LOL

 

[RAC14]

Hilarious stuff trolling these corn-fed clowns. Almost feel bad for them as they have a strong chance of not even reaching a game against Nova on Sunday. Iowa hasnt won a game since Jan. Even facing a low, mid-major like Temple they will likely struggle. Both teams coaches are horrid as well. The Iowa-Temple game is basically goning to come down to who sucks less.

 

[DOUG93]

Let's see if you can beat Temple. The rest of this thread means squat.