Kamala Harris receives worst vice presidential rating in NBC News poll's history
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Can’t we make sure neither sniff the Oval Office?
I don't think he assumed the role of VP with all his "faculties intact".
Cool. I would say that the VP position has largely not been a stepping stone to the top spot, so I think we would agree on that. But...when the #1 is 80+ AND frail...then who the VP is takes on a whole new meaning, IMO.
I think it certainly was a stepping stone early on, when the POTUS runner-up became VP. Adams and Jefferson were the first two VPs and were also the 2nd and 3rd POTUS, but then Jefferson changed how all that worked and it’s been sporadic since. Without going back and looking at the actual math, I would think Senator and Governor are much more stepping stone positions historically than VP, but there have certainly been a number of VPs who won election.
Joe is much older than candidates in the past and that makes the vp he chooses much more important. You don’t seem concerned with either one and that’s your prerogative. And not all candidates in the last 30 years are considered old compared to Joe.
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This is funny to me. Any conversation about generations of people is going to be lumping millions of people together, poorly or in a self serving manner. I wouldn't take it so literally when people are critical of an entire generation.
Yeah, she slept her way to all those election wins as district attorney, attorney general and senator. Solid take, dipshit. I'm not a huge fan of hers but to imply she isn't very smart and accomplished is ridiculous
You are absolutely correct. I am not concerned with the POTUS dying of natural causes while in office at all.
He's probably just as likely to get assassinated as he is to die of nature causes. It's a dangerous job.
Sure, whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
There are a ton of "concerns" when selecting the most powerful person in the world. This is not one for me, and I very much doubt it's as concerning for many here as they are presenting.
It’s just a discussion.
Doesn’t bother you, that’s great.
Bothers me a lot. I don’t think Biden has any business running for re-election.
But we can all agree on some things and disagree on others.
Meh, FDR was as close to death as humanly possible when elected to a 4th term, with a new VP that had almost zero respect among his peers and no real outstanding achievements.
If Biden dies and Harris has to preside for the rest of a term, it won't be nearly as dramatic as the FDR death. Sh!t, it probably wouldn't even be as interesting as when Reagan's cabinet declined to invoke the 25th after the man had been shot in the chest.
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She would become a problem only because we’re the dumbest electorate in the world.Kamala only becomes a problem if Trump isn't the nominee.
Since he's toast in the document case that's a real possibility. Maybe Joe needs to push her down a flight of stairs
LOL at people who think if Kamala had to be POTUS for a couple of years that she would destroy the country. She can’t possibly do worse than the Republicans who have been in office in my lifetime. It’s a guarantee that she would have a less corrupt administration. She might tie the first Bush. She would be fine. She’s beehated more than any VP from the start. I wonder why. American voters just dismiss that so freely.
Sugar coat it all you want....she wasn't even popular with Democrats in 2020, didn't make it to the first Primary.
This is kind of an aside from the thread, but my last post about stepping stones for POTUS got me curious, and since I really don’t want to work on my work project right now, I decided to go down the rabbit hole. I looked at POTUS leadership background and looked at US national elected office, VP, General or higher in the military, state governor, Secretary of State (a definite early stepping stone in this country) and a few outliers and here’s how it broke out. Ranked by the number of POTUS who previously served in these roles (note: many POTUS check multiple boxes, especially with US House of Reps):
- 19 - US House of Representatives: While this category is the biggest, the vast majority of POTUS who checked this box also served as a governor or senator before being elected POTUS. Only Abraham Lincoln and James Garfield had only the House on their resume prior to being elected.
- 17 - Governor
- 16 - Senator
- 15 - Vice President (8 of those initially took office upon the death or resignation of the sitting POTUS, only 3 were elected to terms of their own)
- 6 - Secretary of State: POTUS #3, 4, 5, 6, 8 & 15 all served as SoS prior to being elected. This was clearly a big deal in the early days of the nation, but there hasn’t been one since
- 4 - General/Higher Military background: Washington, Taylor, Grant, Eisenhower
- Taft: Was Chief Justice of SCOTUS prior to being elected POTUS
- Hoover: Government experience was mostly a variety of cabinet positions
- Trump: Maybe the ultimate outlier
There is good reason to suggest that her relationship with Willie Brown only hurt her ambitions.
Remember she was elected to the post. It's not like Willie Brown appointed her.
Now her flaming out in the Dem primaries I do hold against her in that I don't think she should be the Dem nominee in the future.
Crap, I forgot to add that category (there were actually 4) - I did allude to it early in my post. I’ll fix. Thanks for the callout.
George Washington and Andrew Jackson
She’s not my first choice but to think she would cause significant damage to America, especially coming from righties, is laughable. But again, we’re a populace full of idiots who vote for people for a lot of superficial reasons. Hell, The Rock would be POTUS if he ran. Because idiots.
I left Jackson out because I was looking at those who got to office on the backs of their military career. Jackson could be included, though. After his military service, he was elected to office in the House and was later a Senator, so he definitely converted to a more traditional politician career prior to POTUS.
We're strictly talking electability here Tom...at least I am.
She's a problem on that front.
Put it this way...if for some reason Joe falls out (health) are you confident Harris would win v anyone but Trump?
Oh I agree. She’s been despised from the start. I wish she would step down because of how she’s perceived. But again, she’s getting a terrible rap that she really hasn’t earned. Other Democrats running for President in 2020 didn’t get 2% either but she gets that thrown in her face. It was going to be Biden once he jumped in. Because she is such a negative to many he would be better off with someone else. He just can’t do that because he’ll get ripped for it. Stay the course I guess.
I really can’t see a scenario where Harris would be the party nominee. She got crushed last time around in the primaries and I don’t think she’s especially popular. If Harris wound up taking over the end of this term, I think it would open the door wide open for a new battle with some of the people from last time plus new faces like Gavin Newsome and maybe Michelle Obama.
I’ve thought since Biden was first elected that he wouldn’t be the 2024 nominee, either, but him running and Trump potentially on the other side has me less confident in that than ever. Biden-Trump 2 will be a colossal shitshow.
Because stupid stupid voters. Independent voters will jump right back towards do nothing Republicans that replace Trump. Sure as ice cream is cold.
To be fair I think the same thing could be said of Washington because he was politically involved in the early life of the country including the constitutional convention.
Ehh if Biden died with no time to put together a competitive primary she would be the nominee.
Well, he’s hard to categorize since there was no country before that, so he’s certainly not any indicator of what would prove to be major stepping stones. I took the simple step of looking at those first 5 POTUS based on what they did as a part of this country and declared Washington=General, Adams=VP, Jefferson=VP+SoS and went from there. These guys all had more complex pasts in what’s obviously a really unique time in this country.
That’s reasonable. Personally I think Klobuchar was the obvious choice but what’s done is done.
Well, I guess that’s the one scenario. Even then, though, I still think Harris would have challengers. His death would have to be very late in the game…and I’m not even sure what would happen with ballots, given various date deadlines for getting candidates on the ballot. If Biden has already been formally nominated and then passed, I think his 2024 VP candidate would actually become the top dog, and we’ll see if that’s Harris.
I recall this thread from a time not long ago.
This serves as lesson that we should all endeavor to hire the best people...PERIOD!
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This serves as lesson that we should all endeavor to hire the best people...PERIOD!
Today...
...is the last day a woman has never been vice president. The next time President Biden addresses a joint session of Congress, two women will be seated behind him. This may seem dumb to some of you but it's a really big deal for me and for my daughters to see women in positions of power...
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Hey Einstein, we have data going back ten's-hundred's of millions of years, but since you have the scientific knowledge of a 3rd grader I wouldn't expect you to know or much less have the intellect to understand Climate Change theory
To be fair I think the earliest primaries start in like Feb of 2024 and I doubt they would be able to add candidates in the middle of it. These things don't get put together last minute.
So honestly if Biden dies anytime in 2024, Harris is probably the nominee.
A thing a lot of people forget when it comes to VP's is that once you pick one you are kind of stuck with them. Because today people would view a change in VP (or a person other than the VP stepping in when a incumbant president running for re-election dies), that would be viewed as an admission that a mistake was made in selecting that person in the first place. And you can't really admit mistakes in politics, especially not mistakes at that level.
I recall this thread from a time not long ago.
This serves as lesson that we should all endeavor to hire the best people...PERIOD!
Today...
...is the last day a woman has never been vice president. The next time President Biden addresses a joint session of Congress, two women will be seated behind him. This may seem dumb to some of you but it's a really big deal for me and for my daughters to see women in positions of power...
How would anyone be able to quantify what is "the best" candidate for VP?
