Is is wrong to think that Jordan’s stance is 100% correct but that he’s also an entitled, privileged douche?
Jbo not impressed with NCAA swag bag, back at it on Twitter...
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Dabo made 9 million dollars last year but clemson didn't have the money to pay for their track team. What was the buyout for archie sucking so bad at Indiana? I think it was 10m. For sucking.
What is the mission of a university and the NCAA again? Shove as much money as possible into the adults hands? Get rich off of 18-23 year olds while telling them if they also try to make money we will ban you?
I'm curious why we can't cap salaries for coaches? Simply say no coach can earn more than 500k a year. Seems strange to take a young person to task for trying to make some extra money while paying a coach 10m for getting fired.
What is the mission of a university and the NCAA again? Shove as much money as possible into the adults hands? Get rich off of 18-23 year olds while telling them if they also try to make money we will ban you?
I'm curious why we can't cap salaries for coaches? Simply say no coach can earn more than 500k a year. Seems strange to take a young person to task for trying to make some extra money while paying a coach 10m for getting fired.
I was a D-1 athlete in baseball who was on scholarship, and many of these "privileges" simply aren't accurate. Although we had access to tutors, they came from academic services just like the regular students could access. When I had to have knee surgery, it was paid for by my parents insurance, not the school, although it was done by the "team doctor" who was from a local hospital. We ate our meals at the same dining center as other students. I never saw this "stipend" for spending money. My books were given to me by the school, but were also returned at the end of the term or I was charged. I had a friend who played football at Iowa who tore his ACL. His parents paid for his surgery as well even though it happened at football practice. I can't speak for everyone, but this was my experience as well as my friends.
This isn't a poor me post, but they guy who lived next to me in the dorms my freshman year was on full scholarship from the school. He was allowed to have a job and make money and actually later made calls to boosters/donors to raise money for the school. I found it ironic that he got paid by the university to make these calls (a job I wasn't allowed to do), yet I wasn't allowed to do a commercial to make money (not that anybody wanted me to do a commercial) because I was an athlete. Seems a bit hypocritical.
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Your correct, sorry. It shouldn't affect their tuition reimbursement. And I am not being a jerk, I actually agree with you! But my point was if you are going to make money on your likeness, you make it on YOUR likeness and not your affiliation with the school or any trademarking associated with the school. IMHO.
this is today's schedule. so they are not stuck in their room 24/7
I wonder if universities actually lose out on money by giving these athletes all this free stuff, and, in particular, scholarships paying for their tuition etc etc.
Wonder what happens if they took that stuff away and made athletes have to pay like everyone else?...........
Yeah well ya see.....f*** Illinois, and I would strongly encourage them to lose at some point in this tournament.
Could that be because they're already getting paid to play?
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Now some of the women's basketball coaches are complaining about the accommodations versus the mens teams! This to me is more of an issue than the entitled mens players complaining about swag bags.
Yeah....no they don't. If you wonder again take a look at the coaches salaries
Would them losing to Drexel be too much to ask for?
ummm.....doesnt look like there is any time allocated for anything outside of team activities. Seems pretty locked down to me.this is today's schedule. so they are not stuck in their room 24/7
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resembles a schedule of a "typical business trip" including a nice dinner at Weber Grill! They can all order whatever they would like off the menu and expense it back to the university!
Don't know how Jbo has much to complain about. He literally requested and received a special waiver to be a part of the NCAA system for another year. If he wanted to he could have easily left and found out just how much is NIL and basketball skills are worth without NCAA CBB..
I'm pretty sure he realizes how much his NIL is worth after college which is the whole point of this thing
I know he does but that's my point his NIL isn't worth much without the NCAA CBB system so he's not really operating from a position of leverage..
Awful comparison.
How the f**k would the NCAA decide WHO is worth WHAT on a college team?? They just gonna pay all guys the same? That won't work because some players are better than others.
The fight for "I don't get what [I think] i'm worth" would be never-ending and the sport would go STRAIGHT DOWN THE SHITTER.
What's great about your posted opinion is that it's wrong and the NCAA knows it's wrong too and taking steps to right to his wrong.
This seems to make a lot of people uncomfortable, these college athletes railing against the NCAA out loud, on social media. But it’s not going away. And it’s not just JBo.
How can we all essentially agree that the athletes are pawns, NCAA building fortunes off their backs for decades...then complain about the way these kids are speaking out?
Again, it’s uncomfortable I get it. But it’s not going away. I hope this shakes up the NCAA rules.
How can we all essentially agree that the athletes are pawns, NCAA building fortunes off their backs for decades...then complain about the way these kids are speaking out?
Again, it’s uncomfortable I get it. But it’s not going away. I hope this shakes up the NCAA rules.
I’m not sure if the accuracy of this post. First baseball does not get the perks of the other sports. I’ve had former athletes who’s health expenses were covered by the school.
what was your stipend?
This false equivalency of comparing athletes to academic scholarship kids has to stop. The list of differences is laughable.
If you want to be generous college athletes are making a minimum $30 per hour. While in college without accruing interest. Where is that big money the ncaa is making go? To the 180,000 scholarship athletes playing sports. College athletics are basically unionized already.
If you want to be generous college athletes are making a minimum $30 per hour. While in college without accruing interest. Where is that big money the ncaa is making go? To the 180,000 scholarship athletes playing sports. College athletics are basically unionized already.
And last year they made Zilch, and this years scenario may not be nearly as profitable either... Was also wondering who is paying for the schools to stay in hotels, room service etcc for weeks? The Schools themselves or the NCAA?
What do you believe is inaccurate? I'm happy to discuss my experiences. We had to show proof of insurance before the season started and if we didn't, the school had something we could purchase. The stipend didn't get passed until 2015, and my playing days were the late 90's. Baseball clearly does not get the perks of other sports, but that is what many people against the NIL are missing. We didn't have anyone on a full scholarship so we all payed a portion of our education. They are fighting for all college athletes, not just football/basketball. Not many people want to pay the pitcher on a baseball team or the best cross country runner to make an appearance somewhere, but if it helps to offset the cost of college, shouldn't they be able to? I acknowledge the NCAA gives a lot of money back to the schools, but I made a phone call and wrote a letter each year to the family that paid for my partial scholarship to thank them.
I played division one as well and I didn't get any of those perks. They didn't exist. The academic help was a mandatory study hall regardless of your grades once a week. It was stupid.
We got a stipend for meals on away games. That was pretty much it.
My son is playing division one right now. He is on my insurance. He also is not a football or basketball player so I am footing the bill.
Where do you think a lot of that money the NCAA makes on FB and BBall goes? For every 1 star basketball/football player that is "a pawn" being undercompensated there are 25+ college athletes playing sports that lose money year in and year out but they still get scholarships and perks worth well into the 6 figures over their college careers. The truth is the vast majority of scholarship student athletes are getting way more than their "fair market value".
I would love for people to see what a true open market where schools and boosters put money towards players and programs that they value most. 90% of programs not football and basketball would cease to exist as the money would flow to the revenue sports to remain competitive.
this is today's schedule. so they are not stuck in their room 24/7
They were for the first 2 days. It was a 48 hour quarantine.
No scholarship? You still can't profit off your image
And making his point a different way
So I work for a large hospital system, and get paid fairly well on salary. Since I walk around the hospital talking to other departments, etc... should I get paid for my image and likeness when I am outside my department? This hospital system has plenty of money to compensate me for it.
I dont think that analogy fits very well. It's not the school, or in your case the hospital, that would pay for the nil. The school wouldn't be paying J-Bo anything. Instead, private businesses like Pancheros would pay him to be in a burrito commercial, or rich parents would pay him to show up at their dumb kids birthday party and drain some threes.
I guess my point is, we all enter into contracts with someone to receive something. I really don't care if JBo gets paid for his NIL, I just think, from his social media presence, he is an entitled whiny baby when he doesn't get what he wants, and good luck with him going forward after basketball. And yes I don't know the kid personally, and I am making assumptions from a small sample size, so all of you can just settle down.
You know this type of attitude is total bullshit right? Small colleges build their entire business model around student athletes and there is zero outside revenue. The tripping block you are getting caught on is the salary expense of the adults that somehow just need to make 3m a year as the head coach and 800k as an assistant coach. Coe college has a swim team but Iowa does not...what a truly ****ed up situation where Iowa is claiming poverty while paying how much to coaches? We have become so accustomed to the bullshit coming out of athletic departments that we believe a head football coach is worth 3m a year because of revenue. Would the fans stop being fans if our coach was paid 500k a year along with every other coach in the country? Nope. Why is the free market such a great deal for those coaches but somehow these young men are scum for demanding access to same market? Tell me as dabo makes 9m a year and archie gets 10m for getting fired....which market would demand their services without the universities and student athletes that employ them?
You know why? Because this is the same bullshit argument management has always used against labor that they don't want to pay while lining their own pockets. It is a bullshit argument and the sad part is the vast majority of fans buy into the lie that these people are worth what they get paid. Pull the curtain back and take a real hard look and ask why exactly these people should get paid more than the surgeons in the University hospital. By the way the hospital on our campus dwarfs athletics in terms of budget and revenue.
Let's stop the lies surrounding all of this. The purpose of a university and by extension any program associated with a university is primarily the advancement of knowledge and the development of people seeking that knowledge. Most of those people are young including these student athletes. That a couple sports can generate billions of dollars is wonderful but let's stop pretending that any of these coaches are worth 9m a year. The revenue generated wouldn't exist without the universities. Pay those coaches a nice salary well above what normal people make but truly that revenue belongs to the universities not the athletic department like it is some sort of separate entity. Stop spending 90m dollars on an end zone renovation and then cry about bit having enough money. Booster money can be directed and those schools that have that should absolutely do that bit tv and gate revenue or merchandise revenue? That belongs to the schools and should be used to first underwrite and endow the entire athletic mission not just give coaches more and more and more. It should second be used broadly to assist with the primary mission of the University
You are getting paid for that already aren't you? With health insurance and likely a retirement plan? The secretary in the athletic department is getting the same thing as you.
Tell me which nurse or doctor that is the face of your hospital and doing the health care delivery isn't getting paid? Or better yet tell which of those people are getting paid with free healthcare at your hospital and they can eat a set amount from the hospital cafeteria and if they try to make money elsewhere they get fired.
insurance, yes I agree. However, my former plays (some that played at iowa) didn't run 90% of visits through insurance.
Who pays for baseball, field hockey etc? NIL only helps a handful of kids and the ramifications will/can hurt all athletics due to abuse. NIL will end poorly for most athletes.
walk ons are the only ones with a grip. But i'm pretty sure they are allowed jobs.
I'm not going to address everything you wrote because there's just too much and i haven't the time rn, but my point is that the coaches get paid millions because they operate in a free market while all scholarship student athletes essentially work for a fixed wage. If you make an open market for student athletes and remove all the title 9 rules and scholarship requirements what you would get is male players in the revenue sports would quickly make a lot of money while all the others would make very little. What you are basically suggesting is that money should be diverted from coaches towards keeping other programs alive, and i am saying that in a truly free and open market that will not happen because not enough people care about those sports. The only way to get the system u suggest is to have the NCAA cap coaches pay and I promise you that will never happen.
