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I could probably list about 100 different things this offense did the last handful of years to set the OL up for failure. OL obviously needs to play better but what Iowa has expected them to do with how they go about things especially under Brian Ferentz was ridiculous. High School teams in the state I scout aren’t even tendency heavy like Iowa was and that’s just the limited numbers leaked. I can’t imagine how much worse they tipped their hands with more detailed reports.
Nope.

1. Are you counting this season as part of the last handful? If so, "failure" and "leading the league in rushing" aren't part of the same conversation.

2. Predictability had very little to do with the past struggles of the O-line, compared to the reasons that have been laid out in this thread.

The offense had its tendencies before the O-line was ever broken. And they did not keep it from being a serviceable offense.

Not saying predictability didn't play any role, just a minor one.

And the predictability, as you've put it, has been misrepresented.

Of course Iowa became more predictable in '22. When you are aware, as a staff, that your O-line is broken, and not strong enough to move the line-of-scrimmage, you have the understanding that not a whole lot is going to work. Being more multiple in that situation would have only invited more risk. The staff chose to try to do the best they could with a few simple plays. They knew there was no easy fix or shortcuts, as again there was no way to have made those lineman strong enough over night. KF told us at that time that it was going to be a slow process to get them up to speed. He chose to build it brick by brick and we saw that pay off this season.

In '23 we saw a line that was making incremental improvements, but still wasn't quite there. But everything got complicated and shot in the foot by having to play an emergency QB most of the season. What does every team, even in the pros do when playing a backup QB? They pare down the playbook, try to survive, and not make a big mistake. The offense wasn't good enough to even execute plays designed/ installed as tendency-breakers. So it was what it was.

All these coaches know their opponents' tendencies. You don't think PP knows what the opponent is running? But the predictability did increased in both '22 and '23, and I'm not sure there was any way around that. Had Iowa not pared down the playbook in those instances, I highly doubt they would have won 8 and 10 games
 
@eyesofhawk I'm sure your vast superior knowledge of not only the game but both OL and DL just blows everyone’s away. Including those of us who’ve coached it for years. I’m also pretty sure you said something about wheel routes not working Vs zone so clearly I’m dealing with someone who knows more than anyone on the board.
The wheel route comment was in specific reference to a conversation that had happened weeks before the comment. I was giving a poster crap, as he did not understand that Iowa was in man coverage vs ISU on the play they ran the wheel route on their last drive.

Pretty sure I explained that at that time.

I too coached football. But that was many moons ago
 
Timing says yes. Results and quality of play is visible.
I still don’t get this. Did Doyle teach OL ? Did he have better steroids ?

I might give you that he toughened them up or instilled better discipline….

But a lot of people act like he had some magical weight lifting scheme that NO ONE else in college football was privy too

Yes, his technique and methods may have been revolutionary in 2000s, but eventually everyone gets copied. Greatest form of flattery

The biggest reason Iowa OL has looked like worse over the last 4-5 years is the recruiting and coaching has dropped off.

It was pretty much every year that Iowa would have an OL drafted. Who’s making it off this years team ?

2019 we had two NFL tackles, and a soon to be NFL center

And now ?

considering what Iowa has produced to the NFL for OL and TE, there’s no excuse to not have better recruiting in these two areas.
 
I still don’t get this. Did Doyle teach OL ? Did he have better steroids ?

I might give you that he toughened them up or instilled better discipline….

But a lot of people act like he had some magical weight lifting scheme that NO ONE else in college football was privy too

Yes, his technique and methods may have been revolutionary in 2000s, but eventually everyone gets copied. Greatest form of flattery

The biggest reason Iowa OL has looked like worse over the last 4-5 years is the recruiting and coaching has dropped off.

It was pretty much every year that Iowa would have an OL drafted. Who’s making it off this years team ?

2019 we had two NFL tackles, and a soon to be NFL center

And now ?

considering what Iowa has produced to the NFL for OL and TE, there’s no excuse to not have better recruiting in these two areas.
Kiper does have Colby as the 8th ranked guard, Jones was the 9th rated C. Both will probably make it at least as FA pick ups at some point in their career. If Dunker can continue, he will be drafted next year. Injuries were a problem, off field issues (proctor), and the lack of a good OL coach. The biggest problem with the line is the inability to recruit OTs. Recently, Iowa has guys that should be slid in to play guard at the tackle spots.
 
I still don’t get this. Did Doyle teach OL ? Did he have better steroids ?

I might give you that he toughened them up or instilled better discipline….

But a lot of people act like he had some magical weight lifting scheme that NO ONE else in college football was privy too

Yes, his technique and methods may have been revolutionary in 2000s, but eventually everyone gets copied. Greatest form of flattery

The biggest reason Iowa OL has looked like worse over the last 4-5 years is the recruiting and coaching has dropped off.

It was pretty much every year that Iowa would have an OL drafted. Who’s making it off this years team ?

2019 we had two NFL tackles, and a soon to be NFL center

And now ?

considering what Iowa has produced to the NFL for OL and TE, there’s no excuse to not have better recruiting in these two areas.
More of an attitude change. They don’t dominate the trenches like they did back in the day. Coaching and talent level may have slipped but taking undersized players back then and turning out dominate players were the norm then. Not so much anymore unless you want to hang your hat on the 2 centers in the NFL now.
 
I still don’t get this. Did Doyle teach OL ? Did he have better steroids ?

I might give you that he toughened them up or instilled better discipline….

But a lot of people act like he had some magical weight lifting scheme that NO ONE else in college football was privy too

Yes, his technique and methods may have been revolutionary in 2000s, but eventually everyone gets copied. Greatest form of flattery

The biggest reason Iowa OL has looked like worse over the last 4-5 years is the recruiting and coaching has dropped off.

It was pretty much every year that Iowa would have an OL drafted. Who’s making it off this years team ?

2019 we had two NFL tackles, and a soon to be NFL center

And now ?

considering what Iowa has produced to the NFL for OL and TE, there’s no excuse to not have better recruiting in these two areas.
Another one who hasn't read the thread
 
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The line was certainly not trash. What is wrong w/some of you people. We just had a running back go for 1800 yards, we averaged 197 a game, 2nd only to Penn St. And that's w/teams stacking the box every game. We just ran the ball all over Mizzou w/2 backups averaging over 7 yards a carry. While we certainly suck in the passing game there is no denying our running game ( and o line ) was much much improved this year. I'm going to say with better receivers ( probably not going to happen) and better QB play ( probably not going to happen either) the o line would look much better in pass protection as well. We're not going to get 5 NFL guys on the o line. And quit blaming everything on the loss of Doyle.
 
Kiper does have Colby as the 8th ranked guard, Jones was the 9th rated C. Both will probably make it at least as FA pick ups at some point in their career. If Dunker can continue, he will be drafted next year. Injuries were a problem, off field issues (proctor), and the lack of a good OL coach. The biggest problem with the line is the inability to recruit OTs. Recently, Iowa has guys that should be slid in to play guard at the tackle spots.
Yeah. This current group probably has more combined snaps than any in Iowa history. Normally at Iowa this would have resulted in a truly dominant offensive line with a few All Americans. After a rough start Jones has turned into a solid performer as has Colby. Call it recruiting misses or bad development, Iowa tackle play has been suspect for the past 5 years, which has really impacted pass protection. The players that were recruited for the position either failed to show (Proctor), or develop as expected at the position and got moved inside to a guard spot (Colby and Stephens). Dunker looks to have finally broken that streak, but left tackle and depth are a problem headed into next year. Iowa could really use a tackle off the portal.
 
The line was certainly not trash. What is wrong w/some of you people. We just had a running back go for 1800 yards, we averaged 197 a game, 2nd only to Penn St. And that's w/teams stacking the box every game. We just ran the ball all over Mizzou w/2 backups averaging over 7 yards a carry. While we certainly suck in the passing game there is no denying our running game ( and o line ) was much much improved this year. I'm going to say with better receivers ( probably not going to happen) and better QB play ( probably not going to happen either) the o line would look much better in pass protection as well. We're not going to get 5 NFL guys on the o line. And quit blaming everything on the loss of Doyle.
Run blocking improved enough to get Kaleb to the second level where he outran most of the D. His yards were impressive but a relatively high percentage of them were during the multiple 30-40 yd bursts. Wonderful to watch and kudos to the O-line in taking that step forward and Kaleb taking advantage of their improvement.

Pass blocking still sucks and without a clean pocket now and then the deep pass isn’t gonna happen. There is ZERO comparison to IOWA’s ability create clean pockets to other successful QB’s in the BIG because of the ever collapsing mess the IOWA QB’s have had to function with the past 5 years. It would be great to have a Lamar Jackson type QB under center, but it doesn’t seem possible. Because that’s what you would have needed the past half decade with the sieve up front.

Better QB play begins with the big fellas up front. Getting lit up while in the throwing motion, or chased out of what’s suppose to be a clean zone to throw, time and time again, doesn’t equate to stellar QB play.
 
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Run blocking improved enough to get Kaleb to the second level where he outran most of the D. His yards were impressive but a relatively high percentage of them were during the multiple 30-40 yd bursts. Wonderful to watch and kudos to the O-line in taking that step forward and Kaleb taking advantage of their improvement.

Pass blocking still sucks and without a clean pocket now and then the deep pass isn’t gonna happen. There is ZERO comparison to IOWA’s ability create clean pockets to other successful QB’s in the BIG because of the ever collapsing mess the IOWA QB’s have had to function with the past 5 years. It would be great to have a Lamar Jackson type QB under center, but it doesn’t seem possible. Because that’s what you would have needed the past half decade with the sieve up front.

Better QB play begins with the big fellas up front. Getting lit up while in the throwing motion, or chased out of what’s suppose to be a clean zone to throw, time and time again, doesn’t equate to stellar QB play.
It's time to recruit powerlifters/big people out of high school.
Bring in those that ALREADY bench 400/squat 700.
Doesn't have to be 5* prospects either; technique can be developed.
 
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Yeah. This current group probably has more combined snaps than any in Iowa history. Normally at Iowa this would have resulted in a truly dominant offensive line with a few All Americans. After a rough start Jones has turned into a solid performer as has Colby. Call it recruiting misses or bad development, Iowa tackle play has been suspect for the past 5 years, which has really impacted pass protection. The players that were recruited for the position either failed to show (Proctor), or develop as expected at the position and got moved inside to a guard spot (Colby and Stephens). Dunker looks to have finally broken that streak, but left tackle and depth are a problem headed into next year. Iowa could really use a tackle off the portal.
I don't think there's an extended point to be made here.

This group may not have had as many top dogs. Proctor would have changed that conversation. Regardless, they developed into a Moore semi-finalist line, and one that led the league in rushing for the first time in over 60 years (with 18 teams).

Again, Linderbaum, Britt, Davidkov, Ince, Miller, Fenske, Jenkins all ended up at Iowa by way of having been recruited there. And the overall nature of their attrition would not be characterized as recruiting busts or misses.

The line seems to be back in business. Some good returnees and I'm really high on Pieper. Also like Lauck's chances to be a good player. We'll see how the youngsters and present recruits pan out. Hopefully can fortify immediate depth with a couple from the portal
 
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