She didn’t seem to react to the pepper spray in any way. Not sure the pepper spray hit the mark. Watched the bar video and went ‘uggghh’ watched the entire released video and changed my opinion. Grab the tazer, May get thumped.
Iowa City Police officer on camera hitting handcuffed woman
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First, there are no winners in this. Second, this girl plainly needs counseling and help with substance abuse or she will die. Third, it's not good optics for the police. She weighs all of a 100 pounds. My guess is she doesn't know the front or backend of a Taser. I still think excessive force was used but it is what society is these days. In most jurisdictions, wearing a badge gives you wiggle room for abuse. Cell phones and body cams (when they are umm "on" or not "malfunctioning") have tempered this somewhat but until the incel that is the collaboration between the prosecuting attorneys and police stop, this crap will continue unabated. This type of force usage isn't limited to the US. These things happen abroad also and there are well documented cases in India and Australia. Sad for the girl, pathetic for the cop who wants to be a real man.
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Hmmm...upon second viewing and watching her throw her drunk kicking fit in the back of the car - yes you did!
"I am literally legal!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!"
She’s lucky she didn’t receive worse treatment. Her worst injuries were likely self inflicted. I thought the officers showed exceptional restraint in dealing with her. And to those who question why it required so much effort to get her in the car, you’ve clearly never dealt with a cat who doesn’t want to go to the vet’s office.
I don't disagree with everything you posted here.
I would not however use this video as evidence to try and make these points.
There's lots of other inside evidence that I have, not on this case, which is credible (and which I cannot post), that would make you cringe. Oddly enough, my former neighbor, now passed, was a ICPD officer and in essence, my second dad. I had asked him once, in his nearly 30 years of service, how many times he had either used force or deployed his weapon. His answer was once. You can argue that Iowa City was different from 1970 to 1997 but I would also say that cops were held to a higher standard. The training that is done now is insufficient to deal with stressful situations, not to mention that due to shortages, pretty much anyone can apply to be a police officer even if they are mentally unfit.
LOL! I thought the same thing.
I was a bartender at a meat market bar at Iowa - had to occasionally help the bounce staff remove people. I think people underestimate how hard it can be to restrain and remove a completely out of control person (man or woman). Granted, we didn't have police level training and it was mostly a brute force thing - but out of control, flailing, kicking, and swinging angry drunks are extremely dangerous and strong. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing.
The pepper spray malfunctioned - So, she didn't actually get any pepper spray.....
Sure, there are countless examples over time. Hell, I was at Iowa while Sid Jackson was cleaning up the mean streets of the ped mall.
Just saying, this situation would not be an example I'd hold up to make my points for IC policing reform.
Edit to add: Man, what a legend old Sid was. Here's my favorite quote about him from the article in the DI after he got canned for OWI. 14 years before his first promotion...but then demoted. Guy loved cracking skulls on College St. though!
"Jackson had been with Iowa City police since 1982, and he received his first promotion in 1996. He was a lieutenant in the investigations unit, though he was later demoted to sergeant. Hargadine declined to comment on the reason.
Until his resignation, Jackson was one of two officers assigned to late-night patrol."
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Well they do have video evidence to back everything up. So..yes.
You and I must be of a similar age haha. Thankfully, no bouncer tossed me out.
Yeah, but did you ever puke in the bathroom? God damn dirty, disgusting college kids...go get 'em Sid!
Cops having trouble with a 100 lb female... imagine a 240 lb football player?
Sid was a force to be reckoned with back in my college days. Everyone knew who he was and you didn't mess around when he showed up. Met him years later and became friends. Really like the guy.
Well, tell him he didn't get everybody. I on foot out-ran / out-hid his ass one night a long time ago and kept my collegiate alcohol record squeaky clean. Suck on that one Sid!
Stuff that you think is funny as a drunk may not be to the sober bouncer. Working at one of those bars taught me that. Enjoyed the 150 pound guy who became tough when I stepped between him and the NFL d lineman. Peanut crew while carrying the guy out ‘why are you throwing the little guy out’ ‘perhaps because he grabbed the big guys girlfriends a**?’
I look forward to the op sharing their ‘inside information’ when it actually is relevant to the thread.
There was a very popular player that was definitely on steroids, acted like he owned the place (because the owner basically let him do what he wanted) and would get VERY drunk at the establishment I worked. He was an absolute handful the couple times I saw him removed. They didn't pay me enough to come out from behind the bar to help with that situation. My parents paid a lot for these teeth to get straightened out.
A guy cold cocked a guy at Martini's once. I saw his molar fly by me. I could see the roots on the tooth. It was the coolest thing ever.
Yeah from all the reports of the bar owners etc, she was a model citizen acting very politely.
No one is arguing she should've been arrested. It's the level of alleged mistreatment during that arrest is what is being disputed.
Nobody knows how people should do their jobs better than Pine.
Something damaged this girl somewhere if she can’t stop doing this to herself.
I was fully prepared to condemn the cop in the back based on the initial video. However, as better evidence came in it became clear that this wasn't a meaningful incident and that the woman wasn't injured or roughed up badly. Have to go by the evidence.
Other than the prosthetic leg it also looks like she's missing her thumb. Maybe she was in a severe accident or something that caused her to go off the rails. Either way she needs to get sober and clean up her act. Yikes.
Watch the video. She wasn’t in regular cuffs.
This is not that difficult to understand.
Is that what that was? I was wondering about that!
She definitely has some real issues!
Hmmm…man, that’s trying to kickstart a near dead brain cell to come up with his name. But yeah, Mebus or something like it sounds awfully familiar. Those two ruled the cobbled streets with an iron fist!
Edit to add: Was it Mobley?
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That’s pretty much what I took from this. ****ing sad
If there was ever a situation where mental health professionals should have been engaged (and long before this arrest) this was it. We are a f'd up society. If folks can't agree with that, then they are f'd up as well. Having said that, no issues with the police action here unless more evidence comes out. I felt sorry for the woman at the beginning of the video based on her obvious mental issues, felt for the law enforcement dealing with this knowing they were in for a perception challenge at one point, felt bad for our society at the end of it.
I hope you need the police some day and they tell you to take a hike.
Excusing bad behavior won't improve anything.
