Jbo not impressed with NCAA swag bag, back at it on Twitter...

[Bulldogs1974]

You know this type of attitude is total bullshit right? Small colleges build their entire business model around student athletes and there is zero outside revenue. The tripping block you are getting caught on is the salary expense of the adults that somehow just need to make 3m a year as the head coach and 800k as an assistant coach. Coe college has a swim team but Iowa does not...what a truly ****ed up situation where Iowa is claiming poverty while paying how much to coaches? We have become so accustomed to the bullshit coming out of athletic departments that we believe a head football coach is worth 3m a year because of revenue. Would the fans stop being fans if our coach was paid 500k a year along with every other coach in the country? Nope. Why is the free market such a great deal for those coaches but somehow these young men are scum for demanding access to same market? Tell me as dabo makes 9m a year and archie gets 10m for getting fired....which market would demand their services without the universities and student athletes that employ them?

You know why? Because this is the same bullshit argument management has always used against labor that they don't want to pay while lining their own pockets. It is a bullshit argument and the sad part is the vast majority of fans buy into the lie that these people are worth what they get paid. Pull the curtain back and take a real hard look and ask why exactly these people should get paid more than the surgeons in the University hospital. By the way the hospital on our campus dwarfs athletics in terms of budget and revenue.

Let's stop the lies surrounding all of this. The purpose of a university and by extension any program associated with a university is primarily the advancement of knowledge and the development of people seeking that knowledge. Most of those people are young including these student athletes. That a couple sports can generate billions of dollars is wonderful but let's stop pretending that any of these coaches are worth 9m a year. The revenue generated wouldn't exist without the universities. Pay those coaches a nice salary well above what normal people make but truly that revenue belongs to the universities not the athletic department like it is some sort of separate entity. Stop spending 90m dollars on an end zone renovation and then cry about bit having enough money. Booster money can be directed and those schools that have that should absolutely do that bit tv and gate revenue or merchandise revenue? That belongs to the schools and should be used to first underwrite and endow the entire athletic mission not just give coaches more and more and more. It should second be used broadly to assist with the primary mission of the University

Salaries are generally not paid out of school funds same with endzone renovations.
Lets' not pretend these kids are not getting paid. They are and for the most part they are overcompensated.
Do the math: 180,000 scholarship athletes in the NCAA at and average of 75-100k per athlete is a lot of money. NIL will kill the lower end sports. Why did sports get cut in one year? Because there isn't as much money as people think there is.
Do coaches get overpaid. YES. all of them. But if you are worried about a coach overseeing a hundred million dollar sport like football is making millions, you should be really worried about the CEO's salaries.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

no one is on athletic scholarship at coe either.

There are way more than enough athletes to fill ncaa scholarships. If athletes don't like the model they can go the minor league route where they are truly exploited.
the poor me thinking has to stop.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

bohannon is a beneficiary of multigenerational scholarship benefit. Not to mention growing up in a lifestyle that was afforded to him in part of his fathers scholarship and connection to the university of iowa.

 

[hawkedoff]

no one is on athletic scholarship at coe either.

There are way more than enough athletes to fill ncaa scholarships. If athletes don't like the model they can go the minor league route where they are truly exploited.
the poor me thinking has to stop.

Great. Now apply that to the adults making millions. However would they get by if they weren't exploiting the student athletes. How can anyone including you day some inane bullshit about athletes getting enough and be ok with Dabo making 9m a year. That's just him by the way so add up all his other coaches. That is just clemson

 

[hawkedoff]

Salaries are generally not paid out of school funds same with endzone renovations.
Lets' not pretend these kids are not getting paid. They are and for the most part they are overcompensated.
Do the math: 180,000 scholarship athletes in the NCAA at and average of 75-100k per athlete is a lot of money. NIL will kill the lower end sports. Why did sports get cut in one year? Because there isn't as much money as people think there is.
Do coaches get overpaid. YES. all of them. But if you are worried about a coach overseeing a hundred million dollar sport like football is making millions, you should be really worried about the CEO's salaries.

It is ALL school funds. Where do these athletic departments reside? Using this logic let Kirk go start his own football team without the backing of the University of Iowa....think he still fills stadiums and makes 3m a year? Tell me how much money is enough for them because every time the revenue goes up football adds coaches or build ridiculous locker rooms with waterfalls. They are the tacky people that win the lottery and the spending needs to be reigned in dramatically. The entire premise is for the benefit of providing opportunity to students. It isnt to make adults millionaires on a level that generational wealth is created. Let those stupid athletes eat cake though right? How dare they not appreciate the store script we give them. I like the kicker on our football team that starts and is graduating with close to 100k in student debt. That doesn't feel insane to you? Or the athletic department at Iowa cutting sports because we just can't find the money and yet out head coach earns over 3m a year. His son makes how much as well? How much is enough for the adults as people like you tell young people they have more than they should.

The average cost per student athlete is not 75k a year. Not even close.

Which athletes are overpaid? Is the ones getting a hundred grand under the table because the market won't allow them to be paid above the line right now? Is the track athlete that gets 500 bucks a year? Which ones are overpaid?

 

[CEIABall]

It is ALL school funds. Where do these athletic departments reside? Using this logic let Kirk go start his own football team without the backing of the University of Iowa....think he still fills stadiums and makes 3m a year? Tell me how much money is enough for them because every time the revenue goes up football adds coaches or build ridiculous locker rooms with waterfalls. They are the tacky people that win the lottery and the spending needs to be reigned in dramatically. The entire premise is for the benefit of providing opportunity to students. It isnt to make adults millionaires on a level that generational wealth is created. Let those stupid athletes eat cake though right? How dare they not appreciate the store script we give them. I like the kicker on our football team that starts and is graduating with close to 100k in student debt. That doesn't feel insane to you? Or the athletic department at Iowa cutting sports because we just can't find the money and yet out head coach earns over 3m a year. His son makes how much as well? How much is enough for the adults as people like you tell young people they have more than they should.

The average cost per student athlete is not 75k a year. Not even close.

Which athletes are overpaid? Is the ones getting a hundred grand under the table because the market won't allow them to be paid above the line right now? Is the track athlete that gets 500 bucks a year? Which ones are overpaid?

You think the football program just spends all that money for nothing? You have to remain competitive. Every school understands football and basketball pay the bills and the only way to keep that money rolling in is to have a competitive team which requires good coaching which requires a lot of money in an open market and it requires great players which you have to recruit and facilities and accommodations play a big role in that and also a role in developing the players on the team. The money gets heavily invested in the revenue sports because they make the revenue very simple.

Lets say iowa just stopped heavy spending on basketball and football to accommodate the other sports more "equally" the football and basketball teams performance would fall off a cliff as we lose coaches and fall behind with recruiting and facilities and thus fan/donor support declines and everyone loses.

I'm fine with paying players but only the ones that actually help bring in revenue for a program that exceeds its costs!

 

[hawkedoff]

You think the football program just spends all that money for nothing? You have to remain competitive. Every school understands football and basketball pay the bills and the only way to keep that money rolling in is to have a competitive team which requires good coaching which requires a lot of money in an open market and it requires great players which you have to recruit and facilities and accommodations play a big role in that and also a role in developing the players on the team. The money gets heavily invested in the revenue sports because they make the revenue very simple.

Lets say iowa just stopped heavy spending on basketball and football to accommodate the other sports more "equally" the football and basketball teams performance would fall off a cliff as we lose coaches and fall behind with recruiting and facilities and thus fan/donor support declines and everyone loses.

I'm fine with paying players but only the ones that actually help bring in revenue for a program that exceeds its costs!

Yeah that is nonsense. We have a governing board called the ncaa but they are so busy putting money in their own pockets as well it has truly become out of hand. Athletics needs to be reigned in and reminded that they are not above the mission of the Universities. The football coach should not make more than a surgeon at the hospital. Neither should the athletic director. The arms race just keeps getting bigger in order to be competitive and it is a bullshit way to spend more and more while devaluing the tru purpose of these departments.

 

[CEIABall]

Yeah that is nonsense. We have a governing board called the ncaa but they are so busy putting money in their own pockets as well it has truly become out of hand. Athletics needs to be reigned in and reminded that they are not above the mission of the Universities. The football coach should not make more than a surgeon at the hospital. Neither should the athletic director. The arms race just keeps getting bigger in order to be competitive and it is a bullshit way to spend more and more while devaluing the tru purpose of these departments.

That's a very idealistic stance but if you are looking for the NCAA to put the clamps on the big spending for football and basketball then you can keep dreaming it will never ever happen.

 

[hawkedoff]

That's a very idealistic stance but if you are looking for the NCAA to put the clamps on the big spending for football and basketball then you can keep dreaming it will never ever happen.

Why not? Schools have been punched in the mouth this year and have realized just how fragile their business model remains. Of course it can change.

 

[CEIABall]

Why not? Schools have been punched in the mouth this year and have realized just how fragile their business model remains. Of course it can change.

Because the people that write the big checks don't want it to change.

 

[hawkedoff]

Because the people that write the big checks don't want it to change.

What big checks? What is a big check? TV revenue to Iowa tops like 30-40m a year. Every year. So which big check writer tops that every single year?

 

[CEIABall]

What big checks? What is a big check? TV revenue to Iowa tops like 30-40m a year. Every year. So which big check writer tops that every single year?

Right and all that is from football and basketball so explain to me again how that would make sense to put a cap on football and basketball spending when the bring in the tv revenue? And the other big check writers are the big donors who fund all those fancy renovations at football and basketball arenas and can even pay to have coaches fired/hired. Just look at archie miller, a single booster volunteered to pay his buyout and poof he was gone. And another booster is opening up his checkbook to pay for the new guy. These people have much more influence than i think you give them credit for.

 

[hawkedoff]

Right and all that is from football and basketball so explain to me again how that would make sense to put a cap on football and basketball spending when the bring in the tv revenue? And the other big check writers are the big donors who fund all those fancy renovations at football and basketball arenas and can even pay to have coaches fired/hired. Just look at archie miller, a single booster volunteered to pay his buyout and poof he was gone. And another booster is opening up his checkbook to pay for the new guy. These people have much more influence than i think you give them credit for.

Wrong.. that is from the University of Iowa. This programs are not independent and that is the point.

Those big donors have influence but that donor wasn't paying 10m every year. That other revenue is every single year.

 

[lonewolf52]

Don’t like it then quit! Thousands of other 18-22 year olds who would have loved to trade places.

But can they ball and shoot???

 

[CEIABall]

Wrong.. that is from the University of Iowa. This programs are not independent and that is the point.

Those big donors have influence but that donor wasn't paying 10m every year. That other revenue is every single year.

What do you suggest will happen to all the big coaching contracts that already exist when the NCAA legislates caps on their pay as u want? Think nick saban is just going to agree to take $1m instead of $10m suddenly? Also most of those big time renovations are paid for with donations specifically for those projects. Are you suggesting that would no longer be allowed? Donors wouldn't be able to stipulate how funds are used that they give? Good luck with that

 

[AuroraHawk]

They gave the players so much deodorant because of the ever growing number of players claiming that they are working in sweat shop conditions.

 

[lonewolf52]

What troubles me about this is that the NCAA does try to LOCK-UP athletes' ability to make money. Frankly, this doesn't even need to be nor should it be payment from the NCAA or the individual schools. BUT the popularity generated by individual players should be marketable. If I as a business owner, wants to contract with someone like Luka to do a commercial promoting my business, why shouldn't he be able to get that money?

Some will argue that is how these scandals work with Arizona and KU and such. However, a lot of that is because they break the rules that everyone else has to follow. Frankly, Iowa would have a nice advantage if this were to come to fruition as college athletes are much bigger celebrities in Iowa as opposed to places that compete with pro teams.

 

[hawkedoff]

What do you suggest will happen to all the big coaching contracts that already exist when the NCAA legislates caps on their pay as u want? Think nick saban is just going to agree to take $1m instead of $10m suddenly? Also most of those big time renovations are paid for with donations specifically for those projects. Are you suggesting that would no longer be allowed? Donors wouldn't be able to stipulate how funds are used that they give? Good luck with that

Let the contracts run out and put in the cap. Or simply pay them out with one time payments from the ncaa. If Nick saban wants to go to the nfl or retire so be it. As for donor money...that is donor money.it isn't like the biggest schools don't already have that advantage baked into it. Just pull it in the open. TV revenue, gate receipts, merchandise sales should be used by the University to first endow each athletic program so they don't rely on that money. That should include scholarships, coaches salaries, and things like travel expense. Once that is done and a proper inflation rate is adjusted for then the University should absorb that money for things like scholarships or other expenses to reduce the cost of education.

Athletic departments have demonstrated through this that they have been spending like drunken sailors with little reserves or planning for the future beyond we want to build more stuff and we want to get more money in our own pockets. Quite frankly it is disgusting.

Palaces being built in athletics is not something that should have ever happened but now that it has we need to address it. Generational wealth for being a coach shouldn't be a thing.

 

[CEIABall]

Let the contracts run out and put in the cap. Or simply pay them out with one time payments from the ncaa. If Nick saban wants to go to the nfl or retire so be it. As for donor money...that is donor money.it isn't like the biggest schools don't already have that advantage baked into it. Just pull it in the open. TV revenue, gate receipts, merchandise sales should be used by the University to first endow each athletic program so they don't rely on that money. That should include scholarships, coaches salaries, and things like travel expense. Once that is done and a proper inflation rate is adjusted for then the University should absorb that money for things like scholarships or other expenses to reduce the cost of education.

Athletic departments have demonstrated through this that they have been spending like drunken sailors with little reserves or planning for the future beyond we want to build more stuff and we want to get more money in our own pockets. Quite frankly it is disgusting.

Palaces being built in athletics is not something that should have ever happened but now that it has we need to address it. Generational wealth for being a coach shouldn't be a thing.

I don't necessarily hate your ideas i just acknowledge they will not happen.

 

[Eternal Return]

Bohannon is pretty entertaining to be honest. That was pretty funny. I don't get people being upset about this. He's stuck in quarantine bored out of his mind so he's amusing himself on some generic internet sports show. Seems benign overall.

 

[notlongago]

Awful comparison.

How the f**k would the NCAA decide WHO is worth WHAT on a college team?? They just gonna pay all guys the same? That won't work because some players are better than others.

The fight for "I don't get what [I think] i'm worth" would be never-ending and the sport would go STRAIGHT DOWN THE SHITTER.

Again, salary doesn't not equal NIL compensation. Why are people struggling to grasp this?

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Is the NCAA really making money on Bohannon’s likeness? I mean really, there are how many thousands of athletes in the NCAA?

 

[Hawkeyes4Life32]

Is the NCAA really making money on Bohannon’s likeness? I mean really, there are how many thousands of athletes in the NCAA?

Well he’s the starting PG on a top 5 team so he’s probably up there

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Well he’s the starting PG on a top 5 team so he’s probably up there

Of the revenue Iowa drives for the NCAA, I’d guess less than 30% of that is Men’s Basketball (most of the rest being Football). And of that I’d imagine ~85% of that is Garza through ESPN, individual awards, etc. I just don’t see much room for Bohannon making money for the NCAA. Replace Bohannon with John Lickliter and sure Iowa Basketball isn’t as good and lose a few more games, but bottom line does that impact the NCAA’s revenue? No.

 

[notlongago]

Of the revenue Iowa drives for the NCAA, I’d guess less than 30% of that is Men’s Basketball (most of the rest being Football). And of that I’d imagine ~85% of that is Garza through ESPN, individual awards, etc. I just don’t see much room for Bohannon making money for the NCAA. Replace Bohannon with John Lickliter and sure Iowa Basketball isn’t as good and lose a few more games, but bottom line does that impact the NCAA’s revenue? No.

"Id guess", "id imagine", "I just don't see"...sounds like you really don't know the subject you're speaking to.

 

[HawkInArk]

Again, salary doesn't not equal NIL compensation. Why are people struggling to grasp this?

So what exactly is upsetting Jordan regarding the NCAA/media not needing to ask for his permission to say his name on TV?

Now, if Jordan wants to promote his name b/c he would love to play host to a basketball camp where he pockets some of the fees being charged for admission? Yes, he should be able to do that this very moment while he's still a student-athlete.

What else is just "killing" some of these guys? Do they just assume they'd be getting endorsement deals and be asked to take part in marketing promotions that would yield them some cash flow?

In all honesty, i'm trying NOT to be ignorant about this NIL discussion, so my questions aren't meant to be read in a sarcastic light.

 

[sm_hawkeye]

If youre convinced this isn't somewhat entitled to poke fun at, than you can at least know it's distracting.

If I could I would ask Jordan how my players on champion rosters do you believe would sink time into doing interviews designed for comedy and entertainment. Most who excel narrow their goals. They don't worry about their podcast future or social media brand while trying to achieve something so few have the talent to even attempt.

Btw, most the big swag bags go to the teams that truly accomplish something in the tournament, like the elite 8. Title 9 may have got in the way but I remember when beats came out, elite 8 teams all warmed up with them.

 

[mlb1399]

Yeah that is nonsense. We have a governing board called the ncaa but they are so busy putting money in their own pockets as well it has truly become out of hand. Athletics needs to be reigned in and reminded that they are not above the mission of the Universities. The football coach should not make more than a surgeon at the hospital. Neither should the athletic director. The arms race just keeps getting bigger in order to be competitive and it is a bullshit way to spend more and more while devaluing the tru purpose of these departments.

You lost me when you used mission of the university and college football. One is an educational institution and the other is a big business under the guise of academics.

 

[hawkedoff]

You lost me when you used mission of the university and college football. One is an educational institution and the other is a big business under the guise of academics.

Wrong. The football team belongs to the University. If the football team set up I. Cedar Rapids as the Hawks literally no one would care or go to the games. The University is the reason these teams have an audience

 

[hawkedoff]

So what exactly is upsetting Jordan regarding the NCAA/media not needing to ask for his permission to say his name on TV?

Now, if Jordan wants to promote his name b/c he would love to play host to a basketball camp where he pockets some of the fees being charged for admission? Yes, he should be able to do that this very moment while he's still a student-athlete.

What else is just "killing" some of these guys? Do they just assume they'd be getting endorsement deals and be asked to take part in marketing promotions that would yield them some cash flow?

In all honesty, i'm trying NOT to be ignorant about this NIL discussion, so my questions aren't meant to be read in a sarcastic light.

They aren't able to profit at all off their greatest skill. That includes kids like austin ash that aren't on scholarship. A few hundred bucks might not seem like much but it is to a college kid paying their own way.

 

[HawkInArk]

They aren't able to profit at all off their greatest skill. That includes kids like austin ash that aren't on scholarship. A few hundred bucks might not seem like much but it is to a college kid paying their own way.

Ok, even if it's only a few hundred bucks, for what reason would said "few hundred bucks" be put in their pockets? ESPECIALLY guys like Austin Ash i.e. players that ride the bench 99.9% of the time.

 

[hawkedoff]

Ok, even if it's only a few hundred bucks, for what reason would said "few hundred bucks" be put in their pockets? ESPECIALLY guys like Austin Ash i.e. players that ride the bench 99.9% of the time.

Why not? Why shouldnt austin be able to make money off basketball?

 

[M3 ME PLEASE]

Nm

 

[HawkRugged17]

 

[HawkInArk]

Why not? Why shouldnt austin be able to make money off basketball?

No, he should, IF he's out there being proactive and maybe being entrepreneur-like by promoting something (basketball camp an example...) via his name if he were to believe his name would bring attendees followed by monetary gain.

But why should the NCAA just give them money simply for being a person part of a college basketball program?

Seems like people think these players should just be GIVEN money. Why??

 

[LeroyHawk]

It's not an either/or situation. Players have a point with the MILLIONS of dollars thrown around NCAA basketball and football.

I'm not sure I like paying players, but allowing players to earn some cash on their "fame" seems reasonable.

Like Geo Baker posted. Someone on a music scholarship can go sign a record deal.

How's it work for Iowa's "Golden Girl". She has a full scholarship... Is she restricted from being in a commercial and earning cash at a car dealership? Maybe she is restricted...I have know idea

I don't see an Alabama booster offering the Golden Girl 200k to shoot a Toyota dealership commercial. Top QB prospect, however...

How is that any different than the tried and true bag of money? If that happens, only the teams with the most generous boosters will be the ones winning titles!

 

[HawkRugged17]

As JBo battles the NCAA....

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Boy, this really worked out well for the Illini.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

"Id guess", "id imagine", "I just don't see"...sounds like you really don't know the subject you're speaking to.

It’s called assumption and speculation. There’s no way to quantify those figures because you’re dealing with non-quantifiable product. My point stands.

 

[denmar81]

Considering that the company who sponsors the bowl game supplies the bowl package, you would think that maybe the NCAA could have put some sort of package together from their corporate partners/sponsors. I’m sure that AT&T, Coca Cola, Capital One, BWW, Aflac, Lowe’s, Pizza Hut, Reese’s, Unilever, Nabisco, Wendy’s, etc. could have pooled their resources to put together a nice little package for each of the athletes

Maybe if the sponsors would pay less to the ad agencies for the dumb ass commercials they come up with they could give some of the extra cash for a better bag of goodies.

 

[hawkedoff]

No, he should, IF he's out there being proactive and maybe being entrepreneur-like by promoting something (basketball camp an example...) via his name if he were to believe his name would bring attendees followed by monetary gain.

But why should the NCAA just give them money simply for being a person part of a college basketball program?

Seems like people think these players should just be GIVEN money. Why??

I don't think the ncaa should just give them money but a guy like austin ash helping at and getting paid for a shooting clinic in rural Iowa? What not? He makes some cash for what he is good at and gets some love.

A kid in the baseball team helping with hitting practice and getting some money for tutoring a kid? Why not?

Some runner getting money from a local shoe store? Why shouldn't they get that?

Or pick a fan favorite having a sandwich names for them at a local restaurant and getting a cut of every sandwich sold?

Not everything has to make them rich but the truth is most of these kids are not getting full rides and are paying the majority of their own bill.