Left my first no tip yesterday
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Um no.
Their regular pay is from the resteraunt. If they don't earn the equivalent of minimum wage through tips then it's the resteraunts responsibility to make it up. Not mine.
If the owners are tired of making it up, they can let the employee go.
It's not my job to tip for below average service to save the owners money.
I think one of the breakfast staple cocktails is mandatory at some restaurants here.
Me: I'll have the meatlovers omelet with hashbrowns and wheat toast.
Server: What would you like your mandatory cocktail to be? A Bloody Mary, screwdriver, or a mimosa.
Me: Bloody Mary.
Server: Would you like pickle, pepper, bacon, or regular boring vodka with that?
Me: Just the regular boring stuff.
Server: And what slightly virgin cocktail can I get for your little one? Bloody, screwdriver, or mimosa. And does he need a paper and some colors? We have a brewery, a distillery, and a wall of beer bottles to choose from.
Someone gave me a tip years ago that works wonders, especially in downtowns of big cities.
Go into the finest steakhouses at lunch and order a burger, even if it’s not on the menu. You’ll typically get really high quality meat ground just for you at a really cheap price.
The problem with no tip is they prolly just think you're cheap. Like my dad was lol. We need to have a universal tip amount, a very low amount, that communicates you are normally a decent tipper but service was horrible. I suggest $0.69. Or, can just write on the receipt that service was poor.
I will say this, rarely if ever will you see a restaurant in a small town (5000 and under) rope of a section due to being swamped. They will just tell you how long to expect. If you go to a bigger city they always have sections roped off if understaffed.You've got 40 tables. Normally you have 8 waitstaff covering 5 tables each (these numbers are for illustrative purposes only). You've been reduced to 5 waitstaff...now you have each of them covering 8 tables. That's when you get errors and bad service. Every restaurant I've ever been to closes off tables so you might take ten tables off the rotation and cover the remaining 30 with who you have. Everyone still gets good service. I'd much rather wait and get good service when I sit down than sit down and wait and wait and wait to get bad service from a waiter who's covering too many tables.
But that's just me.
I have an awful lot of experience with this, and it has led me to believe that counter service is the superior model for anything not fine dining. It largely removes bad servers and unrealistic customers from the equation while also helping to keep costs down.
Unfortunately, counter service and digital menus are offensive to enough people to slow the progress away from tableside service in an establishment that doesn't benefit from it
That's how the locals get service ahead of the riff-raff.
$0.69, or as they say in the industry, just the tip of the tip.
This is one of the many reasons that I don't like eating out, and will only do so as part of a social obligation, even when traveling.
I noticed I failed mention this in the OP, but I condensed it as much as possible. The table of 6 that sat 15 min after us, and he took care of right away to get their food early, tipped 8%. Gave me a chuckle. $101.88 bill and the tip was $8.12. I noticed because it was at the edge of the table when I walked to the bathroom. No cash anywhere on the table either. Glad he took care of those people well. My bill was 73.42 and I would have left $15 at the worst.
100%. And in small everyone knows everyone communities, people won't complain about waits they were warned about (I'm sure some will but it's rare). You tell city folk that it's a 40 min wait and it's turns out to be almost an hour, that manager is having a busy day.That's how the locals get service ahead of the riff-raff.
So, at a very upscale restaruant, you got the wrong burger, took one bite, and just sat there and looked at it until the waitress came to clear the table? Did she never come by and ask how things were? If so, weird. If not, why didn't you say something?
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Seriously?
Ever been in Chicago on a Sunday?
Dumb drunk bitches EVERYWHERE for "brunch"
Yeah, you can decide that's how it works, but that's not the design and the actual social contract. You pay the restaurant for the food, you pay the server with your tip, with the freedom to pay more based if the service is more impressive.
If you choose not to tip, you've made them work for free. That should be reserved for basically an equivalent of not receiving the service.
If you have a kid cut your grass for $40, and they do a hell of a job, you might give them $50. If they did a just ok job, but not as good as you would like, you still pay them. You just don't use them again. But you don't stiff them.
15% is the $40. If you get your service, even below average, you tip that and no more.
I get the feeling that handling the bill in a restaurant is as close to haveing power over someone as a lot of people ever get, and a lot of those people refuse to let the opportunity to wield said power go by without taking advantage.
I shouldn't have said "very" upscale. Upscale...a couple levels above a Outback or tavern type place, but didn't mean to imply it was an experiential type place. A place you would take a client for lunch and feel good about it. It wasn't French Laundry. Point is it wasn't an Appleby's or a Five Guys.
I didn't say something sooner because it wasn't worth making a deal over as it was a family meal (therefore, not THAT upscale - it wasn't like a $150 burger), I only mentioned it because she mentioned it. Was surprised at that she would acknowledge that it was obviously a terrible mistake, and then not have anything further to say about it.
I don't think I've ever had such poor service that I wouldn't leave a tip. Slow service, absolutely - but I'm not sure who to pin that on - understaffing, trouble in the kitchen or just a poor server.
Practically everywhere I go I see help wanted signs. Half the time I'm dealing with someone new or in training. It certainly never surprises me when the service is not as good as it was a few years ago.
Practically everywhere I go I see help wanted signs. Half the time I'm dealing with someone new or in training. It certainly never surprises me when the service is not as good as it was a few years ago.
I think to be consistent with Derek's scenario here, they brought a tractor and chisel plowed your yard.
This. I don't do that, but know lots of people that tip to make it an even whole number.
I can't find it now, but there was someone who set up a camera across from a restaurant in NYC that had bottomless mimosa brunch and filmed drunk people stumbling out of the restaurant at, like 2pm in the afternoon - just sloppy drunk in the middle of the afternoon.Seriously?
Ever been in Chicago on a Sunday?
Dumb drunk bitches EVERYWHERE for "brunch"
How about the restaurant pays its employees and the customers do not tip, like Europe, Japan, Canada the rest of the civilized world.
I'm not the kind of person that would send something back, not tip, etc. I get that deep down nobody really wants to bring food to me.
I've had to do it probably a half dozen times in 2023 because it's been inedible, rotten, etc. I don't even want to know what's going on in most kitchens and the thought disgusts me. I've basically stopped eating out and will maybe eat something out other than ice cream once a month.
I've had to do it probably a half dozen times in 2023 because it's been inedible, rotten, etc. I don't even want to know what's going on in most kitchens and the thought disgusts me. I've basically stopped eating out and will maybe eat something out other than ice cream once a month.
I can tell you've never been to a restaurant in Minnesota on a Sunday in the fall, or any Sunday for that matter. Bloody Mary bar, beer back, and Vikings fans all over the place getting loaded up pre-game.
This is the easiest and best way to do it, which means it will never happen here.
I don't even think drinking on a Sunday morning is a Midwest thing. Everyone went for brunch Sunday when I lived in California. It's just a great day for morning cocktails, you don't have to get shitfaced.
I liked the truck plaza there coming back and forth to UNI.
Pretty sure Savannah, GA’s weekend brunch scene can rank up there too. Plus you can take the drinks to go.Seriously?
Ever been in Chicago on a Sunday?
Dumb drunk bitches EVERYWHERE for "brunch"
Best be careful, after sharing your wife’s weight, you may have piqued @torbee interest.
I have ceased all tips outside of delivery drivers, sit down restaurants where they take your order and serve you, at the bar when they mix a drink, or a service like a haircut.
If I order at a counter, do order pickup or curbside, or have to pick up at pickup station (Panera style) then it’s $0 for me.
If I order at a counter, do order pickup or curbside, or have to pick up at pickup station (Panera style) then it’s $0 for me.
No that *is* how it works. It's the law. Not me deciding it.
Your way is being suckered to pay for poor service and foot the bill for the owner.
I am not making them work for free. They are paid at least minimum wage, it's required by law. Nobody is working for free cause you didn't tip. All you do when you tip on bad service is allow the owner to escape paying for sub par employees and rewarding their lack of effort.
It clear you don't understand how waitstaff is paid based on your use of the wrong lawmowing analogy.
Maybe figure it out and come back to the discussion.
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There is a population in Atlanta that does carry out so they dont have to tip. Waffle House is on to them and doing 20%. 10% to person who packages their order and 10 to the house.
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