Looks like winning a Team Title just became much harder
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no loyalty,desanto been busting it for years, one of the hardest workers. if you yank him out for a merc,you might lose the rest of the team.
Does this rumor of Suriano to PSU have any legs? I cant find any mention of it on PSU forums.
They're too busy whining and crying about last Saturday.
There is no comparison to be made between Long and Suriano. Comparisons among Long, Downey, and Teasdale, though imperfect, would be more appropriate.
I also do not understand the logic behind claiming that transferring back to a school one has left previously should
somehow be barred. A transfer is a transfer. Two transfers are two transfers. Decommitting and then transferring to that same school later is equally fine. Who cares if someone tries a particular relationship more than once? It happens in life all the time.
Some people are just jumping at any perceived opportunity to gripe about a situation that does not benefit their favorite team.
I also do not understand the logic behind claiming that transferring back to a school one has left previously should
somehow be barred. A transfer is a transfer. Two transfers are two transfers. Decommitting and then transferring to that same school later is equally fine. Who cares if someone tries a particular relationship more than once? It happens in life all the time.
Some people are just jumping at any perceived opportunity to gripe about a situation that does not benefit their favorite team.
Carl bringing in Long smelled of desperation to win. Brands entertaining Downey smelled of desperation to win as well but at least he didn't roll him out on the mat at semester unchecked. Carl putting the desperado hat back on if he brings in Suriano. Suriano doesn't have any off mat issues but if Carl had any confidence in his ability to win without him he wouldn't be entertaining his presence. He is feeling desperation to win after two years of not having the best team.
If Suriano enrolls and graduates, then all is fair in love and war. If he wrestles but doesn't even make it to the end of the semester, that's another thing. I was not a fan of Pat Downey's dalliance with Iowa and was glad it didn't happen.
to deny spencer of his 4th is big here. sanderson is still smarting from lee choosing iowa and exposing negative recruiting tactics.
If Downey had stopped going to the bars/breaking the rules they laid out for him, he would have been on the mat. He wasn't in school and on the roster for fun. When Andrew Long was caught breaking the rules again, he was also shown the door. Long just managed to last a few months longer.
Neither was a good idea to bring in. Again, Pat Downey posed revenge porn to his social media and had a violent criminal record before coming to Iowa. I'm glad he never took the mat and him being in the room for the month or two he was was a big mistake imo.
Still waiting for anybody to point out a remotely comparable reason why bringing in Suriano is immoral other than "I don't like his persona."
From what I've seen in the rumor mill, he initially wanted to be at ASU, where he's trained the past year, but they weren't willing to turn their back on returning finalist Courtney at 125. I think PSU is more of a right place, right time kind of choice. Good program he can get into with a hole at the weight he wants to wrestle at.
Much respect to Zeke for sticking to his guy. Lucky coincidence for Carl with the injusry although past behavior indicates he would have happily cast Howard aside for 1 year of Suriano.
100% he would because it's one year and Howard has a redshirt to use.
I just don't get the insistence on getting mad about this. It's no different than when we brought in Lugo or Eierman. They wanted to be here and they made the team better. It's not a tough choice.
It'll make winning even sweeter if we beat them.
yes That brought back the memory of when in 2013 when Ed Ruth being suspended by Cael for being arrested at the State College Taco Bell all drunk and getting arrested for a DUI and causing trouble at 2 am . He was suspended indefinitely or inn that case until iowa match came up and Cael needed Fast Eddie back on the mats This was AFTER the time that Ed was arrested for fighting a Washington DC cop in another drunken rage... i knew right then Cael was willing to do anything to get the win
I have no issues with Carl trying to get Suriano. A hired assassin gets done in the pros all the time and the rules for this favor Carl and anybody else who wants to do this.
Is this anything like Montel Marion being permanently suspended for a DUI at 2:00 a.m. along with previous violations of student-athlete code of conduct?
https://www.hawkeyenation.com/archi...cle_946ec4a7-5226-5105-a7b2-cb8514ddf20a.html
Just announce it to the world there are no rules and let's get on with it.
There was a day when they had rules about transferring in-Conference specifically, and believe it or not there was merit to it for what shouldn't have to be explained. But none of that matters anymore, get rid of the Compliance Departments while you're at it, complete waste of time and money that can be spent elsewhere. Just make sure everyone gets the memo, it's a free for all, good luck.
beat me to it. we literally brought back montel from an indefinite suspension for the psu dual. and we pulled the upset because he broke alton.
If we had a hole at a weight going into the season and Tom didn’t jump at something like this, he would be skewered.
PSU’s 125 got injured. Suriano fills a legit need and would sit out a semester. Other than generally being a weird dude, there are no character issues with him. Your problem is with the system, not Carl or PSU.
You have a great memory! Just curious....what year did Turk shoot Stoll? And how long were they both suspended?
The unique circumstance in Suriano’s case is he’s already been there once before. That may be common in the pro’s, but it’s rare in college.
Oh, Alton broke alright. And it was almost painful to watch. I’m pretty sure I started wondering if there was a medical cause for him gassing at that point. Because that was messed up.
Pretty sure that's the point I've been making.
Other than the oddness about a Coach and Family that were at each other's throats not too long ago, and now everyone is best pals. That seems extremely odd to me, but to each his own.
We all know that. Don't think that was the direction he was headed, but pablow can confirm or deny I guess.
And yes, Alton needed oxygen in the worst way, but he didn't get it.
Can we quit throwing shade at anything PSU and just focus on getting better and winning? All of the but but buts that go on back and forth from PSU and Iowa posters is f*cking stupid. Quit complaining and beat who they put out in front of us.
I have a pretty good feeling Spencer Lee is going to really put a pounding on everyone this year, even more so then previously. Exactly how he does it with two bad knees is something I am still trying to figure out?
The fact that he did not have surgery, and was in the room this past week working out. Tells me someone must know better then me what they are doing. Also going through the B1Gs and NCAAs last year after hurting it at some point, reinforces what a bad ass he is!
The fact that he did not have surgery, and was in the room this past week working out. Tells me someone must know better then me what they are doing. Also going through the B1Gs and NCAAs last year after hurting it at some point, reinforces what a bad ass he is!
Thats the half of it...Suriano left with both sides battling each other...PSU didnt want to release him and the Suriano camp was all lawyered up fighting them and blaming them for how they treated his injury..It got really ugly...Then Nicky push ups goes to Rutgers and talks about how PSU is not for him
Phillip Laux went from Iowa to Northwestern and back to Iowa just a few years ago. I thought it was strange that the Big10 allowed it at the time.
I can see it now… a coach sending a “disgruntled,” athlete into the transfer portal to spend a year in the room of a rival before transferring back with a binder…
He went to 3 schools, Sconnie, Iowa (academic-All Big Ten), NW, Iowa and never saw the mat anywhere but Iowa. Stuck behind Gilman and Clark and same eligibility apparently.
Agreed that is odd, might be no one opposed his releases and I assume he practiced some(?), but never competed for anybody but Iowa. Article I saw wasn't clear, but they suggested he would have to sit out a year at NW unless he had a grad transfer situation, which they didn't know for certain at the time. He quickly returned to Iowa City, his hometown.
Of course it's fine. Not finding out about it until mid October made me want to kick my dog across the room though, has anyone EVER thought about my poor dog???
I think most of the drama in the situation comes from and revolves around NS himself.
I even read an insider "newsletter" PSU circulates, even they had a quote from Cael "All I can say is THANK GOD I never punished the little prick for transfering!"
Well, we do want our binder back. That’s kinda why Cael had Willie visit IC recently.
wow i forgot that all happened when one of them had assaulted police officer and then was drunk and assaulted numerous people in a public setting when he accidentally discharged a small gun that hit a teammate in the leg in their own apartment during the off season. Yeah the DUI they got was washed rom that whole deal now that i remember it ...in your terms..... APLLY BLUE BLINDERS and STARE STRAIGHT AHEAD....
It's a whole lot different than when Lugo & Eierman came in. If we beat them?? We are going to beat them multiple times this season and that will be sweet.
Suriano stated he's coming back for the NIL $$. Now I hear he's going to enroll 2nd semester and drop out after the NCAAs. If this is true, and Cael knows it's true, this is new new level of sleaze. And, Hawk fan or no, this is just making a mockery of intercollegiate athletes. Comparing this to the Iowa's transfers is stupid.
If this happens and he just wrestles say BIGs and NCAAs then leaves school then that is BS. Shows that athletics are more important and valued than an education and if that happens at any school they and the NCAA should be ashamed of themselves period.
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