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While Iowa State has outdrawn Iowa in terms of enrollment in recent years, it hasn't been for the better. I went to high school in the Des Moines-Ames area and not one person in my class who applied into Iowa State got denied, some had a way lower GPA than me (2.7 for reference). I chose Iowa because:
A. The programs I'm interested in were miles ahead of what Iowa State and UNI have.
B. I always felt right at home in Iowa City.
C. I've wanted to be Hawkeye since I was five years old.
(Also the fact I grew up in Cyclone family excluding my dad, who is a lifelong Hawkeye, pushed me away from Iowa State)
Despite all of this, isu is still a very good school. If my kids want to go there, I’ll bite my lip and support them.
 
“ISU fans are definitely better about going to games and cheering though.”

That’s all you needed to say. Exactly my point.
 
Despite all of this, isu is still a very good school. If my kids want to go there, I’ll bite my lip and support them.
Will not argue you there, it is a good school and it is still a top-tier public university. I'd handle that x1,000 times better than if my kids wanted to go to Nebraska or another Big 12 school. ISU is almost the Northwestern of the Big 12 per se.
 
“ISU fans are definitely better about going to games and cheering though.”

That’s all you needed to say. Exactly my point.

You guys are better at booing, that is for certain. It's impossible to watch a game played at Hilton with the sound on. Life's gotta suck when you think everyone, including impartial officials, is always out to get you.
 
You said this earlier "Again Iowa fans have no room to talk about attendance when a team is not consistently winning. Been to Carver Hawkeye lately?". He proved that we just had 15,200 at our latest game despite losing over and over and over. Iowa's earlier games on the year had poor attendance because of the opponent. I was at the Bama St and Southern games, just awful attendance. Our OOC slate was one of the worst I can remember in some time. ISU fans are definitely better about going to games and cheering though.

And most are not going to an 8pm game on a week night. Sunday is the last home game it is 6:30pm on a Sunday evening. talk about terrible time and day.
 
I was at the game so don’t need to watch the video. Weather was rainy all weekend long and there were still over 50k there. Again Iowa fans have no room to talk about attendance when a team is not consistently winning. Been to Carver Hawkeye lately?

50k BS! Lucky if 30k. As I stated I tried getting rid of 2 tickets on stub hub and giving away free and no one and I mean no one wanted them. If my wife were not a graduate would not even have the tickets, and yes she quits going when it gets below like 55 degrees or it is raining or snowing. Awe and it rained all weekend.
 
Graduated from Iowa in 2000, don't ever remember fighting for a seat, even in my largest classes of 1,200-1,500.

I have a very hard time believing that any school of any worth allows enrollment to exceed the seating capacity of the room where the class is being taught. I would highly suspect any administration that allowed that to happen.
 
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You guys are better at booing, that is for certain. It's impossible to watch a game played at Hilton with the sound on. Life's gotta suck when you think everyone, including impartial officials, is always out to get you.

Don’t forget the conference and bowl reps that have it for the clowns. Didn’t they have a petition demanding that is be invited to the Alamo Bowl?
 
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While Iowa State has outdrawn Iowa in terms of enrollment in recent years, it hasn't been for the better. I went to high school in the Des Moines-Ames area and not one person in my class who applied into Iowa State got denied, some had a way lower GPA than me (2.7 for reference).

Iowa accepts 84% of applicants. ISU 87%. Considering they admit thousands more each year that seems trivial.
 
Will not argue you there, it is a good school and it is still a top-tier public university. I'd handle that x1,000 times better than if my kids wanted to go to Nebraska or another Big 12 school. ISU is almost the Northwestern of the Big 12 per se.

LOL, let's not get carried away...the Northwestern of the Big 12
 
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congratulations. You almost had a sellout. Average attendance for the season (14 home games) is 12,071 at Carver for your 15,400 seat arena. Averaging over 3,000 empty seats. ISU has averaged 14,116 at Hilton for the season (14 home games as well) for their 14,400 seat arena.

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/mbb-confldrs.html
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/mbasketball/18MBBStats.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410

I was told there was waaaaaay more demand than tickets at ISU, these numbers can't be right.
 
Holy crap. What?

If true, that doesn't say much for the other schools in the Big 12. I've read that K-State, Okie State, Texas Tech are basically 4-year jucos, but even with the qualifier of "almost" that's a bold statement.
Big 12 schools are not known for academics, I believe that Iowa State and Oklahoma are the only schools in the conference with any form of accreditation
 
Iowa accepts 84% of applicants. ISU 87%. Considering they admit thousands more each year that seems trivial.
I’ve been told that and I’m not sure how believable that is considering the trend in enrollment. I was also told ISU’s is close to 90% which would follow the trend a little more closely, IMO
 
Very well said! I would add that Jamie Pollard and the administration at ISU are far superior to Iowa with respect to being responsive to the concerns expressed by their fanbase. I get the impression that Pollard works his butt off to build his fanbase, improve the gameday experience, etc in response to those who consume the ISU product. At Iowa, the attitude seems to be one of complacency coupled with the expectation that the fan base will always be there no matter what.

Just from an outsider looking in, the iowa AD has for a long time taken your fan base for granted. They don't seem to care about what the fans want and just assume that people will continue to donate and buy tickets. Pollard cannot afford to do that at ISU. No doubt ISU has a loyal fanbase, but the number of diehards that show up no matter what is not enough to fill the stadium and he needs to do everything possible to make gameday the best possible experience.
 
Just from an outsider looking in, the iowa AD has for a long time taken your fan base for granted. They don't seem to care about what the fans want and just assume that people will continue to donate and buy tickets. Pollard cannot afford to do that at ISU. No doubt ISU has a loyal fanbase, but the number of diehards that show up no matter what is not enough to fill the stadium and he needs to do everything possible to make gameday the best possible experience.

Why would Iowa have done all the Kinnick and Carver upgrades if they don’t care about the fan experience? The fact remains that Iowa as far outspent isu on the fan and student athlete experience yet clown fans will never admit it.

Their little bro syndrome would never allow that,
 
I was at the game so don’t need to watch the video. Weather was rainy all weekend long and there were still over 50k there. Again Iowa fans have no room to talk about attendance when a team is not consistently winning. Been to Carver Hawkeye lately?

Yet for those games at Kinnick even with out sell outs 95% of them had an attendance over 61500. Why is that significant it is max capacity of Jack Trice which unless UNI or Iowa is playing hasn't been a sell out minus one other team. I love when ISU fans rip Iowa football attendance when it's down still bring more fans than JT holds. It'd be like Iowa fans mocking Michigan for not filling up the Big House though they still had 80-90K+ fans show.
 
Yet for those games at Kinnick even with out sell outs 95% of them had an attendance over 61500. Why is that significant it is max capacity of Jack Trice which unless UNI or Iowa is playing hasn't been a sell out minus one other team. I love when ISU fans rip Iowa football attendance when it's down still bring more fans than JT holds. It'd be like Iowa fans mocking Michigan for not filling up the Big House though they still had 80-90K+ fans show.

Nope, the little bro syndrome that isu fans suffer from dictates that only % of capacity arguments are valid.
 
Big 12 schools are not known for academics, I believe that Iowa State and Oklahoma are the only schools in the conference with any form of accreditation

Every school you've ever heard of is accredited. If you don't understand the basics of accreditation, perhaps you shouldn't insult the academic levels of major institutions.

Texas is a near-elite school. ISU and Kansas are AAU, but lowly rated within that cohort.

ISU is a lower rated school than every B1G member other than Nebraska. But still a solid school that is rated higher than nearly every B12 school.
 
Every school you've ever heard of is accredited. If you don't understand the basics of accreditation, perhaps you shouldn't insult the academic levels of major institutions.

Texas is a near-elite school. ISU and Kansas are AAU, but lowly rated within that cohort.

ISU is a lower rated school than every B1G member other than Nebraska. But still a solid school that is rated higher than nearly every B12 school.

Every school is regionally accredited. That's like the base level accreditation, if you don't have that you're pretty much months away from closing. It's not by any means a benchmark for excellence. It's a benchmark for existence.
 
All the more reason you should be impressed by 8-5 in season #2 for Campbell. Didn't Ferentz only get 3 wins in season #2 after taking over for the legendary Fry and inheriting an incredible fan base and a perennial top 25 program?

Nice try. The level of talent on the roster in Fry's final years was really bad, so to imply that KF underachieved with a cupboard full of talent is either stupidity or just lying.
 
Nice try. The level of talent on the roster in Fry's final years was really bad, so to imply that KF underachieved with a cupboard full of talent is either stupidity or just lying.
Apparently you missed the sarcasm in my post. Pretty sure many hawk fans actually believe the part of my post you bolded though. Also pretty sure the level of talent that Campbell inherited was probably similar to level of talent Ferentz inherited.
 
The danger for Iowa--apparently embraced by Barta as athletic department fundraiser-in-chief--is pricing too many fans out of the market. By opening the doors to more affordable ticket pricing, ISU is winning new fans and filling seats--growing its fan base. They seem especially focused on young fans ... the future.

My concern is that Barta has taken Iowa's fan base for granted, as if Iowa will always be on top because, well, it's Iowa. Some fans think this way, too, without realizing that Ames' proximity to a fast-growing Des Moines is a huge advantage that could well shift the balance in-state. One could say it's already shifting, and rather rapidly with strong coaching hires, a sturdy and largely successful basketball program, and as a last piece of their long-term growth plan, football. They are being helped immensely by fawning coverage from the Des Moines Register and other central Iowa media outlets. Iowa now plays second fiddle in this regard.

Barta's "don't screw it up" regime lacks imagination and appears to have little by way of strategic planning, outside of revenues and new facilities. This almost singular focus on growing revenues--fan support be damned--has the strong potential of slowly winnowing away base-level fans who cannot afford, or choose not to afford, actual game attendance. Watching TV and listening to radio broadcasts do not really involve much buy-in from a fan support perspective and leave open the chance to flip channels and begin paying more attention to the other in-state program, especially when it does better than your own.

This ISU growth trend is not entirely Barta's fault and may be inevitable, given the shifting dynamics of our state's population and the growing disinterest in liberal arts education (I still recall the rather snobbish "Iowa Culture vs. Iowa State Agriculture" mantra in the build-up to the game that renewed the Iowa-ISU football series; no one really thinks in those terms any more). For instance, ISU has out-enrolled Iowa for a few years now and that trend may not change. Meanwhile, maybe Iowa continues being the "fat cat" athletic department even though it can't sustain historical levels of fan support and can only survive by enjoying the fruits of superior TV revenues. Fine, so long as those revenues continue to be superior and some level of competitive success is enjoyed on the playing field.

But what we've seen lately in terms of poor basketball performance and largely mediocre football performance only opens the door even wider for ISU. The powers that be in Ames are more than ready to fill the gap and essentially, in their view, do to Iowa what Iowa did to them for such a very long time. Little Brother is growing up.
That is an awful lot of ifs and also giving ISU way too much credit IMO. The attendance is good for ISU when the team average or above average and that will not change because as you said 10$ tickets. Selling $10 tickets is not sustainable either if they want to keep up with the Jones'. Iowa higher ticket prices also allow them to compete in the facility arms race and in turn has improved our recruiting efforts the last 2 years, which should in turn improve results on the field. I get what you are saying and do not disagree with you per se, however; what they are doing is not sustainable and kind of sad that I paid more for a state high school basketball game the other day than I would have to pay to go to a D1 P5 football game.
 
That is an awful lot of ifs and also giving ISU way too much credit IMO. The attendance is good for ISU when the team average or above average and that will not change because as you said 10$ tickets. Selling $10 tickets is not sustainable either if they want to keep up with the Jones'. Iowa higher ticket prices also allow them to compete in the facility arms race and in turn has improved our recruiting efforts the last 2 years, which should in turn improve results on the field. I get what you are saying and do not disagree with you per se, however; what they are doing is not sustainable and kind of sad that I paid more for a state high school basketball game the other day than I would have to pay to go to a D1 P5 football game.
What is this $10 ticket myth? Apparently you haven’t read the other posts in this thread outlining ticket prices for ISU. The cheapest entry price for season tickets is $25 per game for the worst seats in the stadium across 8 sections of the corners and part of endzone. Other than student sections, all sections inbetween the end zones are $475 per season ticket. That’s $67 per game. There’s not this huge gap in ticket pricing that you hawk fans keep believing
 
Apparently you missed the sarcasm in my post. Pretty sure many hawk fans actually believe the part of my post you bolded though. Also pretty sure the level of talent that Campbell inherited was probably similar to level of talent Ferentz inherited.

Yeah, right, because ISU fans aren't delusional at all.
 
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Does that include a $100 per seat per game contribution for seats between the 20s? If not, prices are very, very different.

What is this $10 ticket myth? Apparently you haven’t read the other posts in this thread outlining ticket prices for ISU. The cheapest entry price for season tickets is $25 per game for the worst seats in the stadium across 8 sections of the corners and part of endzone. Other than student sections, all sections inbetween the end zones are $475 per season ticket. That’s $67 per game. There’s not this huge gap in ticket pricing that you hawk fans keep believing
 
Does that include a $100 per seat per game contribution for seats between the 20s? If not, prices are very, very different.
Again, this has been covered in this thread already. Seats between the 20s at Jack Trice require a donation of anywhere between $500-$5,000 annually. My 4 season tickets on lower level 25 yard line require $1,000 annual donation. The only seats between the 20s that are at $500 level are high up in top 1/2 of upper deck.
 
They are willing to add on to there stadium.. when Iowa renovates they take seats away.. but at the end of the day they are a $10 ticket where Iowa is a $50 ticket... that's comparing McDonald's to a 5 star steak house.. yeah McDonald's sells a crap load of burgers but the product still sucks
I like McDonalds. Hate ISU!! :)
 
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