Jbo not impressed with NCAA swag bag, back at it on Twitter...

[HawkInArk]

Or pick a fan favorite having a sandwich names for them at a local restaurant and getting a cut of every sandwich sold?

Not everything has to make them rich but the truth is most of these kids are not getting full rides and are paying the majority of their own bill.

Is there a local restaurant(s) using a player's name on their menu?

I think the ratio of guys with full rides vs. not full rides is pretty lopsided in favor of full scholly.

All in all I agree - any college player should be able to get paid if offered an opportunity to help at camps or even starting their own camp. Absolutely.

At the same rate, these guys on full scholly are INCREDIBLY lucky to have all the sh*t they get paid for in full. I'd give one of my testicles to have my college debt erased. I'm dead serious..

 

[hawkedoff]

Is there a local restaurant(s) using a player's name on their menu?

I think the ratio of guys with full rides vs. not full rides is pretty lopsided in favor of full scholly.

All in all I agree - any college player should be able to get paid if offered an opportunity to help at camps or even starting their own camp. Absolutely.

At the same rate, these guys on full scholly are INCREDIBLY lucky to have all the sh*t they get paid for in full. I'd give one of my testicles to have my college debt erased. I'm dead serious..

They aren't incredibly lucky at all. They are incredibly talented and work incredibly hard. They are also in a business that produces billions of dollars for their work. Know why they are called student athletes instead of employees? Because the NCAA coined the term in order to sidestep having to pay workers compensation if they got hurt. Weird things to do don't you think?

 

[HawkInArk]

They aren't incredibly lucky at all. They are incredibly talented and work incredibly hard. They are also in a business that produces billions of dollars for their work. Know why they are called student athletes instead of employees? Because the NCAA coined the term in order to sidestep having to pay workers compensation if they got hurt. Weird things to do don't you think?

If I worked for a company that just raked in the annual profits - millions upon millions upon millions - and I knew the CEO could easily afford to double or triple or quadruple my salary... doesn't mean I think he/she should.

Average college debt after graduation is in the area of $32,000. Jordan Bohannon's debt after graduation will be $00,000 which makes him? You guessed it: incredibly fortunate and lucky.

 

[notlongago]

It’s called assumption and speculation. There’s no way to quantify those figures because you’re dealing with non-quantifiable product. My point stands.

There's no way to quantify revenue? You sir, are talking out of your ass.

 

[hawkedoff]

If I worked for a company that just raked in the annual profits - millions upon millions upon millions - and I knew the CEO could easily afford to double or triple or quadruple my salary... doesn't mean I think he/she should.

Average college debt after graduation is in the area of $32,000. Jordan Bohannon's debt after graduation will be $00,000.

So what? Let's put the same restrictions on you as on theses student athletes shall we? Your non-compete is fully enforceable and you are not allowed to even talk to someone else about a different job. If you do you can't work at either place. Your boss can though.

If you get hurt the cost is on you. You would think it would be on them....but it isn't. If you are hurt bad enough you are out of a job and need to suck it up.

You can be replaced at any time but refer to point one about not being able to improve your own situation. You can't. If you do voluntarily leave your job you have to sit out from working for a year.

You can't participate in anything that might be construed as getting paid. Even if it is for charity.

Oh and since you want to focus on jbo and his fill ride let's also add you aren't jbo. You are a kid on the track team but all the same rules apply and you aren't getting anything close to a full ride. Or maybe you are the kicker on the iowa football team and have 100k in student loans...you can look that up there was a story about it last year.

Tuition room and board at Iowa is around 20k in state and 35k out of state. Those sound like life changing salaries to you?

 

[cidhawkeye]

Nobody pointing out that allowing the players to be in the ‘free market’ for their likeness while capping coaching salaries is a double standard?
Players in the major revenue sports in general have a leg up in the work world when leaving p5 schools.
It would be interesting to see the hiring patterns of a company like Stryker.

 

[hawkedoff]

Nobody pointing out that allowing the players to be in the ‘free market’ for their likeness while capping coaching salaries is a double standard?
Players in the major revenue sports in general have a leg up in the work world when leaving p5 schools.
It would be interesting to see the hiring patterns of a company like Stryker.

No it really isn't. The coaches can profit however they want right now. Always have been able to do so. Their salaries are ridiculously out of control

 

[UNIowaHawk]

There's no way to quantify revenue? You sir, are talking out of your ass.

Not as it’s attributed to individuals, no. Hence the assumption and speculation. Certain players on teams add to (and in some instances reduce) revenue as a result of their play/participation. Some players add (or reduce) more than others. Quantifying aspects of revenue as it relates to any individual player on a team sport especially those as complex as college sports is pure conjecture.

 

[HawkInArk]

Or maybe you are the kicker on the iowa football team and have 100k in student loans...you can look that up there was a story about it last year.

I don't feel bad for Duncan as he was fully aware of the situation i.e. North Carolina to Iowa City. He and his family made the conscious decisions to go out of state non-scholly.

Do I think college costs are outrageous? You bet. But that's what they are and we are all well aware.

Players should be able to make money on the side i.e. camps and such. We're 100% in agreement. If they have time available for that stuff though, maybe they get a random part-time job in the "down" months like a regular student?

 

[notlongago]

Not as it’s attributed to individuals, no. Hence the assumption and speculation. Certain players on teams add to (and in some instances reduce) revenue as a result of their play/participation. Some players add (or reduce) more than others. Quantifying aspects of revenue as it relates to any individual player on a team sport especially those as complex as college sports is pure conjecture.

You pulled random percentages and attributed them to teams - that info absolutely exists, but you don't know it as evdient by you "I'd guess" type assertions.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

They aren't incredibly lucky at all. They are incredibly talented and work incredibly hard. They are also in a business that produces billions of dollars for their work. Know why they are called student athletes instead of employees? Because the NCAA coined the term in order to sidestep having to pay workers compensation if they got hurt. Weird things to do don't you think?

You make it sound like they are shocked to learn that they’re only playing for scholarships when they get there. Yes, they are absolutely talented and have worked hard to get where they are. Yes, they should be able to make money off their name. But they know the college deal going in—it is what it is.

 

[hawkedoff]

You make it sound like they are shocked to learn that they’re only playing for scholarships when they get there. Yes, they are absolutely talented and have worked hard to get where they are. Yes, they should be able to make money off their name. But they know they college deal going in—it is what it is.

Oh bullshit. People renegotiate things all the time. Somehow the ncaa and these universities are shocked labor wants more? How dare they....they knew what we were giving them. Predatory mindset and we have become conditioned to believing it.

 

[hawkedoff]

I don't feel bad for Duncan as he was fully aware of the situation i.e. North Carolina to Iowa City. He and his family made the conscious decisions to go out of state non-scholly.

Do I think college costs are outrageous? You bet. But that's what they are and we are all well aware.

Players should be able to make money on the side i.e. camps and such. We're 100% in agreement. If they have time available for that stuff though, maybe they get a random part-time job in the "down" months like a regular student?

The coach makes 3m a year and a kid should have 100k in debt as a starter. How truly warped is that thinking. It is wrong and if you step back a bit you would see it. 3m a year for the coach and this kid has more debt than the cost of a starter house in Iowa.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Oh bullshit. People renegotiate things all the time. Somehow the ncaa and these universities are shocked labor wants more? How dare they....they knew what we were giving them. Predatory mindset and we have become conditioned to believing it.

Disagree strenuously but sorry, I’m not typing my lengthy response on a phone keyboard....fat fingers.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

You pulled random percentages and attributed them to teams - that info absolutely exists, but you don't know it as evdient by you "I'd guess" type assertions.

What are you talking about? Show me where it says how much of the NCAA’s revenue is a result of the Iowa Men’s Basketball program. Not the B1G, not football, not Iowa’s Men’s Basketball opponents, but the Iowa Men’s Basketball program. Then take it a step further and tell me how much of that is due to Garza? Bohannon? Murray? Nunge? Fran? You can’t because that doesn’t exist. It’s all assumption and speculation.

 

[notlongago]

What are you talking about? Show me where it says how much of the NCAA’s revenue is a result of the Iowa Men’s Basketball program. Not the B1G, not football, not Iowa’s Men’s Basketball opponents, but the Iowa Men’s Basketball program. Then take it a step further and tell me how much of that is due to Garza? Bohannon? Murray? Nunge? Fran? You can’t because that doesn’t exist. It’s all assumption and speculation.

So just to be clear; your contention is that the university of Iowa doesn't know how much revenue each team generates/loses?

 

[HawkInArk]

The coach makes 3m a year and a kid should have 100k in debt as a starter. How truly warped is that thinking. It is wrong and if you step back a bit you would see it. 3m a year for the coach and this kid has more debt than the cost of a starter house in Iowa.

Again, he put himself in the position to accrue the debt he has. As did I when I made the decision to go to the University of Iowa w/out scholarship and w/out financial assistance from my family.

I am super bummed about my debt balance but have nobody to blame but myself.

 

[hawkedoff]

Again, he put himself in the position to accrue the debt he has. As did I when I made the decision to go to the University of Iowa w/out scholarship and w/out financial assistance from my family.

I am super bummed about my debt balance but have nobody to blame but myself.

That type of answer is so sad. I actually feel bad that you are so incredibly selfish you can't see beyond yourself.

I got shot at to get the GI bill if you want to compare stories. I think I win the pull yourself up story. You ever been shot at?

You are defending millionaires against teenagers. Let that sink on a bit on your narrative.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

So just to be clear; your contention is that the university of Iowa doesn't know how much revenue each team generates/loses?

No, that’s not even close to what I said. My original comment, if you wish to go back and read it, is that “of the revenue Iowa drives for the NCAA” (one school out of how many hundred?) Im speculating that a small % of that is directly tied to Iowa Men’s Basketball, second to Football and would probably come in “less than 30%” And this year being different than most others I’d speculate that “~85% of that is Garza through ESPN, individual awards, etc.” 85% in my original comment is probably too high, I give you that. Either way, looking at Bohannon specifically, in the eyes of Iowa revenue and to a much much much lesser extent the NCAA revenue, he’s a JAG. Replace him with damn near anyone else and NCAA revenue doesn’t change. Iowa may not be as good, but that doesn’t impact NCAA revenue. It may impact Iowa revenue a bit, but negligible.

The bottom line is Bohannon does not impact the NCAA’s revenue or brand.

 

[hawkedoff]

No, that’s not even close to what I said. My original comment, if you wish to go back and read it, is that “of the revenue Iowa drives for the NCAA” (one school out of how many hundred?) Im speculating that a small % of that is directly tied to Iowa Men’s Basketball, second to Football and would probably come in “less than 30%” And this year being different than most others I’d speculate that “~85% of that is Garza through ESPN, individual awards, etc.” 85% in my original comment is probably too high, I give you that. Either way, looking at Bohannon specifically, in the eyes of Iowa revenue and to a much much much lesser extent the NCAA revenue, he’s a JAG. Replace him with damn near anyone else and NCAA revenue doesn’t change. Iowa may not be as good, but that doesn’t impact NCAA revenue. It may impact Iowa revenue a bit, but negligible.

The bottom line is Bohannon does not impact the NCAA’s revenue or brand.

Lol. The dude is top ten in program history for scoring, holds the assists record and three pointers record and is second all time in the big ten for three pointers. Yeah he is a chump that means nothing to the brand. What planet do you live on and just how disrespectful can you be to these players? You are the manager that lays people off at Christmas to save a couple bucks and boost your own bonus aren't you?

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Players should be able to make money on the side i.e. camps and such. We're 100% in agreement. If they have time available for that stuff though, maybe they get a random part-time job in the "down" months like a regular student?

College athletes can have jobs. Many do. Not sure why people think otherwise. College athletes on full scholarship are also able to get student loans.

 

[HawkInArk]

That type of answer is so sad. I actually feel bad that you are so incredibly selfish you can't see beyond yourself.

I got shot at to get the GI bill if you want to compare stories. I think I win the pull yourself up story. You ever been shot at?

You are defending millionaires against teenagers. Let that sink on a bit on

I am also a veteran after honorably serving active duty Infantry for years, but no, I was never actually shot at. So let's not go down this rabbit hole where you continue to pretend you're better than me, or whatever you were getting at by asking me that question.

Have you ever crawled into a burning home to rescue a 400lb victim and nearly died in the process? I have - fairly recently.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Lol. The dude is top ten in program history for scoring, holds the assists record and three pointers record and is second all time in the big ten for three pointers. Yeah he is a chump that means nothing to the brand. What planet do you live on and just how disrespectful can you be to these players? You are the manager that lays people off at Christmas to save a couple bucks and boost your own bonus aren't you?

You’re confusing performance and revenue. A chump or not is irrelevant to the discussion. People pay to go see (tune into) certain players and this year (and last) that player was easily Garza. I am sure there are some people who have said, “we should go watch (or tune into) Iowa so we can see Bohannon” but I am speculating those are very few and far between. Does he help Iowa win games that drive that narrative (and money)? Sure. But if he wasn’t there, how much is the replacement factor worth.

Exaggerated example:
Iowa with Bohannon = $100M?
Iowa without Bohannon = $90M?
So Bohannon is worth $10M to Iowa?

NCAA with Bohannon = $100B?
Iowa without Bohannon = $99.99999B?
So Bohannon is worth $10K to NCAA? (Less than to Iowa as a result of replacement factor)

 

[cidhawkeye]

No it really isn't. The coaches can profit however they want right now. Always have been able to do so. Their salaries are ridiculously out of control

The salaries are out of control. That however isn’t what I addressed as a double standard. You are proposing that the athletes get to participate in the ‘free market’ and then you propose to put a cap on coaches salaries. One is free market, the other isn’t. Your proposal is a double standard, just a more equitable double standard than currently exists.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

The bottom line is Bohannon does not impact the NCAA’s revenue or brand.

Well, I mean.....he could.


He'd just need to commit a lot of arson, strategically..................................

 

[HawkLogic]

The salaries are out of control. That however isn’t what I addressed as a double standard. You are proposing that the athletes get to participate in the ‘free market’ and then you propose to put a cap on coaches salaries. One is free market, the other isn’t. Your proposal is a double standard, just a more equitable double standard than currently exists.

There is a big pool of money and it is generated by two men's sports: Football and basketball.

Currently most of the revenue goes to support women's athletics which are all money losers with women's basketball at best break even and a few men's sports that don't pay their way. A big chunk goes to college coaches outrageous salaries compared to unpaid athletes and the rest goes to the pencil pushers/regulators in athletic departments and running the Big10 and NCAA.

Reform is needed. Won't be decided on this board, but setting aside say 10% of the revenue for men's athletes in the money sports seems like a good idea. Letting the athletes profit from their name to some degree also makes sense.. Keeping a somewhat level playing field for all schools is also in the sport's best interests---revnue will go down if the same few schools are always winning. What JBO fails to mention/acknowledge is that the ncaa outlawing individual athletes profiting from their images/names is due to competitive reasons. The Big schools will end up paying the most and dominating and making for boring competition which kills the overall brand.