Kueter

[MitchLL]

Has Gable committed to wrestling this year, not being a wiseguy. I do miss some announcements.
I agree, I think Ben will be fine with most other than than the wrestlers you mentioned.
Kerk and AF guy could get ugly though I think. Obviously Gable would abuse him like he does everyone.
What's your opinion @MitchLL on how he woukd do against Kerk and AF guy?
I think they would tech him.
Jmo
Funny you called him AF guy. I can't remember his name either. Lol

AF guy...Hendrickson?

Steveson and WWE don't seem to be working out. I don't think WWE can find a character for him.
Kerk and Hendricksen are BIG heavies, but aren't high pace. If Ben doesn't go under them, I can see a 5-7 pt loss.

Interested how he does against Cuban guy from ISU who apparently is now around 240?

 

[WildTurk]

Has Gable committed to wrestling this year, not being a wiseguy. I do miss some announcements.
I agree, I think Ben will be fine with most other than than the wrestlers you mentioned.
Kerk and AF guy could get ugly though I think. Obviously Gable would abuse him like he does everyone.
What's your opinion @MitchLL on how he would do against Kerk and AF guy?
I think they would tech him. No shame in that. They would be monsters against a true , undersized, freshman.
Jmo
Funny you called him AF guy. I can't remember his name either. Lol

Wyatt Hendrickson. And I disagree on a TF. A pin is more likely than a TF for Wyatt

 

[Sett1997]

Wyatt Hendrickson. And I disagree on a TF. A pin is more likely than a TF for Wyatt

That's the name. Wyatt is a badass.

 

[MitchLL]

Wyatt Hendrickson. And I disagree on a TF. A pin is more likely than a TF for Wyatt

Agree.

 

[funnyfletcher]

Sucks that Kueter might not ever get to wrestle against ISU since their duals are usually Nov or Dec.

 

[sstark46]

Times have changed. Freshmen come in ready to go. Before Spencer when did Iowa put in a true freshman? Mocco? McIlravy?

Nathan Burak and Justin Stickley both went as true freshman before Spencer

 

[el dub]

Good question. I would assume he would burn his freshman year for both sports, but I really have no idea. Not alot of this has ever happened. Having different eligibilty left in different sports would be very hard to keep track of imo so I don't see it working out that way!?

Two sports, two eligibility cycles, imo.

 

[MSU158]

Nathan Burak and Justin Stickley both went as true freshman before Spencer

Didn't Burak defer a year of college and train at the OTC? Although technically a "TF", he was quite a bit out of the norm...

As far as Stickley goes, he was pretty much a very short term stop gap until they let Lee go. Their only other choice at 125 was Perez Perez. Don't want to say a bad word about a guy that grinded through 4 years in that room, but he wasn't a viable option...

So, even though it technically is true that there were 2 before Lee, Lee really was the first legitimate TF to have his redshirt pulled with the intent of wrestling in the post season. The Brands were big believers in that redshirt year development and usually had the depth and experience in the lineup to be patient.

There was soooo much pressure with Lee coming in, along with Lee himself saying "put me in Coach". I don't think the Brands brothers really had much of a choice. The pressure to keep up with PSU was and STILL is ENORMOUS. As much as I believe they would still use the redshirt in nearly all situations, put the best man in at the weight is probably going to have to be the forced philosophy for the time being.

I have to admit that I was one those screaming from the rooftops to keep Lee redshirted since they had no chance to win as a team with him that year. I wonder how his career would have played out. Would he have still been seriously injured? Would he have won 4? Would Iowa have won more than 1 Team Title?

 

[vhsalum]

Didn't Burak defer a year of college and train at the OTC? Although technically a "TF", he was quite a bit out of the norm...

As far as Stickley goes, he was pretty much a very short term stop gap until they let Lee go. Their only other choice at 125 was Perez Perez. Don't want to say a bad word about a guy that grinded through 4 years in that room, but he wasn't a viable option...

So, even though it technically is true that there were 2 before Lee, Lee really was the first legitimate TF to have his redshirt pulled with the intent of wrestling in the post season. The Brands were big believers in that redshirt year development and usually had the depth and experience in the lineup to be patient.

There was soooo much pressure with Lee coming in, along with Lee himself saying "put me in Coach". I don't think the Brands brothers really had much of a choice. The pressure to keep up with PSU was and STILL is ENORMOUS. As much as I believe they would still use the redshirt in nearly all situations, put the best man in at the weight is probably going to have to be the forced philosophy for the time being.

I have to admit that I was one those screaming from the rooftops to keep Lee redshirted since they had no chance to win as a team with him that year. I wonder how his career would have played out. Would he have still been seriously injured? Would he have won 4? Would Iowa have won more than 1 Team Title?

No way would ANOTHER year in the room lead to less injuries. It's a good thing they pulled his shirt.

 

[ISUBryceC]

I believe those above are correct. Can’t remember what the players name was, but he played basketball for Duke using up that eligibility. Then transferred to Syracuse and played 1 year of football as the QB for them. If I remember correctly, Iowa actually played Syracuse the year he was qb, making a couple goal line stops for the W.
Im just super excited to likely see Kueter on the mat for the hawks!

Greg Paulus was the Duke player.

Iowa State had a football player named Stevie Johnson that played 4 years of hoops then was a safety on the football team the next year.

 

[sstark46]

Didn't Burak defer a year of college and train at the OTC? Although technically a "TF", he was quite a bit out of the norm...

As far as Stickley goes, he was pretty much a very short term stop gap until they let Lee go. Their only other choice at 125 was Perez Perez. Don't want to say a bad word about a guy that grinded through 4 years in that room, but he wasn't a viable option...

So, even though it technically is true that there were 2 before Lee, Lee really was the first legitimate TF to have his redshirt pulled with the intent of wrestling in the post season. The Brands were big believers in that redshirt year development and usually had the depth and experience in the lineup to be patient.

There was soooo much pressure with Lee coming in, along with Lee himself saying "put me in Coach". I don't think the Brands brothers really had much of a choice. The pressure to keep up with PSU was and STILL is ENORMOUS. As much as I believe they would still use the redshirt in nearly all situations, put the best man in at the weight is probably going to have to be the forced philosophy for the time being.

I have to admit that I was one those screaming from the rooftops to keep Lee redshirted since they had no chance to win as a team with him that year. I wonder how his career would have played out. Would he have still been seriously injured? Would he have won 4? Would Iowa have won more than 1 Team Title?

Right, but those were still the only two guys who went as true freshman before Lee did (in the Brands era)

 

[MSU158]

Right, but those were still the only two guys who went as true freshman before Lee did (in the Brands era)

Gotcha. I wasn't meaning to contradict you in any way. It was solely to add context. All the way up until Lee, they had a very strict approach to redshirting and they pretty much had the luxury to follow that approach.

 

[MSU158]

No way would ANOTHER year in the room lead to less injuries. It's a good thing they pulled his shirt.

Maybe, but honestly, maybe not. In the end he STILL used a redshirt due to an injury. He was IN that room for the maximum amount of time when you add in the Covid year. Remember, the room itself was never really the cause of his injuries. In fact, he had a lot of very special, individualized training to try to minimize his exposure to injuries in the room.

It's definitely a giant "what if" question, considering a significant "butterfly effect". But, to be clear, I DO NOT see how his injury situations could have been ANY worse. Hindsight is always 20/20, but now that we know what Lee and Iowa got out of his time here, wouldn't you risk it to try out that scenario, if you could?

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Question? If Kueter wrestles this school year, but does not play football...is he then a sophomore for both sports next year...or could be a sophomore related to wrestling and still a freshman as it relates to FB?

Now then...assuming that we will see no more of Cassioppi, darn it, I hope we do see our next best option at HWT, which would seem likely to be Kueter.

No - each sport is treated seperately. But I would guess by now this has been already answered.

 

[vhsalum]

Maybe, but honestly, maybe not. In the end he STILL used a redshirt due to an injury. He was IN that room for the maximum amount of time when you add in the Covid year. Remember, the room itself was never really the cause of his injuries. In fact, he had a lot of very special, individualized training to try to minimize his exposure to injuries in the room.

It's definitely a giant "what if" question, considering a significant "butterfly effect". But, to be clear, I DO NOT see how his injury situations could have been ANY worse. Hindsight is always 20/20, but now that we know what Lee and Iowa got out of his time here, wouldn't you risk it to try out that scenario, if you could?

No way. He won it the first year. And did it without a knee brace and torched everyone. Even with retrospect - you wrestle him as a true freshman.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

I'd personally rather see him focus 100% on wrestling bc I think our wrestling team needs him me then football will. I'm a big fan of his, especially his wrestling. That said, if he hits the mat at 240-245 this year he's going to get manhandled imo.

Manhandled? I doubt it. Get beat by the elite - probably.

 

[SPOONER]

With his length, I don't see more than a couple of the better Hwts "manhandling" him at 245#.
Yes, he'll struggle with GS, Kerk, and the Air Force guy.

But I would think we still don't see him before 1-10-24.
He's very talented

There's simply no chance in hell he's 245 this year. Not by adding good weight, anyway.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Greg Paulus was the Duke player.

Iowa State had a football player named Stevie Johnson that played 4 years of hoops then was a safety on the football team the next year.

Still meeting the 5 years of eligibility to compete 4 in a sport?

 

[bourbon n blues]

Didn't Burak defer a year of college and train at the OTC? Although technically a "TF", he was quite a bit out of the norm...

As far as Stickley goes, he was pretty much a very short term stop gap until they let Lee go. Their only other choice at 125 was Perez Perez. Don't want to say a bad word about a guy that grinded through 4 years in that room, but he wasn't a viable option...

So, even though it technically is true that there were 2 before Lee, Lee really was the first legitimate TF to have his redshirt pulled with the intent of wrestling in the post season. The Brands were big believers in that redshirt year development and usually had the depth and experience in the lineup to be patient.

There was soooo much pressure with Lee coming in, along with Lee himself saying "put me in Coach". I don't think the Brands brothers really had much of a choice. The pressure to keep up with PSU was and STILL is ENORMOUS. As much as I believe they would still use the redshirt in nearly all situations, put the best man in at the weight is probably going to have to be the forced philosophy for the time being.

I have to admit that I was one those screaming from the rooftops to keep Lee redshirted since they had no chance to win as a team with him that year. I wonder how his career would have played out. Would he have still been seriously injured? Would he have won 4? Would Iowa have won more than 1 Team Title?

1. Yes 2. No, because of 1. 3. due to 1,2. Injuries happen and he seems somewhat prone to them. It happens, for every Nolan Ryan we can find you get many pitchers who just can't stay as healthy as an outlier like him. With that in mind I think things play out the same.

There are reasons why it's tough to win four individual titles, health is one of the biggest.

 

[MitchLL]

There's simply no chance in hell he's 245 this year. Not by adding good weight, anyway.

I'm just quoting what was in the initial post from the Iowa coach.

You have no idea what weight he's at now.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I'm excited to see Ben get on the mat and compete. I believe he will be better than most of his competition on his feet and hold his own with the best guys. What makes me nervous is when he's on bottom with any of the 285 weight class, especially the top tier guys. That could be a struggle for him getting off bottom as a true freshman, possibly undersized for the weight class.

 

[MitchLL]

Sucks that Kueter might not ever get to wrestle against ISU since their duals are usually Nov or Dec.

But it sure makes Clone fans giddy.

 

[lookleft goright]

No way. He won it the first year. And did it without a knee brace and torched everyone. Even with retrospect - you wrestle him as a true freshman.

Yes wrestle him as a true freshman and then have surgery right after nationals his Junior year and then redshirt him the following year. Hopefully, he would have been healthy his senior year in that scenario.

 

[DeangeloVickers]

Is Ben going to get manhandled like Snyder did when he bumped up?

If he's Kyle Snyder 2.0 I'll be beyond thrilled. But he's not built remotely like Snyder, nor does he have the experience wrestling in college the way Snyder did when he bumped.

 

[SPOONER]

Still meeting the 5 years of eligibility to compete 4 in a sport?

As long as the athlete is within the 5 year window, they are allowed to compete 4 years in one sport then an additional year in another sport after their 4 years are complete in the first. Eligibility runs concurrent if one competes concurrently in 2 sports, like Kueter plans to do.

 

[Irishhawkeye2107]

There's simply no chance in hell he's 245 this year. Not by adding good weight, anyway.

These types of gains happen every year for kids entering a college football weight program. Not saying it will happen, but I don’t see it outside of the realm of possibility either.

 

[Redm18]

If Keuter wrestles this year I see the floor on him being a blood round loss kind of guy. I think the ceiling is probably around 4th. No possible way he beat GS if he goes, I don't see him beating Kirk, Hendrickson or Shultz either everyone else I think is beatable for him. My guess is he's more athletic then the field with the exception of GS. Physically he looks like a much older man to me as well. I wonder how much he weighs now. I bet its around 230.

 

[SPOONER]

These types of gains happen every year for kids entering a college football weight program. Not saying it will happen, but I don’t see it outside of the realm of possibility either.

Not in just a few months. Over the course of a year, sure. And again...talking about good weight.

 

[Slim45]

Not in just a few months. Over the course of a year, sure. And again...talking about good weight.

So what’s his weight right now?

 

[HawkFan1986]

Not in just a few months. Over the course of a year, sure. And again...talking about good weight.

He talked about starting to gain weight shortly before he defaulted out with injury during world team trials. If he doesn’t wrestle until January that gives him 5-7 months.

Robert Gallery gained 60 lbs in about that same time frame. With Kueter’s body frame he is certainly capable of similar results.

 

[OldKohawk]

Robert Gallery may have gained that much weight in a similar time frame, but he wasn't practicing football every day within that time frame, like Keuter will be for the next few months. Footballers might gain that much weight in a years time span. Spooner's point is that he's not putting on even 20 lbs of 'good' weight in this little of a timeframe, and Spooner's right.

Also, for those of you who have really tried to gain good weight, you know how hard it can be. Id' argue it's tougher than losing weight To say he isn't going as 'intense' in practice because he's on the scout team (and I don't know if he is even on that) is simply not true. He still has to be at team meetings, lifting and go through practices just like a starter.

The good news is that Keuter's a freak and will weigh whatever he weighs and do everything he can to get where he wants to be. And wherever he ends up come wrestling time, he'll be just fine against everyone Cass was just fine against, I believe that.

 

[MitchLL]

These types of gains happen every year for kids entering a college football weight program. Not saying it will happen, but I don’t see it outside of the realm of possibility either.

Spooner is just arguing for the sake of arguing. Everyone is unique in regards to weight gain.
BAU

 

[GogglesPaizano]

If Keuter wrestles this year I see the floor on him being a blood round loss kind of guy. I think the ceiling is probably around 4th. No possible way he beat GS if he goes, I don't see him beating Kirk, Hendrickson or Shultz either everyone else I think is beatable for him. My guess is he's more athletic then the field with the exception of GS. Physically he looks like a much older man to me as well. I wonder how much he weighs now. I bet its around 230.

I think his floor is AA as a 225 guy. He is just too athletic, and the talent at heavy drops off quickly near low AA.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

As long as the athlete is within the 5 year window, they are allowed to compete 4 years in one sport then an additional year in another sport after their 4 years are complete in the first. Eligibility runs concurrent if one competes concurrently in 2 sports, like Kueter plans to do.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[PotentiallyDan]

Who finishes higher this year, Keuter or Feldman?

 

[Sdwrestler_20]

I think his floor is AA as a 225 guy. He is just too athletic, and the talent at heavy drops off quickly near low AA.

I see Kueter in Tier 3 to start the year. Somewhere in that low AA to R12 range. If no Gable, everyone shifts up a tier.
Tier 1: Gable
Tier 2: Hendrickson, Kerk, Shultz, Davison
Tier 3: Elam, Pitzer, Slav, Trephen, Bastida, Kueter

 

[vhsalum]

Who finishes higher this year, Keuter or Feldman?

Feldman. Just as athletic - but bigger.

 

[Redm18]

I think his floor is AA as a 225 guy. He is just too athletic, and the talent at heavy drops off quickly near low AA.

yeah I think we are about on the same page. I agree with everything you have said. I just know that the blood round can be so fricken tough no matter what.

 

[PotentiallyDan]

Feldman. Just as athletic - but bigger.

I honestly think Feldman is a tough out for anybody not named Gable.

 

[west2east]

As a true freshman HWT weighing 235-40 you guys are expecting a ton. Slow down a little. Ben has beat Carroll but Carroll has also beat Ben. Saying blood round is a little much at this time.