Kamala Harris receives worst vice presidential rating in NBC News poll's history

[hawkifann]

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Kamala Harris receives worst vice presidential rating in NBC News poll's history

Vice President Kamala Harris received the worst rating of any vice president since NBC News began asking respondents the question in its poll decades before.

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I’m not a fan of hers and this is not a defense, but I would literally have no idea how to rate VPs. The very nature of the position means that 95%+ of what they do is behind the scenes. In my lifetime as a voter, the VPs have been Gore, Gore, Cheney, Cheney, Biden, Biden, Pence, Harris. I wouldn’t have any idea how to effectively rate their work. I have ideas - Cheney was probably way too visible, for instance, and Pence didn’t seem to be much of a balance on Trump, but no idea how I’d even begin to rank them.

But “WORST IN HISTORY” sells, baby.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

That’s kind of the point. With Joe’s age being a factor for a lot of voters, wouldn’t it be beneficial to show there is a competent person waiting in the wings should the need arise? Get her out and visible and if she isn’t a ditz, then show it…

Maybe, but I don't know if I really care about the desires of anyone that is that worried about who the vice president may be, especially when it seems to matter so selectively.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

It's now seen as a stepping stone to the Presidency...that hasn't always been the case.

After the founding some big hitters like Thomas Jefferson took the job but there was basically a century of no names in the position after that....

Bro, the second POTUS was the first VP, and the last VP to be POTUS was LBJ.

Edit; sorry forgot about Bush

 

[lucas80]

The people who voted Harris as the worst are itching for the chance to fap to VP Kari Lake, or VP MTG. That’s the scale Northern, and apparently Bins, are using.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Maybe, but I don't know if I really care about the desires of anyone that is that worried about who the vice president may be, especially when it seems to matter so selectively.

Normally it isn’t high on the list. Joe is old, no denying it and it does factor in whether you personally are concerned or not…

 

[IamHawkeye]

Interestingly, the “history of the United States” encompasses the past 25 years or so......Holy Spiro Agnew!
But this is a great catch by Northern...probably just the first of many today.

What VP said being a VP was'n't worth a bag of spit?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Bro, the second POTUS was the first VP, and the last VP to be POTUS was LBJ.

It's now seen as a stepping stone to the Presidency...that hasn't always been the case.

After the founding some big hitters like Thomas Jefferson took the job but there was basically a century of no names in the position after that....

The last VP to be President was Bush 1

 

[joelbc1]

What VP said being a VP was'n't worth a bag of spit?

Was it LBJ?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Normally it isn’t high on the list. Joe is old, no denying it and it does factor in whether you personally are concerned or not…

Most have been old, including almost all from my lifetime.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

The last VP to be President was Bush 1

Yeah I just remembered him.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Ahh, the most common slur thrown against women. She slept he way into every job she’s ever had. AG of California. US Senator. VP of the United States. That line of attack is quite common amongst people of low accomplishment.

Not a slur, it’s a fact dummy.

 

[Hawkman34]

She is an utter disaster. And, is the worst in my lifetime. It is amazing how ANYONE could even say otherwise. I have said it before and I will say it again....I want Biden, Trump AND Harris to go away FOREVER!!!

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Most have been old, including almost all from my lifetime.

If Biden wins again, he will be the oldest president at the start of his term by 12 years. Clinton, W and Barack were all in their 40’s and 50’s. Thirty plus years younger than Joe. Trump was 70. Joe will be 82…

 

[abby97]

Abby...you better drink that first cup of coffee, buddyboy! Where and when have I ever said this? Have you been hiding in my pajamas again?

Are you claiming you don't believe in climate change?

 

[hawkifann]

It's now seen as a stepping stone to the Presidency...that hasn't always been the case.

After the founding some big hitters like Thomas Jefferson took the job but there was basically a century of no names in the position after that....

But is it really a stepping stone? Looking back at the last 15 VPs before Harris:

• Mike Pence
• Joe Biden
• Dick Cheney
• Al Gore
• Dan Quayle
• George HW Bush
• Walter Mondale
• Nelson Rockefeller
• Gerald Ford
• Spiro Agnew
• Hubert Humphrey
• Lyndon Johnson
• Richard Nixon
• Alben Barkley
• Harry Truman

That takes us back to WWII, so a solid slice of history. Six of the 15 VPs eventually served as POTUS, but Truman, Johnson & Ford all initially took office due to POTUS death or resignation. Truman & Johnson each won subsequent elections, but it’s very different running as incumbent.

There are a couple “stepping stone” VPs - Richard Nixon and GHW Bush, plus Gore was on that track, but lost in 2000, never to be a serious candidate again. I do think Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016, but he wasn’t really an heir apparent with HRC waiting in the wings.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

But is it really a stepping stone? Looking back at the last 15 VPs before Harris:

• Mike Pence
• Joe Biden
• Dick Cheney
• Al Gore
• Dan Quayle
• George HW Bush
• Walter Mondale
• Nelson Rockefeller
• Gerald Ford
• Spiro Agnew
• Hubert Humphrey
• Lyndon Johnson
• Richard Nixon
• Alben Barkley
• Harry Truman

That takes us back to WWII, so a solid slice of history. Six of the 15 VPs eventually served as POTUS, but Truman, Johnson & Ford all initially took office due to POTUS death or resignation. Truman & Johnson each won subsequent elections, but it’s very different running as incumbent.

There are a couple “stepping stone” VPs - Richard Nixon and GHW Bush, plus Gore was on that track, but lost in 2000, never to be a serious candidate again. I do think Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016, but he wasn’t really an heir apparent with HRC waiting in the wings.

Solid points. Just think the job is seen differently now....but can't argue your point.

 

[hawkifann]

Most have been old, including almost all from my lifetime.

Old? Clinton, W and Obama were all elected in their 40s.

 

[lucas80]

People who hate Harris also hate Pence for repeatedly asking questions versus taking part in the coup.
So, there you have it. Pence is the greatest modern VP because he cautiously decided after 3-4 experts told him he couldn’t unilaterally overturn an election that he’d land on the side of democracy.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Old? Clinton, W and Obama were all elected in their 40s.

And Reagan, Bush, Trump and Biden were all at or past retirement age. 4 olds > 3 middle-aged.

 

[joelbc1]

Are you claiming you don't believe in climate change?

Where would you get the idea I do? I do believe the climate is changing. I believe man’s lifestyle has a role in the change to an extent. I don’t think alternatives being used and researched are any type of conspiracy, however. I think any move away from fossil fuels is probably a good thing as opposed to being a bad thing. I believe solar and nuclear power sources are key.

 

[hawkifann]

And Reagan, Bush, Trump and Biden were all at or past retirement age. 4 olds > 3 middle-aged.

4/7 isn’t typically “almost all”. It’s like saying a World Series game 7 win constitutes “practically a sweep”.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

She is an utter disaster. And, is the worst in my lifetime. It is amazing how ANYONE could even say otherwise. I have said it before and I will say it again....I want Biden, Trump AND Harris to go away FOREVER!!!

Cheney shot a guy in the face with a shotgun and helped orchestrate 2 wars.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

4/7 isn’t typically “almost all”. It’s like saying a World Series game 7 win constitutes “practically a sweep”.

Ok, buddy. Keep up the good pedantry.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

If Biden wins again, he will be the oldest president at the start of his term by 12 years. Clinton, W and Barack were all in their 40’s and 50’s. Thirty plus years younger than Joe. Trump was 70. Joe will be 82…

This is why the VP matters this time around, no matter how much people want to ignore it.
Matters on the GOP side as well, if Trump is the nominee. He’s no spring chicken.

 

[hawkifann]

Ok, buddy. Keep up the good pedantry.

I don’t always remember how old everyone is, but there were 24 consecutive years of POTUS that were elected at prime or young ages.

Either way, I hope Biden is our last Boomer POTUS. It’s well-past time to stop fishing in that pond.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Was it LBJ?

John Nance Garner was the VP.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I don’t always remember how old everyone is, but there were 24 consecutive years of POTUS that were elected at prime or young ages.

Either way, I hope Biden is our last Boomer POTUS. It’s well-past time to stop fishing in that pond.

They won't give up that easily. They're the true greatest generation, just ask them.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

I didn't read the original post or anything in this thread, but really, how the f* do you rate vice presidents? They literally do nothing of consequence except break ties in the Senate and wait for the President to die. No VP has ever made an important decision. George HW Bush sat around and did absolutely nothing for 8 years under Reagan and no one cared; I didn't even know what he looked like. Where did he rank?

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

And Reagan, Bush, Trump and Biden were all at or past retirement age. 4 olds > 3 middle-aged.

Bush was 64. If it’s Joe again that would make George 18 years younger…. Not old compared to Joe. I’ll give you Trump and Reagan.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Not a slur, it’s a fact dummy.

So slept with all those voters?

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Bro, the second POTUS was the first VP, and the last VP to be POTUS was LBJ.

Edit; sorry forgot about Bush

Gerald Ford says hello too. (After LBJ, prior to Bush 1)

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

I don’t always remember how old everyone is, but there were 24 consecutive years of POTUS that were elected at prime or young ages.

Either way, I hope Biden is our last Boomer POTUS. It’s well-past time to stop fishing in that pond.

?? FYI...the youngest Boomers would be 58 or 59 now, so I wouldn't want to exclude everyone in that group. Also, Biden isn't a Boomer, he is from the generation known as The Silent Generation. Trump barely makes it as a Boomer too, FWIW, he is at the extreme oldest age of those considered Boomers.

I know it is chic these days to diss Boomers, but you should pay closer attention to the facts before lumping so many millions together.

 

[abby97]

Where would you get the idea I do? I do believe the climate is changing. I believe man’s lifestyle has a role in the change to an extent. I don’t think alternatives being used and researched are any type of conspiracy, however. I think any move away from fossil fuels is probably a good thing as opposed to being a bad thing. I believe solar and nuclear power sources are key.

So as I assumed, you believe in man made climate change. So your condemnation of the VP popularity poll is hypocritical, flawed and nonsensical. I appreciate the admission and validation that I was right, AGAIN.

 

[hawkifann]

?? FYI...the youngest Boomers would be 58 or 59 now, so I wouldn't want to exclude everyone in that group. Also, Biden isn't a Boomer, he is from the generation known as The Silent Generation. Trump barely makes it as a Boomer too, FWIW, he is at the extreme oldest age of those considered Boomers.

I know it is chic these days to diss Boomers, but you should pay closer attention to the facts before lumping so many millions together.

Yes, Biden is older and that was a miss on my part, forgot he was actually so old he was out of that generation. Still, I think the point holds.

 

[ICHawk-I]

I don't recall a VP in my lifetime that was known for being a good VP, either you didn't do anything and no one knew anything about you other than your name, or you were known for not being able to spell or warmongering.

VP has one job outside of backup POTUS, and that only comes into play when the Senate is equally divided. Hard to give a job rating when there isn't much of a job record to go on.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Back before that day

Without looking who were FDR's vice presidents before Truman?

Wallace

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Yes, Biden is older and that was a miss on my part, forgot he was actually so old he was out of that generation. Still, I think the point holds.

Actually, I don't think your point does hold. As I said, Boomers go all the way down to 58 or 59. I would prefer that we elect a POTUS that is actually experienced and has a lifetime of accomplishments to their credit. Something that a wide raft of people in their late 50's and throughout their 60's could offer.

I too don't think it is wise to be electing folks in their late 70's and even into their 80's, but I wouldn't want to exclude all of the people, that would be "young" Boomers, so as to do so. I think you are painting with a very wide brush here, FWIW.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Gerald Ford says hello too. (After LBJ, prior to Bush 1)

I'm sorry, I was speaking about those elected. Either way it doesn't really matter, because I was mistaken about a few.

Nixon is one of those guys. LBJ, HW Bush, Truman as well. The point was about the VP office being considered a stepping-stone to POTUS, and just looking at the timeline, that seems to be a thing of the past(if it ever was all that accurate).

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I'm sorry, I was speaking about those elected. Either way it doesn't really matter, because I was mistaken about a few.

Nixon is one of those guys. LBJ, HW Bush, Truman as well. The point was about the VP office being considered a stepping-stone to POTUS, and just looking at the timeline, that seems to be a thing of the past(if it ever was all that accurate).

Do you think President Biden makes it to 86, with all his faculties intact?

 

[Pete Malloy]

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Kamala Harris receives worst vice presidential rating in NBC News poll's history

Vice President Kamala Harris received the worst rating of any vice president since NBC News began asking respondents the question in its poll decades before.

www.foxnews.com

Not surprised she was a minority hiring, she wasn't chosen because she was qualified.