Iowa got royally screwed........

[jamesvanderwulf]

In 1960. Iowa went 8 - 1 against a schedule in which EVERY team we played but one was a top 20 team, including 5 in the top 10. We were rated # 1 until losing at Minnesota, then we finished with a 28 - 0 win at Notre Dame. Meanwhile the Gophers lose to Purdue by 9 then go to the Rose Bowl and lose by 10 to finish 8 - 2, losing 2 of their last 3, while only playing 3 road games that year. Back then voting was done before the bowl games and the Gophers are voted # 1 on the strength of their win over Iowa. ( WTF ) The only unrated team Iowa played that year????????..............................Notre Dame.

 

[bagdropper]

Iowa fought the same preconceptions then that it fights today.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Before I was born, but was that the starting point for the precipitous decline of Iowa football until Hayden Fry? All I ever heard growing up was how bad Iowa was in football during the 60s and 70s.

 

[David1979]

In 1960. Iowa went 8 - 1 against a schedule in which EVERY team we played but one was a top 20 team, including 5 in the top 10. We were rated # 1 until losing at Minnesota, then we finished with a 28 - 0 win at Notre Dame. Meanwhile the Gophers lose to Purdue by 9 then go to the Rose Bowl and lose by 10 to finish 8 - 2, losing 2 of their last 3, while only playing 3 road games that year. Back then voting was done before the bowl games and the Gophers are voted # 1 on the strength of their win over Iowa. ( WTF ) The only unrated team Iowa played that year????????..............................Notre Dame.

That's some bull**** right there. Maybe we should petition for a revote

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I am outraged. Something must be done.

 

[0418hawkguy1001]

Where's Cowherd to talk about how they didn't play any SEC schools back then so it was a "fake" record?

 

[David1979]

What about the 1921 team that went undefeated but the Big Ten wouldn't allow Iowa to play Cal in the Rose Bowl? Another royal screw job.

 

[bagdropper]

I think it was a classic case of Evy was that great a coach (but a lousy AD), and proof Iowa just can't roll out the football like the big boys do.

At Iowa, you need a great coach to succeed. After Evy, they didn't have that until Fry.

It slowly bottomed out during the years Evy was AD with the Jerry Burns/Ray Nagle debacles, then FXL was hired (was Bump Elliott there by then?) and it cratered worse than Kansas is right now. My first Hawk game was the last loss of the winless year. There was maybe, tops...20k there. MSU was the opponent as I recall. 15-6...and it wasn't that close.

Bob Commings then was hired and while Iowa was more competative and one year showed some hope, they plainly just did not win enough (went 2-9 Commings' last year) and the rest is history.

 

[Dauminator]

Or 1900? We won the Big Ten that year, and could (should?) have played in the first ever Rose Bowl. But the Big Ten declined to agree to the bowl game idea/arrangement. I think Duke ended up going instead or some bullhonkey like that.

Just goes to show that CFB hasn't really got it right, well, ever.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

What about the Native American population after European exploration in the 1500's!

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

What about the Native American population after European exploration in the 1500's!

Most were on injury reserve due to the small pox.

 

[ferentzin04]

Or 1900? We won the Big Ten that year, and could (should?) have played in the first ever Rose Bowl. But the Big Ten declined to agree to the bowl game idea/arrangement. I think Duke ended up going instead or some bullhonkey like that.

Just goes to show that CFB hasn't really got it right, well, ever.

Michigan played in the first ever Rose Bowl and slaughtered Stanford. I want to say 1901.

 

[HobbieHawk]

Or 1900? We won the Big Ten that year, and could (should?) have played in the first ever Rose Bowl. But the Big Ten declined to agree to the bowl game idea/arrangement. I think Duke ended up going instead or some bullhonkey like that.

Just goes to show that CFB hasn't really got it right, well, ever.

1921 this happened

 

[HobbieHawk]

I think it was a classic case of Evy was that great a coach (but a lousy AD), and proof Iowa just can't roll out the football like the big boys do.

At Iowa, you need a great coach to succeed. After Evy, they didn't have that until Fry.

It slowly bottomed out during the years Evy was AD with the Jerry Burns/Ray Nagle debacles, then FXL was hired (was Bump Elliott there by then?) and it cratered worse than Kansas is right now. My first Hawk game was the last loss of the winless year. There was maybe, tops...20k there. MSU was the opponent as I recall. 15-6...and it wasn't that close.

Bob Commings then was hired and while Iowa was more competative and one year showed some hope, they plainly just did not win enough (went 2-9 Commings' last year) and the rest is history.

Correct - Evashevski sabotaged Burns and Nagle

FXL was hired by Bump and Licklitered the football program.

Commings had no D1 head coaching experience when he was hired. A fmr player under Evy, he loved it here but he was more of our Paul Rhodes

 

[Herkmeister]

Iowa fought the same preconceptions then that it fights today.

HUNCH: Maybe this ANF thing is working against us!!

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

quit living in the past

 

[hwk23]

Iowa finished 8-1 and #2 in the nation and didn't even make a bowl game. How times have changed. Nebraska is now bowling at 5-7.

 

[naturalmwa]

This is why I hate Purdue.

 

[bhuggins1955]

The Big Ten would only allow the conference champion to go bowling up until the mid to late 70's. A lot of good B10 teams missed out during that time.

 

[SirLawrence44]

In 1960. Iowa went 8 - 1 against a schedule in which EVERY team we played but one was a top 20 team, including 5 in the top 10. We were rated # 1 until losing at Minnesota, then we finished with a 28 - 0 win at Notre Dame. Meanwhile the Gophers lose to Purdue by 9 then go to the Rose Bowl and lose by 10 to finish 8 - 2, losing 2 of their last 3, while only playing 3 road games that year. Back then voting was done before the bowl games and the Gophers are voted # 1 on the strength of their win over Iowa. ( WTF ) The only unrated team Iowa played that year????????..............................Notre Dame.

 

[SirLawrence44]

The game at Minnesota was an historic game. It not only turned out to be for the national championship, but it was the first college game featuring two starting black quarterbacks--Wilburn Hollis and Sandy Stephens.
You can watch the highlights on the Minnesota site. The game turned on one play in the third quarter. Iowa was leading 10-7 and Minnesota faced third and long. Smokey Joe Salem (later to be head coach ) dropped back and was in trouble and threw a desperate "dying quail" pass to Roger Hagberg for the first down, and Minnesota scored soon after.
Except for the Minnesota game, Iowa was a charmed team, winning all the close games, including 21-14 against Purdue (Center Dayton Perry's 80 yard fumble return for a TD), 27-15 win at MSU, with Joe Williams returning a fumble 60 yards for a TD when MSU was running out the clock, and a tipped pass in the end zone to Sammy Harris to beat Wisconsin, 28-21. The most satisfying win was the 35-12 drubbing of Ohio State in Iowa City the week after the Gopher game. Larry Ferguson tightroped 90 yards down the sideline for a TD that had Woody Hayes screaming that he was out of bounds...to no avail.

 

[Lone Clone]

Iowa fought the same preconceptions then that it fights today.

This is incorrect. In fact, quite the opposite. That was the peak of Iowa's national profile. Two years earlier, the Hawkeyes had won the Rose Bowl and been named the nation's #1 team by the football writers despite losing a game and tying another (at home). Two years before that, the team had won the Rose Bowl.

About that Minnesota loss.....I actually remember listening to Jim Zabel call that game. I was 14. The key play was a bad snap on an Iowa punt that went over the kicker's head.

 

[hawkifann]

The Big Ten would only allow the conference champion to go bowling up until the mid to late 70's. A lot of good B10 teams missed out during that time.

Not only that, but teams could not go to the Rose Bowl in consecutive years. If you repeated as champs, the #2 team would go.

 

[Lone Clone]

Not only that, but teams could not go to the Rose Bowl in consecutive years. If you repeated as champs, the #2 team would go.

AND the Big Ten prohibited teams from going to any bowl except the Rose. When you consider that freshmen were ineligible, you had this situation to tell a recruit: If you come to our school and the team goes undefeated for four years, you will go to a bowl game once.

Of course, back in those days a lot of Big Ten schools actually cared about academics. Some of you probably won't believe this, but there was one year when Ohio State won the conference and was invited to the Rose Bowl, but the administration wouldn't let the team accept because it appeared to be an overemphasis on football. And this wasn't around 1900....it was around the time we're discussing, when Woody Hayes was the coach.

He wasn't pleased, by the way.

 

[Nipigu]

Agreed op. And that no-flag for off-sides on the first play at homecoming against Indiana in 1941 still pisses me off.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

quit living in the past

Sorry you don't have any historical perspective on Iowa football. This is the period of Iowa football where the original " die-hard " part of the fan base cut their teeth. If you have no interest in Iowa football history then no need to comment or open the thread.

The Big Ten would only allow the conference champion to go bowling up until the mid to late 70's. A lot of good B10 teams missed out during that time.

Correct. 1975 was the first year the Big 10 sent a second team bowling and that was Michigan to the Orange Bowl. The Hall of Fame, Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl and Gator were soon to follow. By '79 - '80 there were 4 Big 10 teams bowling with the Peach Bowl being Iowa's first invite outside of the Rose Bowl. Of course we went down because it was drive able and the excitement from the turn around of Iowa football was still fresh after the 20 years of abject failure.

 

[David1979]

Michigan played in the first ever Rose Bowl and slaughtered Stanford. I want to say 1901.

literally?

 

[hawkifann]

literally?

Yes, that's why they use the color red.

 

[ferentzin04]

Yes, that's why they use the color red.

Bingo. That's also why they didn't play another Rose Bowl Game for about 15 years. They were still mourning the loss of those poor Cardinal players.

 

[Lone Clone]

Bingo. That's also why they didn't play another Rose Bowl Game for about 15 years. They were still mourning the loss of those poor Cardinal players.

They weren't Cardinals then. They were Indians.

 

[ferentzin04]

They weren't Cardinals then. They were Indians.

Great, just what we need. More slaughtered Indians.

And if we want to get really specific, they didn't have an official nickname until 1930, when they became the Indians. Come on Lone, I feel like you have been front and center in leading the charge to inform people that "the Hawkeye State" isn't the official nickname of Iowa, please show the same care with Stanford. And one last thing, since the 80's they aren't the Cardinals, they are the Cardinal (as in the color, not the bird, which is why it's singular)

Obviously I have little motivation to do actual work today.

 

[Dauminator]

Michigan played in the first ever Rose Bowl and slaughtered Stanford. I want to say 1901.

I got some of my Rose Bowl history years mixed up with the Duke thing. Yes, Michigan played the first one. But I remember reading (maybe it was that Legends, Lists, and Lore book??) that the Rose Bowl wanted to stage a game after the 1900 season that would have included Iowa, but the arrangement fell apart. I guess rather than a substitute team, it ended up there was no football game at all. But I'm sticking to my guns that Iowa was screwed out of that honor.

Fun fact: after Michigan embarassed Stanford, the football game was replaced by a Roman-style games for several years.

 

[unclesammy]

Another bad thing about that Minnesota game. The week before we played a very hard fought game with Kansas. We were beat up going into the game. Minnesota played a very weak Kansas State team and rested most of their starters.

 

[ChosenChildren]

The 1960 team was voted national champion by some polls. Iowa has actually been voted National Champion by at least one poll in six separate seasons. Check out College Football Data Warehouse on the internet.

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

Sorry you don't have any historical perspective on Iowa football. This is the period of Iowa football where the original " die-hard " part of the fan base cut their teeth. If you have no interest in Iowa football history then no need to comment or open the thread.

i find it funny how we keep telling Nebraska fans not to live in the past, yet here is this thread whining about getting screwed in 1960.

 

[83Hawk]

From Wikipedia:

"The inaugural game featured Fielding H. Yost's dominating 1901 Michigan team, representing the East, which crushed a previously 3-1-2 team from Stanford University, representing the West, by a score of 49–0 after Stanford quit in the third quarter."

 

[ferentzin04]

From Wikipedia:

"The inaugural game featured Fielding H. Yost's dominating 1901 Michigan team, representing the East, which crushed a previously 3-1-2 team from Stanford University, representing the West, by a score of 49–0 after Stanford quit in the third quarter."

"Michigan finished the season undefeated with an 11–0 record, outscored their opponents by the unprecedented total of 550 to 0"

That's decent I guess. They didn't play any SEC teams though.

 

[Lone Clone]

Great, just what we need. More slaughtered Indians.

And if we want to get really specific, they didn't have an official nickname until 1930, when they became the Indians. Come on Lone, I feel like you have been front and center in leading the charge to inform people that "the Hawkeye State" isn't the official nickname of Iowa, please show the same care with Stanford. And one last thing, since the 80's they aren't the Cardinals, they are the Cardinal (as in the color, not the bird, which is why it's singular)

Obviously I have little motivation to do actual work today.

They were the Cardinals from the time I started paying attention to college football until they pretty much led the rush to de-offend people. I recalll the student newspaper had a poll to pick a new nickname that was a better reflection of Stanford and its founders, and the overwhelming winner was "Robber Barons."

Aren't they actually a tree of some kind now? Or do they use a tree because Cardinal is a color and you can't have a color as a mascot? Kinda like ISU uses a cardinal for a mascot because that's one of the school colors (as well as the original nickname of the team).

 

[amahawk]

That's some bull**** right there. Maybe we should petition for a revote

I think something like that also happened back in '30 or '31.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

i find it funny how we keep telling Nebraska fans not to live in the past, yet here is this thread whining about getting screwed in 1960.

Who's the " we " telling Nebraska fans what to think? You got a turd in your pocket? If you don't know anything about Iowa football except what happened this season then go pop off to Nebraska fans.