Jok vs Naz in College Slam 3-Point Contest
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Couldn't go wrong with either one to be honest.
Larry Bird was the only sure thing in a 3 point shoot out. "So who's coming in second?" Lol. That was Bird's line.
And he was right.
Larry Bird was the only sure thing in a 3 point shoot out. "So who's coming in second?" Lol. That was Bird's line.
And he was right.
Looks like Alford and Walton Jr. are in the mix too.
Great Clips Men’s 3-Point
Bryce Alford – UCLA
Torian Graham – Arizona State
Kris Jenkins – Villanova
Peter Jok – Iowa
Matt Jones – Duke
Nazareth Mitrou-Long – Iowa State
DeWayne Russell – Grand Canyon
Derrick Walton Jr. – Michigan
Great Clips Men’s 3-Point
Bryce Alford – UCLA
Torian Graham – Arizona State
Kris Jenkins – Villanova
Peter Jok – Iowa
Matt Jones – Duke
Nazareth Mitrou-Long – Iowa State
DeWayne Russell – Grand Canyon
Derrick Walton Jr. – Michigan
Whoever are the ones that select don't necessarily pick the best three point shooters but the ones who make the most. Naz has struggled with his three point shooting and was not even the best three point shooter on the Cyclone team.
I can understand if one player only made half as many threes at a higher rate but here are the percentages for Naz, Jok & Matt Thomas. Matt Thomas only made 9 less free throws that Naz but at a 6% higher rate.
Matt Thomas 35 games 89-200 for 44.5%
Naz Mitrou-Long 35 games 98-255 for 38.4%
Peter Jok 32 games 84-221 38.0%
There will probably be players with a lot higher season percentage but just like in the tournaments it is whoever is doing better that day.
In comparison Fred Hoiberg had the best NBA 3 point shooting percentage at +48 three point percentage his last year in the NBA but was the only player in NBA history to lead the league in that category and not be invited to the three point shoot out at the all star festivities. Naz was a very important part of the Cyclone team but to me Matt Thomas should have been invited over Naz and certainly over Jok because MT made more than Jok at a much higher percentage.
I can understand if one player only made half as many threes at a higher rate but here are the percentages for Naz, Jok & Matt Thomas. Matt Thomas only made 9 less free throws that Naz but at a 6% higher rate.
Matt Thomas 35 games 89-200 for 44.5%
Naz Mitrou-Long 35 games 98-255 for 38.4%
Peter Jok 32 games 84-221 38.0%
There will probably be players with a lot higher season percentage but just like in the tournaments it is whoever is doing better that day.
In comparison Fred Hoiberg had the best NBA 3 point shooting percentage at +48 three point percentage his last year in the NBA but was the only player in NBA history to lead the league in that category and not be invited to the three point shoot out at the all star festivities. Naz was a very important part of the Cyclone team but to me Matt Thomas should have been invited over Naz and certainly over Jok because MT made more than Jok at a much higher percentage.
Game 3 point shooting and 3 point shooting ala the 3 point contest are a little different. Usually, the guys who are streak shooters with quick releases are best at this competition, as obviously volume shooting/time is paramount.
I don't watch the Cyclones enough to have an intelligent opinion, so I guess I'd be interested in yours or any Cyclone fan who would like to weigh in for that matter (who isn't a mental midget troll and has something to add beyond "Jok Sucks" or something inane and stupid like that), but it seemed Naz took a lot of deep, ill-advised 3s this year where as Thomas was more of a "stay within the system" type of guy and hit a lot of open 3s that were good shots. I'm just basing that off the games I watched and not trying to pass it off as fact--again, I watched very little Iowa State basketball. So are my observations from a very small sample accurate or way off base?
Also, I would add I doubt Thomas was at the top of the list on many teams' scouting reports this year on how best to defend the Cyclones (which speaks to the number of offensive weapons they had this season), which may explain why he shot such a high percentage (while shooting 55 fewer than Naz according to your stats, because shooting 55 fewer is an important factor as well), which obviously would explain why he would get more open looks. My point? It's not necessarily the best measuring stick to determine who will or won't do well in a 3 point contest simply comparing percentages. FWIW, I think both Jok and Long are perfect for this competition. I'm not saying Thomas would suck, I have no idea, just making a point about some stats being misleading, and validating the reasons why Jok and Long were picked over someone like Thomas. Also, I would add Jok was more than just a 3 point specialist, he was a scorer--hence why he led the B1G in scoring. Why is that important? Because he's not just focusing on shooting 3 pointers. He's focusing on volume scoring, and yes, that does make a difference. If he was just out there to play the role of Kent McCausland (Hawkeye sharp shooter back in the old Dr. Tom days), I'm guessing he would have shot 50% like Kent did his senior year.
Oh, and btw, Jordan Bohannon, as a freshman, shot over 41% from 3. FYI. And for the record, yes, I get it, you were shooting for subtly, but anyone with a working brain (or who has witnessed your many past performances on here) could see you were making another feeble attempt at trying to discredit anything Iowa under the clandestine and intellectually dishonest guise of "logic." Kind of amazing you're still at it, lol, but to each their own.
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It looks like they went with the bigger names... If they had guys like Matt Thomas and Brady Ellingson in this, the casual fan wouldn't watch.
Joks 3pt% adjusted for shot selection and difficulty is 7262683626%
Matt Thomas > naz, at shooting the 3
Hope jok can be on that night and bring it home. Have the dvr set already.
Hope jok can be on that night and bring it home. Have the dvr set already.
I know the competition in the three point shooting is way different than in a game setting.
It doesn't matter how much a player practices for it just comes down to the player who is shooting the best that day.
Looks like Bryce Alford has the best credentials going in, but doubt if any here are rooting for him, ha.
Great Clips Men’s 3-Point
Bryce Alford – UCLA 116-270 for 43.0%
Torian Graham – Arizona State 108-279 for 38.7%
Kris Jenkins – Villanova 86-239 for 36.0%
Peter Jok – Iowa 84-221 for 38.0%
Matt Jones – Duke 50-146 for 34.2% only averages 7.0 pts. per game was 6th on his team-how did he get in?
Nazareth Mitrou-Long – Iowa State 98-255 for 38.4%
DeWayne Russell – Grand Canyon 57-131 for 39.7%
Derrick Walton Jr. – Michigan 98-232 for 42.2%
It doesn't matter how much a player practices for it just comes down to the player who is shooting the best that day.
Looks like Bryce Alford has the best credentials going in, but doubt if any here are rooting for him, ha.
Great Clips Men’s 3-Point
Bryce Alford – UCLA 116-270 for 43.0%
Torian Graham – Arizona State 108-279 for 38.7%
Kris Jenkins – Villanova 86-239 for 36.0%
Peter Jok – Iowa 84-221 for 38.0%
Matt Jones – Duke 50-146 for 34.2% only averages 7.0 pts. per game was 6th on his team-how did he get in?
Nazareth Mitrou-Long – Iowa State 98-255 for 38.4%
DeWayne Russell – Grand Canyon 57-131 for 39.7%
Derrick Walton Jr. – Michigan 98-232 for 42.2%
Where did you obtain this stat? Seems like it would be hard to calculate and be subjective...
Not my fault you can't math
Jok took a lot fewer shots than anyone but Walton, unknown Duke kid, and GC dude. Interesting.
Said the same thing. He needs a teammate to put a hand in his face. Kind of like the help in the slam dunk competition.
Saw a video on Twitter of Jok practicing. He went through two racks without missing. He is a set shooter which helps in these competitions. I think Long is more of a jump shooter which could lead to tired legs at the end.
If you are saying $50 bucks that he takes it home of those 8, that would be worth the bet for me. I'd be happy to take it. Anyone not named Naz wins and I get $50 bucks, sure, count me in.
I'll take that bet and take the field. Instead of $50 and how about if naz losses instead of $, which obviously you wouldn't pay, loser done posting on other teams board.
Clown fan back pedaling already. Raise your hand if you have seen this movie before? I have.
Technically you said Naz and even isu fans taking your bet because you weren't specific enough. Maybe if you challenge people and make a wager you'll learn your lesson and be more clear in the future. That being said I'll still bet you jok does better than Naz. And loser doesn't post on the other teams boards anymore. How bout it sport, is it a bet?
Matt Thomas is a better 3pt shooter than Naz and it's not even that close. Give me Thomas and Jok any day. Naz has been average to below average all year.
Well, that's certainly NOT what your post said. And I should send thumbbreakers to your house if Naz did not win the contest and you refused to pay. But, I'll give ya a break and take Jok over Naz.
How is Naz possibly going to get all the 3's off? After every one he makes, he has to jester to the crowd, hold three fingers up, raise his arms, act like he's calling somebody, act like he's eating cereal.... after he makes 3 the time will be up
Underrated post right here.
He'll have Morris there doing that for him. You know, something special planned.
If it doesn't turn out the clowns' way it will be because the refs stole it from them. I hear it already.
BOOOOOO
Can Jok get someone to get in his face? Dude could make some ridiculous shots that were contested.
There's NO BETTING at Bushwood!
txowan wouldn't pay up anyway.
txowan wouldn't pay up anyway.
Exactly why he hasn't returned. But if Naz wins he will be bragging saying I told you pay up, blah, blah. But to save face he hasn't posted yet and if jok does better he will be crying I never officially made that bet. Again txiowan how bout if jok does better no more Iowa boards and if your beloved Naz does stay of your clone boards.
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