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I was referring to posters who have been claiming this was politically motivated. If you're not one of those posters, then don't worry about my post. It just seems like people are becoming so crazy about this that they're having to make it part of a larger discussion.
This must be your first day on the board, welcome. Just FYI, he posted the same boring argument that's been posted a million times, no matter if we're talking about opening schools or playing football, or anything else. And I'll give the usually well thought out response to his statement. Blah, Blah, it's just the flu, Blah Blah.
I didn't start out that way (politically motivated reasons for cancelling football) but when a vacuum of information exists, conspiracies go from the loony tunes category to the only thing that makes any sense. This week saw the number of people hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms across the U.S. back to the level seen the week of March 21, about 9 days after the cancellation of the Big 10 basketball tournament. At what point does it become "safe" for normal life to continue? There will likely never be a time in the next 1-2 years where the cases and hospitalizations from COVID is ZERO across the country, which seems to be the standard for getting our lives back.
ask Commish Warren, we all want to know that answerHow is playing FB have anything to do with the election?
Political at its origin, probably not. Political side chosen and used, absolutely. Even the most liberal of college presidents have to understand the value of the money that is generated by football. I would hope so, anyway, because this decision will change the college environment for years to come. Numerous local businesses that struggled to get through the spring and summer shut downs, will now lose another revenue opportunity. Millions of dollars come into towns like Iowa City each football weekend. Nothing new here I know.So now you're saying you think it is politically motivated?
The real damage hasn't even begun. Tax revenues falling off a cliff due to Michigan Ave and the surrounding streets being boarded up from looting (2x) could very well be the end of Chicago as we know it. That area alone generates 40% of the city's tax revenues and without a bailout (which we shouldn't get), this city is on a fast track to becoming Detroit. An exodus to the suburbs is already underway for homeowners and you have to wonder how many and how soon businesses will follow.Minneapolis, Chicago, Portland, and Seattle have all suffered some damage, so that should save you a little time in catching up on the news.
So, you have nothing.ask Commish Warren, we all want to know that answer
Sad that one of the great city's is spiraling down so fast, but elections have consequences and this new mayor is something special.The real damage hasn't even begun. Tax revenues falling off a cliff due to Michigan Ave and the surrounding streets being boarded up from looting (2x) could very well be the end of Chicago as we know it. That area alone generates 40% of the cities tax revenues and without a bailout (which we shouldn't get), this city is on a fast track to becoming Detroit. An exodus to the suburbs is already underway for homeowners and you have to wonder how many and how soon businesses will follow.
So, you have nothing.
So now you're saying you think it is politically motivated?
To imagine it couldn't have been politicaly motivated is significantly less coherent than accusing others of imagining it must have been a conspiracy, despite the fact that nobody other than you (well, perhaps acouple other apologists for failure) ever referred to it as a "conspiracy".
Just to be clear, I’m not defending Warren, I just think it’s odd for some to think this is all political. If you continue down this path of thinking, you will get paranoid and everything will be political in your mind. Now would be a good time to stop the cycle.
No, not really. The lunacy is believing that protecting against a worldwide pandemic is some sort of political move against Trump. It's not and there is no evidence of it being so. So, stop with the made up drama.I don't think it is the least bit odd that you began referring to others characterizations as a "conspiracy theory", but have now reverted to referring to their characterizations as "politically motivated". That's the sort of thing that invariably happens when you get caught using a straw man to buttress an indefensible position.
excellent post , so true.I don't really laugh at other's conspiracies, I'm more concerned about it because it can be damaging for them. To think the B10 commissioner is doing this for political reasons is just odd. Anyone who feels that way should take a break.
you said destroyed drama queen .Minneapolis, Chicago, Portland, and Seattle have all suffered some damage, so that should save you a little time in catching up on the news.
I wonder if that is in his job description?Wow, do you need his dog whistles to be bull horns? "peaceful protests" we can all see how peaceful they've been, "preventing voter suppression" another marxist talking point meaning make sure we can continue with our voter fraud schemes...... Commissioner should NOT be a political position in any way.
Political at its origin, probably not. Political side chosen and used, absolutely. Even the most liberal of college presidents have to understand the value of the money that is generated by football. I would hope so, anyway, because this decision will change the college environment for years to come. Numerous local businesses that struggled to get through the spring and summer shut downs, will now lose another revenue opportunity. Millions of dollars come into towns like Iowa City each football weekend. Nothing new here I know.
maybe he is trying to buy some time hoping that the pandemic slows way way down . you really are a conspiracy nutjob , dont feel bad you are not alone .Hey soybean, if this fraud of a commissioner isn't being political, how is it that he is now discussing playing football in the spring? (after the election) Will we have a cure in January? What safety protocol can be employed then and not now? Huh.......
his son is old enough he probably cant stop him from playing .Do you not find ANY issue with Warren's son still playing at MS State? Or did we all miss the memo that he is pulling his son from competition this year?
dont feel bad if you dont get an answer . i have asked that question 3 times and have not got an answer yet .How is playing FB have anything to do with the election?
but your whole thought process on this is conspiracy based .If you want to invent straw men, be my guest, but I never said anything about a conspiracy.
Is there any tale of flying pigs so absurd it can't be used to exploit you?
No, not really. The lunacy is believing that protecting against a worldwide pandemic is some sort of political move against Trump. It's not and there is no evidence of it being so. So, stop with the made up drama.
but your whole thought process on this is conspiracy based .
Because there was no reason to cancel the season when he did. He actively campaigned for school presidents to vote to close even though every AD in the B1G wanted to at least give it more time. He failed to coordinate with the SEC, ACC and Big 12 and now has the B1G and their athletes isolated and disadvantaged vs athletes at other schools and B1G athletic departments are disadvantaged vs those in other conferences. He has failed to articulate his reasons for the shutdown in a way that makes any sense, in fact his remaining in hiding has fueled speculation that has further damaged the B1G.I dont get why Warren is getting all the heat for the Presidents decision.
There is literally no win here for anyone. I get it, no one is happy, but scapegoating Warren wont help.
I would like to agree, but please provide a coherent explanation for cancelling a season in the fall outside and then in the same breath saying we would like to play in the middle of winter indoors. What will have changed? Nobody in their right mind believes there will be a cure or vacine given to healthty young men by January. Then the same commish that called off the season goes on a lefty rant about voting, and woke talking points. I'm sorry it appears political to me.Just to be clear, I’m not defending Warren, I just think it’s odd for some to think this is all political. If you continue down this path of thinking, you will get paranoid and everything will be political in your mind. Now would be a good time to stop the cycle.
No, it's incompetence based. Only you and sb refer to it as a conspiracy.
I think none of us can say for sure exactly what Warren was thinking, which is part of the problem. Personally, do I think this is all politically motivated? Probably not. BUT he is trying to push his liberal political agenda as part of all this, which annoys people, because we just want sports, I don't care what his politics are. I think it's more likely that politics had more of an influence in his decision than even he realizes though. It seems those on the liberal side of the fence are eager to blame Trump for all of this and fully buy into all of the media hype and fear mongering. If you watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you are going to make decisions based on some of the garbage they are spewing. And the same can be said if he were watching Fox News all day.Just to be clear, I’m not defending Warren, I just think it’s odd for some to think this is all political. If you continue down this path of thinking, you will get paranoid and everything will be political in your mind. Now would be a good time to stop the cycle.
Just curious, do you believe any of the other conspiracies that trump likes to promote, like the virus was political? The CDC is holding things up for political reasons?
When you follow a person who opening promotes conspiracies theories (almost daily) then you yourself have no choice but to start believing in conspiracies. And now you're seeing them everywhere you look.
I would like to agree, but please provide a coherent explanation for cancelling a season in the fall outside and then in the same breath saying we would like to play in the middle of winter indoors. What will have changed? Nobody in their right mind believes there will be a cure or vacine given to healthty young men by January. Then the same commish that called off the season goes on a lefty rant about voting, and woke talking points. I'm sorry it appears political to me.
I didn't start out that way (politically motivated reasons for cancelling football) but when a vacuum of information exists, conspiracies go from the loony tunes category to the only thing that makes any sense. This week saw the number of people hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms across the U.S. back to the level seen the week of March 21, about 9 days after the cancellation of the Big 10 basketball tournament. At what point does it become "safe" for normal life to continue? There will likely never be a time in the next 1-2 years where the cases and hospitalizations from COVID is ZERO across the country, which seems to be the standard for getting our lives back.
Just curious, do you believe any of the other conspiracies that trump likes to promote, like the virus was political? The CDC is holding things up for political reasons?
When you follow a person who opening promotes conspiracies theories (almost daily) then you yourself have no choice but to start believing in conspiracies. And now you're seeing them everywhere you look.
I think none of us can say for sure exactly what Warren was thinking, which is part of the problem. Personally, do I think this is all politically motivated? Probably not. BUT he is trying to push his liberal political agenda as part of all this, which annoys people, because we just want sports, I don't care what his politics are. I think it's more likely that politics had more of an influence in his decision than even he realizes though. It seems those on the liberal side of the fence are eager to blame Trump for all of this and fully buy into all of the media hype and fear mongering. If you watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you are going to make decisions based on some of the garbage they are spewing. And the same can be said if he were watching Fox News all day.
I think we have enough data, and proof from other sports that we should be playing football. Or at least try. Others are going to try. It's going to set the Big 10 back for a long time if they are successful. So we as fans are understandably upset.
Because there was no reason to cancel the season when he did. He actively campaigned for school presidents to vote to close even though every AD in the B1G wanted to at least give it more time. He failed to coordinate with the SEC, ACC and Big 12 and now has the B1G and their athletes isolated and disadvantaged vs athletes at other schools and B1G athletic departments are disadvantaged vs those in other conferences. He has failed to articulate his reasons for the shutdown in a way that makes any sense, in fact his remaining in hiding has fueled speculation that has further damaged the B1G.
There is probably more but I need to get to work...
The great slayer of political conspiracy theories introduces Trump to explain what none of his straw men could explain despite the topic having nothign to do with Trump, and nobody previously mentioning Trump.
This might be a good time to consider quitting while you're behind.
Sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction.
100% agree. They all seem like opinion shows, with some disputable facts thrown in. What happened to just reporting the news? I guess that doesn't get people fired up and drive ratings up. The more divided we are, the better things like News media and social media do. That means a lot of big money for a lot of people. I get it. It just sucks.This is a common view. I wish there was a news network I could trust to watch. The best I've found is to watch a little bit of the liberal media (agree with some, get upset with some) and a little bit of the conservative media (agree with some, get upset with some). I wish there was a better option. Fundamental example - I don't really give a damn how much a president golfs. But boy do both sides of the aisle go crazy with how much an opposing president golfs.
You do know that when people say it's for political reasons, they're referring to trump. You're the one who thinks this is political, not me. Good luck with those thoughts, you've positioned yourself to fit in nicely with trump and his supporters. You're in good company.