They are not professional athletes and your insistence otherwise does not make it so. The rest of what you stated is a combination of conjecture and gibberish.
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Do they receive valuable compensation for playing a sporting game for Iowa? Indeed, aren't most NIL benefits, constitute compensation for playing a sport at Iowa? Isn't the receipt of that valuable compensation the very thing that makes them professionals? Unless you have some unique and unstated definition of what constitutes an amateur and a professional, or compensation or value, the receipt of money, or things of a specific economic value (e.g. a new Navigator) is the very fact that distinguish an amateur from a professional?
Your answers were just name calling the argument. I'll get back to "conjecture" and "gibberish" but first, are you capable of answering the three very specific and not particularly complex questions in any way other than an unqualified "yes"?
If you attempt to duck the questions, or answer them in an unserious manner, or just hurtle further insults, you really already have exposed yourself as simply an angry and not very bright asshole-because really just want to insult me and, this is actual conjecture but nonetheless well founded conjecture, I'm probably not your only victim. That personality type struggles with self esteem-they know they're dumb and it makes them angry when the extent of their monumental ****ing stupidity is exposed, and the kids all laugh at them. Are you that person or do you want to take a crack at intelligent discourse by answering the questions I asked above?
Your answers were just name calling the argument. I'll get back to "conjecture" and "gibberish" but first, are you capable of answering the three very specific and not particularly complex questions in any way other than an unqualified "yes"?
If you attempt to duck the questions, or answer them in an unserious manner, or just hurtle further insults, you really already have exposed yourself as simply an angry and not very bright asshole-because really just want to insult me and, this is actual conjecture but nonetheless well founded conjecture, I'm probably not your only victim. That personality type struggles with self esteem-they know they're dumb and it makes them angry when the extent of their monumental ****ing stupidity is exposed, and the kids all laugh at them. Are you that person or do you want to take a crack at intelligent discourse by answering the questions I asked above?
The University is not a professional sports organization. The student-athletes who enroll at Iowa are not professional athletes. They are subject to University admission and conduct standards; their eligibilty to play sports is governed by the NCAA - the National Collegiate Athletic Assocoation.
Payment for image and likeness does not de facto make college players professional athletes any more than a University of Iowa law student who receives NIL money is a licensed professional attorney.
I still make shitty financial decisions, but I also don't expect someone else to teach me that you probably shouldn't spend money as fast as you make it.
Every man on here has done something stupid for a girl/woman, frequently involving a waste of money. Most of the time we knew it was stupid when were doing it, but a long shot is better than no shot at all, right?
I cannot believe you are arguing this point. The #2, common usage definition of "professional" is
"engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime: "a professional boxer." I added the emphasis. You implicitly concede the player is a subcontractor. Someone else pays the athlete to play a sport for a specific school. That is specifically how, big picture, NIL works.
You are conflating or perhaps confusing "professional" with "employee". True, the players are not W2 employees. However, someone is paying them to play a sport for Iowa as their main occupation, unless guys like Kayden Proctor have some other way to earn a million a year at age 18. It's the receipt of money or other things of pecuniary value for performing a service that makes a "professional".
Your law student analogy also shows you are using a very limited specialized definition. Yes, there is a special legal category of licensed professionals, covering every profession from barbers to undertakers and every other "profession" for which one needs a license from the state. However, even that definition fails you because the definition of a "statutory professional" only applies those to the limited number of occupations that require specific training and public oversight.
So while the players aren't W2 employees, the University has a 3rd party pay them to play sports for the University. The player still gets paid, with money, cars, future contract benefits, etc... for playing sports, which by definition means its no longer a pastime or hobby.
"engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime: "a professional boxer." I added the emphasis. You implicitly concede the player is a subcontractor. Someone else pays the athlete to play a sport for a specific school. That is specifically how, big picture, NIL works.
You are conflating or perhaps confusing "professional" with "employee". True, the players are not W2 employees. However, someone is paying them to play a sport for Iowa as their main occupation, unless guys like Kayden Proctor have some other way to earn a million a year at age 18. It's the receipt of money or other things of pecuniary value for performing a service that makes a "professional".
Your law student analogy also shows you are using a very limited specialized definition. Yes, there is a special legal category of licensed professionals, covering every profession from barbers to undertakers and every other "profession" for which one needs a license from the state. However, even that definition fails you because the definition of a "statutory professional" only applies those to the limited number of occupations that require specific training and public oversight.
So while the players aren't W2 employees, the University has a 3rd party pay them to play sports for the University. The player still gets paid, with money, cars, future contract benefits, etc... for playing sports, which by definition means its no longer a pastime or hobby.
I haven't read the whole convo, but to say future players aren't pro athletes is simply incorrect.
Sounds like you’re advocating Socialism 🤔 never saw that coming from you 😂😂
Seriously, did you actually attend the U of Iowa, or complete any bachelor program anywhere? Are you even really out of HS?
It really is this simple.
No need to get angry, dog. You're argument is kind of silly but I do appreciate you sharing it.
Well I am too tired to pursue this further, trying to avoid demanding silence from the ocean. Afterall, what's the prize for besting a fool. You are that fool.
You're excused. Case closed. Court is adjourned. Now hit the books/
