Kirk vs Saban

[fearthefuture21]

Kirk is more concerned about developing boys into high character men, getting dull personalties to become obedient to his no nonsense culture, etc.

Saban on the other hand realized his philopshy was out dated and had to adapt, lives and breathes producing a winning culutre and expecys to compete for a title every year.

The fact kirk thought he was getting one over on a reporter by bragging about 10 wins and a west division title shows you how little he cares about being great.

For the love of god Kirk please retire and let us fans have a glimpse of hope again.

 

[boxahawks]

I don't think Kirk has the personality to be like Saban, Harbaugh or lots of others who value winning more than anything. We can be proud, and we are proud, that so many of his former players credit him so much for their development as players and men. With that, we've done fine for wins and losses, but with Kirk, we have to be happy with that instead of looking for national championships.

 

[fearthefuture21]

And sadly that's true but what drives me nuts is that Phil Parker is very similar to Saban. Adapted to modern schemes, demands excellence, adjust on the fly, and does whatever it takes to put his unit in position to win.

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

Saban wins national championships.

Kirk can't win a single B1G championship.

 

[radicalhawk]

Ferentz doesn't belong in the same sentence with Saban. Ferentz is the only coach living or dead in America that was given 25 years to win an unshared Conference Title. Any other place, with the exception of Iowa, wouldn't have accepted the nepotism and the low bar of achievement of Ferentz.

 

[BrewHawk]

KF would have lasted 5 years at a real football school. Only Iowa would accept this boring fraud. Nice schedule lol

You might want to go look at what happened those first five years plus.

 

[2D_]

KF would have lasted 5 years at a real football school. Only Iowa would accept this boring fraud. Nice schedule lol

How's not having a bowl game going for you? Must be bored if you're still trolling around an Iowa board you dork.

 

[2D_]

Kirk is a player's coach, and it's part of the reason why the players and the fans like him so much. He's got character and class, and puts the well being of his players above all else. It unfortunately comes at the expense of getting to the next level and being elite.

 

[NevadaHawk]

Ferentz doesn't belong in the same sentence with Saban. Ferentz is the only coach living or dead in America that was given 25 years to win an unshared Conference Title. Any other place, with the exception of Iowa, wouldn't have accepted the nepotism and the low bar of achievement of Ferentz.

KF has done better at Iowa than Saban did at Michigan State. I am not saying that to defend KF. Just a more fair comparison from a player level of talent standpoint. Alabama was a blue blood program long before Saban got there. That said, no one can deny the success Saban has had with the Crimson Tide.

 

[Hawkeye_4_Life]

And sadly that's true but what drives me nuts is that Phil Parker is very similar to Saban. Adapted to modern schemes, demands excellence, adjust on the fly, and does whatever it takes to put his unit in position to win.

Exactly, to claim it’s one or the other as some have stated is ridiculous. We could and should expect a coach to be able to develop young men and still expect excellence on BOTH sides of the ball. As for the fans, expecting excellence from our coaches is mandatory.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Kirk is more concerned about developing boys into high character men, getting dull personalties to become obedient to his no nonsense culture, etc.

Saban on the other hand realized his philopshy was out dated and had to adapt, lives and breathes producing a winning culutre and expecys to compete for a title every year.

The fact kirk thought he was getting one over on a reporter by bragging about 10 wins and a west division title shows you how little he cares about being great.

For the love of god Kirk please retire and let us fans have a glimpse of hope again.

One of the dumbest posts ever, So developing boys into men makes for dull men?

 

[herkyhawk00]

Ferentz doesn't belong in the same sentence with Saban. Ferentz is the only coach living or dead in America that was given 25 years to win an unshared Conference Title. Any other place, with the exception of Iowa, wouldn't have accepted the nepotism and the low bar of achievement of Ferentz.

lol……. This is so off base…..

 

[CookyMonster]

Kirk is more concerned about developing boys into high character men, getting dull personalties to become obedient to his no nonsense culture, etc.

Saban on the other hand realized his philopshy was out dated and had to adapt, lives and breathes producing a winning culutre and expecys to compete for a title every year.

The fact kirk thought he was getting one over on a reporter by bragging about 10 wins and a west division title shows you how little he cares about being great.

For the love of god Kirk please retire and let us fans have a glimpse of hope again.

There is no hope, you're an iowa fan. We don't have the population to ever be more than a one and done in the playoff once every decade. Invest your time and money elsewhere.

 

[HawkLogic]

I don't think Kirk has the personality to be like Saban, Harbaugh or lots of others who value winning more than anything. We can be proud, and we are proud, that so many of his former players credit him so much for their development as players and men. With that, we've done fine for wins and losses, but with Kirk, we have to be happy with that instead of looking for national championships.

And yet he hired his own boy and ran him up the coaching ranks at Iowa like it was a family business. He doubled down and trippled down on his own selfish decision to promote his boy to OC with oddball decisions like naming BF QB coach. If Fans wanted to offense to do something new, KF went out of his way to say F.U. to fans.

Even after a 3rd year of awful results, he was prepared to stay the course and not look at hiring a new OC even though it was going to hamper recruiting. Most people are not all good or all bad and I would put KF in that category. If KF is the super great developer of men then Phil Parker is a super developer of men + actually a good coach that gets results

 

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[MilleGinja]

KF would have lasted 5 years at a real football school. Only Iowa would accept this boring fraud. Nice schedule lol

Who is claiming Iowa as a “real football” school. We aren’t a blue blood, and we aren’t pretending to be. Kirk has said as much dozens of time.

Anyway you slice it though, 10 wins is pretty impressive when half your team is practically working against the other half.

 

[Bubbrub]

Years ago in an interview, Matt Roth told a reporter that Saban wasn't half the man Ferentz was. Saban was the Dolphins HC during Roth's first couple of years in Miami.

 

[jonesy5960]

KF has done better at Iowa than Saban did at Michigan State. I am not saying that to defend KF. Just a more fair comparison from a player level of talent standpoint. Alabama was a blue blood program long before Saban got there. That said, no one can deny the success Saban has had with the Crimson Tide.

Alabama was really pedestrian during the decade before Saban arrived.

 

[Fan In Black]

they both worked for Bill Belichick and both have 3 syllable names.

 

[Fan In Black]

Alabama was really pedestrian during the decade before Saban arrived.

You are technically correct but...it's a program like USC, Texas, Georgia, Miami, FSU, Michigsn, etc etc that everyone knows is a sleeping giant.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Kirk is more concerned about developing boys into high character men, getting dull personalties to become obedient to his no nonsense culture, etc.

Saban on the other hand realized his philopshy was out dated and had to adapt, lives and breathes producing a winning culutre and expecys to compete for a title every year.

The fact kirk thought he was getting one over on a reporter by bragging about 10 wins and a west division title shows you how little he cares about being great.

For the love of god Kirk please retire and let us fans have a glimpse of hope again.

Oh plzz. Just don't. How did BriBri turn out?

 

[bradaf]

Kirk is more concerned about developing boys into high character men, getting dull personalties to become obedient to his no nonsense culture, etc.

Saban on the other hand realized his philopshy was out dated and had to adapt, lives and breathes producing a winning culutre and expecys to compete for a title every year.

The fact kirk thought he was getting one over on a reporter by bragging about 10 wins and a west division title shows you how little he cares about being great.

For the love of god Kirk please retire and let us fans have a glimpse of hope again.

College Football is about the Jimmy and Joes

College football has always been about the Jimmy and Joes not the Xs and Os. Look at Miami's coaches in the 80s thru early 2000s. 4 coaches won national championships there. Jimmy Johnson’s best year at Ok St was 8-4 in 5 years with an overall record of 29-25-3, his Miami record was 52-9 with 3 top 2 teams in 5 years and 1 NC. Dennis Erickson was top six 5 of his 6 years with two NC and after leaving Miami had a 31-17 record at Oregon State and 31-31 record at ASU. Larry Coker was top 5 three of his six years at Miami with a NC and was 22-26 in 4 years at UTSA.

The three Florida schools have all won at least 2 NC since 1991 and have won 10 in total under 8 different coaches. No surprise to me as the 2024 recruiting class in Florida had 6 five star recruits and 68 four star recruits while neighboring Georgia had 5 five star and 46 four star recruits. By comparison Illinois has 1 five star and 11 four star recruits and Iowa usually produces 2-5 four star recruits.

Another good example is Steve Spurrier who in 12 years at Florida was 122-27-1 winning the SEC East 7 times and finished top 10 8 times with 1 NC. Tried the NFL for a couple of years and was back in the SEC East at South Carolina 4 years after leaving Florida taking over a team that was 6-5 the year before he got there. In 11 years at South Carolina his record was 86-49 with a winning percentage of 63.7%. He won the East 1 time in 11 years and had 4 ranked teams with three in the top 10.

Winning percentage
Jimmy Johnson Oklahoma St 50.1% Miami 85.2%

Dennis Erickson Oregon St 64.6% Arizona St 50.0% Miami 87.5%

Larry Coker UTSA 44.8% Miami 80.0%

Steve Spurrier South Carolina 63.7% Florida 81.3%

Kirk Ferentz Iowa 62.0%



Three HOF coaches win at an 80% rate at schools with recruiting advantages and are similar to Kirk at other schools.

 

[NevadaHawk]

Alabama was really pedestrian during the decade before Saban arrived.

They still had major talent but were always trying to hire head coaches whom had played for or coached with Bear Bryant. Gene Stallings comes to mind. A solid coordinator but not an ideal head coach. There were a couple more but I can't recall their names.

 

[Bulldog64]

And sadly that's true but what drives me nuts is that Phil Parker is very similar to Saban. Adapted to modern schemes, demands excellence, adjust on the fly, and does whatever it takes to put his unit in position to win.

You mean run a pattern read cover 4 that they have run since Norm. They have added a wrinkle every 2-3 years prior it was the "radar" blitz package. this year they ran some Simulated pressures that were the hot thing 3-4 years ago.
Phil hasn't changed much from when he took over. He does a good job mixing up his calls unlike the offensive side. Also, the Iowa Defense is simplistic in its roles which is why they play faster.

Alabama was really pedestrian during the decade before Saban arrived.

Alabama was coming off of a couple of scandals and a couple of subpar hires. One scandal was Mike price. used the University card at the strip club. He was on the job for a couple of months. And the other they were giving impermissible benefits. (lost 21 scholarships) They have been paying their players since Bear Bryant (maybe before).

So the pieces were in place for anyone to step in and win.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

Saban wins national championships.

Kirk can't win a single B1G championship.

Alabama was a football powerhouse and had multi NCs before Saban every came along. Iowa was sub .500 for 20 straight years, before HF made us competitive again, softened the OC schedule, mostly beating up on NW, Wisconsin, Indiana etc., with a handful of wins vs M and *O$U and lopsided loses in the Rosebowl. The Big X never allowed bowl participation outside the Rose until 1976. The landscape has totally changed now and I don't think it will benefit Iowa down the road...