Nebraska is trending in a much better direction than iowa. Sadly.
It's the University's Decision
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Its time to move on, KF was a tremendous leader for the program but the game has simply passed him by. Very few coaches can have success for multiple decades at the same school.
Being afraid to "slip back" is no reason not to move forward with change. It's scary to think of doing something different, but for the sake of progress it's imperative to be open to new ideas and approaches. Something that KF clearly isn't capable of anymore.
Being afraid to "slip back" is no reason not to move forward with change. It's scary to think of doing something different, but for the sake of progress it's imperative to be open to new ideas and approaches. Something that KF clearly isn't capable of anymore.
So many unfounded declarations in here. And KF isn't gone yet, save your obituaries.
And no woe is us, we're little old Iowa. We're a Big Ten program and a damn good one with a top ten winning % the last decade. Whenever KF does depart, things might get worse, yeah. Things might also get better. Crazy idea, I know.
And no woe is us, we're little old Iowa. We're a Big Ten program and a damn good one with a top ten winning % the last decade. Whenever KF does depart, things might get worse, yeah. Things might also get better. Crazy idea, I know.
Definitely want Grubb.
Definitely do NOT want Budmayr. He wouldn't be much better than Brian (which means he will get the job).
No opinion on Betts.
Well that explains why every single one of your posts are negative towards Iowa football. You're a Nebraska fan hanging out on the Iowa board. That makes you a steaming pile of dogshit. Off with your head.
Nice sentiment. Change isn't always good, but it is always inevitable. Brian had to go and Kirk was retiring within the next few years regardless of what happened the past week. The program's current trajectory wasn't a positive one. With that said, let's all hope the next hire is a strong one that can meet all of the new challenges that lie ahead.
I think Grubb could be a head coaching candidate, if the need arises.
As OC, I think it's a pipe dream. I can't see him making what would pretty much be a sideways career move to Iowa, just to shelve his offense in favor of Kirk's "complimentary" system (which will be the requirement of any OC Kirk hires). Besides that, "head coach in waiting" schemes almost never work.
I think it's comical that Kakert is out there disparaging fans for celebrating BF's departure, reminding everyone that Kirk has almost always gone with "unsexy" assistant coach hires (especially at OC). But then he goes on to name-drop Grubb as a possible candidate.
Pelini 67-27 , Kirk 2015-21 63-25 PelinI 71.27% Kirk 71.79% Go back under Your Bridge
Naw. I’m an iowa season ticket holder and alum. Neither one of those for Nebraska.
Pelini never won less than nine games in his entire tenure at Nebraska. Fact.
You cherry picking Kirk’s best seven year stretch and Kirk still won less games than Bo. It’s not helping your argument!
I think that it will be a short-term job for the next OC. Maybe one season, two at most.
Every other D1 program in the nation would have released Brian at the end of last year; Kirk and Brian had their opportunity to avoid this scenario last January. I think the timing of this is way better than post season: it gives the players (especially on defense) hope for the future, invigorates most of the fan base that have been despondent over our pathetic offense and Kirk's unwillingness to retool, plus it lets future recruits know we do want to give them a chance to succeed.
I have absolutely no inside information, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it went down this way: 1) BG privately tells KF that BF is not going to be retained, and gives KF the option to control the narrative. 2) KF does the ole "I evaluate things at the end of the season, and I will again re: BF." 3) BG reminds KF that she is in charge of BF's employment, and if he doesn't cooperate she'll pull the trigger now. 4) KF "I dare you."
I’m not trying to turn this into a Pelini reunion. My simple point was Nebraska got rid of a coach that never won less than nine games. It was a horrible decision.
Iowa getting rid of Brian Ferentz, regardless of what happens is a necessary decision and absolutely had to happen. There is no comparison.
Iowa getting rid of Brian Ferentz, regardless of what happens is a necessary decision and absolutely had to happen. There is no comparison.
Big10 especially West has been weak for many years. Don't look at bowl games as any barometer, because these days until it's National Championship, the teams are watered down by future NFL players sitting them out.
Kirks's system has thrived on the inept offenses of most Big10 teams. But it's dived below that bar in the last 3 years. Kirk had supreme control with Barta and now has for first time has to deal with higher authority making a decision over his head.
He might allude that he'd prefer it took place after season....but that's exactly what happned last year...after beating a unmotivated Kentucky team (without many parts that sat out or were injured). They let Brian stay with the idiotic contract.
He's not fired...he's just not being renewed. Should have happened last year. If Brian wasn't allowed to make personal decisions on recruiting (ie QB play) than shame on Kirk for being stubborn to the point of allowing Brian to fail. And Kirk...please stop with the "what we see at practice" excuses. What we see on game day trumps all of that and reveals the truth.
Kirks's system has thrived on the inept offenses of most Big10 teams. But it's dived below that bar in the last 3 years. Kirk had supreme control with Barta and now has for first time has to deal with higher authority making a decision over his head.
He might allude that he'd prefer it took place after season....but that's exactly what happned last year...after beating a unmotivated Kentucky team (without many parts that sat out or were injured). They let Brian stay with the idiotic contract.
He's not fired...he's just not being renewed. Should have happened last year. If Brian wasn't allowed to make personal decisions on recruiting (ie QB play) than shame on Kirk for being stubborn to the point of allowing Brian to fail. And Kirk...please stop with the "what we see at practice" excuses. What we see on game day trumps all of that and reveals the truth.
You said Kirk had never had a 7 year stretch as good as Pelini , I proved You wrong do not double down on fat uneducated and stupid to fit Your narrative, It is not a good look . Your exact words were- Nebraska under Pelini had a better seven year stretch than Kirk has even come close to at iowa.
He never did. Never won as many games as Pelini in a seven year stretch. Happy to educate you. And Pelini was more consistent.
I know Grubb is a pipe dream at OC.....but I would still like to have him!
It doesn't seem to be a stretch as far as dollars, especially if it improves recruitment and the offense. Issue may be bringing someone in who has complete control like Phil does on defense. Certainly, wouldn't want to see the administrations hands tied with a hire and a stipulation of being HC when the time comes. I do recall, during the Goetz interview, she said she and the administration would have input in a hire. Now what this means exactly is anyone's guess.
I agree with most of this.
Your last sentence seems to be the point of divergence between those chomping at the bit for change and those clinging to the status quo.
I think the chances of the next coach winning 70% of their games at Iowa is much, much less than 50-50. Like, almost a certainty. However, I feel equally confident that Kirk will not win 70% of his games over the next five years, either, should he remain here that long.
Bo Pelini was 25-24 against teams that finished with winning records. 40-2 against teams that finished below .500
Yea. It’s like people don’t understand how your schedule plays a role. Iowa’s schedule last year was harder than this years by a good bit. Last years team was probably better than this years, but this years team should have a better record.
How does that disprove anything? Other than he beat up on bad teams, just like Iowa has been doing.
For comparison, what are Kirk's stats in this regard?
you could cut cut and paste your same post, change KF to Hayden Fry, and post it in 1998. Heard the same thing.
It wasn't true then so.. why does it need to be true now?
It wasn't true then so.. why does it need to be true now?
It only had to be a university decision because of the nepotism here.
No organization or employer can allow an underperforming employee to stay on board forever just because of their name. It's demoralizing to all the other employees and eventually causes way more harm. The university has to be bigger than one family, no matter what good they may have done up to that point.
If KF doesn't like that, that's too bad.
No organization or employer can allow an underperforming employee to stay on board forever just because of their name. It's demoralizing to all the other employees and eventually causes way more harm. The university has to be bigger than one family, no matter what good they may have done up to that point.
If KF doesn't like that, that's too bad.
You must have missed 2021 when the West had Iowa at 10-4, and Purdue, Wisconsin and Minnesota all at 9-4. Since most teams only play 1 power 5 team in non-conference and maybe another in a bowl game it is hard to not look at bowl games. Sure some teams may have more players sit out than others but on average that should even out and give an indication of team and conference strength. Wisconsin has won 8 of last 9 bowl games and Minnesota has won 6 in a row.
Inept offenses may be impacted by outstanding defenses. 2022 these are the scoring defenses we faced. #1 Illinois, #4 Minn, #7 Mich, #13 Kentucky, #17 Wisc, #18 ISU, and #24 OSU who allowed 21 points per game. Iowa was #2 behind the #1 Illinois defense who allowed 12.8 PPG. Over half the teams we faced had a top 25 defense.
2021 Scoring Defenses Wisc #4, Minn #6, PSU #6 Tie, Mich #8, ISU #20, Kentucky #26. Iowa was at #13 behind 4 defenses we faced including 2 in the Big West. Kentucky allowed 21.7 PPG while the top 4 defenses we faced all allowed less than 18 PPG. We faced 4 top ten defenses and 6 top 26 defenses.
And other Big 10 teams faced Iowa's great defense.
Fat meathead didn't have any options ... the prez(big$$$ guys) said end this crap. Beth was told what to do. The boosters threw this guy out of the program.
Sure sounded like it to me yesterday. Kirk was biting his tongue when asked some pointed questions by the medua. He swore more yesterday than I've ever heard.
I was told that it was a very tense situation when they told Kirk. It did not go over very well. A lot of things KF said at the presser yesterday was things they told me about the meeting
I write this with no sense of enjoyment, because I have long respected Kirk, and how he runs the football program. It has not always gone the way I would have liked, but he’s overall been great for the program. Others may differ and that’s okay.
With that, in someways it might be better that he retire now. He was not going to coach that many more years, regardless. If he does retire, this way it avoids coaches telling recruits for the next two years that you are not going to get to play for Kirk. This way it just happens.
With this path comes the need to have a very short list of solid candidates for the top spot. It may already exist. No whiffs on this one. A bad hire can set them back 10 years. No pressure Beth.
You are amazing. I have nothing to prove to you or anybody else. People like you are why we don't give out information anymore. Their use to quit a few people that had good contacts back in the day. Now they say nothing.
