In "normal times" you are right and in this era of MAGA undermining everything this is NOT remotely a good thing. She's a phony and ran for election as a fake.
Krysten Sinema switching to Independent
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Tell me, how many independents are in the con party ? 0, none. The days of RINOs are over.
This is exactly what national level politics needs. You can easily pick out the partisan stooges based on their response to this.
I don't think it's necessarily a guarantee that a Republican wins the seat if it's a 3 way election in 24. Manchin at least is popular within his own state, Sinema's approval ratings are trash. If Arizona runs another Keri Lake esque candidate there's a good enough chance Sinema siphons off a decent amount of "moderate" Republican votes that Dems could still win the seat.
It is always a good thing to have people in Washington that can think for themselves and not toe that party line. Every single one of them should be an independent.
Once again when one of the parties isn't trying to destroy everything you are right.
Maybe. I guess we can give her the benefit of the doubt. But I'm a little suspicious when goes from being a pretty far left Bernie Democratic-Socialist to, essentially, a Reagan republican on fiscal policy suggests to me that someone likes the benefits of being a hold out vote in the Senate.
Independent thinkers is a good thing. That's not what Sinema is, she does whatever her big money donors tell her to do. She is the prime example of what is wrong with American politics and she should not be rewarded with another term in the Senate.
Yep she campaigned on a phony existence she's a disgrace. You should see 2010 vids on her. Complete opposite now. A grifting fraud.
If she runs in 2024, she hurts the Dems. But there's no scenario where she is re-elected. As @Huey Grey said, Sinema's approval is upside down in her own party. It's an open secret that Gallego (popular congressman) was going to primary her.
So the main question is: does she run? If yes, then it matters who the GOP puts up. Another nut job like Kari Lake or Mark Finchem, and the Dems can still win. If the GOP runs someone like Ducey, then he probably wins. But can Ducey get thru the primary?
Sinema will also struggle to keep up with both parties in terms of spending, and the Arizona TV market is expensive for politicians now that we're a "purple battleground."
Don't bring facts to a feelings debate.
The Dems were done with her years ago. They still need to run a D and not concede the seat. Even if they lose it, it was already unofficially gone.
Majority, if not all, do what their big money donors tell them to do. Until lobbyist and big money donors are kicked to the curb in Washington, I will not take that shit hole seriously. conflict of interest.
what would it matter if she didn't vote partly line anyway?
I am not disagreeing with you. I just wish Washington could get to a spot where it isn’t all just us vs. them. Blue vs. red. Think and vote based on your own beliefs and what is best for your constituents, not toe the party line. God forbid you vote against your party. Get ostracized before you even walk out of the building. That is why Washington is broke right now.
I agree with you as well but we are in a Dire situation and the most important thing is wiping MAGA off the map aka the majority of the GOP
It would not surprise me in the least to see Sinema switch to the GOP as a candidate for the next election. She’s a non-Trumper. She’s more popular in the GOP then as a Dem. I could see her making a run at the GOP nomination. I wouldn’t call it likely…yet…but it wouldn’t be a shocker.
She always has liked to play both sides.Says she doesn’t fit with either party, but still wants her committee assignments so I guess that means caucusing with the Democrats.
The real reason: she knows Ruben Gallego is coming for her seat in ‘24.
Kyrsten Sinema Says She Will Leave the Democratic Party
The Arizona senator is registering as an independent, noting that she “never fit perfectly in either national party.”www.nytimes.com
Huge difference between the two, Northern. Dems knew why Manchin opposed their legislation...Sinema doesn't Reveal her reasons until she votes...if she does then.
Ahh yes, I'm sure chis circa 2015 was a fervent independent lol... guarantee you screamed nonstop how Dole, Mitt, McCain etc... were a threat to democracy blah blah blah. One trick (party) pony.
Sadly, until there is a critical mass of independents, there will not be money for independents.
And the independents? If the republicans run another Trump cheerleader she still wins
What happens if Manchin does the same?
47 Dems
49 Republicans
4 Independents
Do Dems still get to run things with that breakdown?
Would Schumer stay Majority Leader?
Do Dems still control committees?
I mean I guess the answer is "yes" to all those questions. But this is new territory in my politically-aware lifetime, at least.
Has this sort of thing happened in the past? Prior to the Civil War maybe?
I wonder if any Republicans might also switch to Independent.
It would be interesting if this caught on and affected both parties.
It would be interesting if this caught on and affected both parties.
Obviously an Independent Bernie Sanders is hugely different from an Independent Liz Cheney. But if more people from both parties go this route, will they work together? Might we see an Independent Caucus in Congress? Could they develop a shared platform or agenda?
There is already a critical mass of independent voters.
- As of October 2022, 48 million registered voters in these areas identified themselves as Democrats. At 38.78%, Democrats represented the single largest share of registered voters in the states and territories that allow voters to indicate partisan affiliation on their registration forms.
- A total of 36.4 million registered voters identified themselves as Republicans, representing 29.42% of registered voters in these areas.
- A total of 35.3 million registered voters identified themselves as independents or unaffiliated with any political party. This amounted to 28.55% of registered voters in these areas.
- Approximately 4 million registered voters identified themselves as members of other political parties. This amounted to 3.25% of registered voters in these areas.
Worth thinking about. But if she isn't popular, it may be better to reload with someone new.
It may depend on whether the R crazies get put in their place over the next couple of years. There's certainly an effort now to suppress the Extreme Right and Trump types. But my guess is that at best they just swap Trump for a less obnoxious zealot on the right, and the crazies remain strong.
Sinema has voted in line with Biden's position 93.1% of the time. Sanders has done so 91.4% of the time.
Yeah but those Independents are mostly R-leaning and D-leaning Independents. With a tiny number of exceptions - all in New England, I think - they rarely vote for Independent candidates.
Of course that could change. If enough big names go Independent we might see something different. Yet I still think most Indies will choose between D and R, and won't identify as belonging to the same tribe in any meaningful way.
She will be making a very comfortable living sitting on the boards of all the Wall Street firms that have been paying her to prevent the Democrats from raising their taxes.
