Looks like winning a Team Title just became much harder
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Ha, sounds like some PSU fans trying to create a logic for Bob to follow as a motivator to go to PSU. He knows Cael and he knows how Cael handled the first situation. He also knows and has a high level of dislike for FIX and all of the advantages that kid is afforded and no I"m not even talking about drinking from dad's water bottle type of stuff. To get right down to it; I believe Bob would enjoy a win over FIX at 133 and ensuring that Fix might not EVER win a title. There is no love lost between Fix and Suriano either the wrestlers or the families. Trust me on that one! Let's see how this plays out. It was crazy watching John Smith lobby for a hands to the face call when his guy ran the whole match. I lost some respect for John Smith that day. I loved seeing Suriano knock off Fix and would love to see it again.
So what do you say about Iowa bringing in Pat Downey? He had just as many, if not more, issues as Long at the time Long transferred to PSU.
This is an over-emotional fan take. The comparison to Jaydin is not insulting. Both guys went to the school they wanted to wrestle for and maximize their potential. What's the crime for Suriano? Cutting back to 125? The weight he's wrestled at the last 2 years for freestyle? What would you say about Desanto doing it in high school?
You would be over the moon if a wrestler like Suriano announced he was coming to Iowa this year to take out a PSU national champion and win a team title. For example, if Myles Amine announced he was transferring for his last year and cutting to 184 to take out Brooks, you would be ecstatic.
Seems like the Fix's have issues with a lot of people. I've heard there isn't any love between them and the Lee's either.
No idea. Maybe in between Olympic Cycles. We've already got all the Internet Doctors opinions, and frankly I didn't learn a damn thing.
Which is fine, because I'm not a real Doctor and way too late to think about being one now.........
I’m not looking for an argument here. I’m just saying that ego or bruised ego’s made him leave (multiple locations now) and ego is bringing him back. Like I said, ego’s a hell of a thing.
Honestly, I'm STUNNED this is even possible. Obviously all the old Transfer rules have been obliterated, but I can't believe there isn't an NCAA rule about transferring back to a school you already transferred out of (one of those deals that nobody ever thought would be possible probably, but lo and behold maybe not....). It's bat shit crazy to think someone would even consider it IMO, and the same Coaching Staff that pissed you off in the first place. You gotta be a f'ed up individual or Family to think for more than a second about doing this considering the history. Boggles the mind.
The difference is we kicked Downey off the team because he wasn't following our program and the criteria the coaches set for him, which had a higher emphasis on making him a better person over better athlete, as we have always done. We gave him a chance to be a better person and turn things around with a very short leash, and when he showed that he didn't want to clean his act up, we cut him loose. Carl would've gladly wrestled Downey with all his issues and gathered those team points from him, as he did with Long.
Personally, I've said a thousand times that whatever school wants suriano can have him, but I wouldn't take him in a million years. I wouldn't be surprised if the coaches at Iowa don't want suriano either. There's a huge emphasis on culture and team aspect, and suriano would definitely put a dent in that.
Make no mistake that if eierman had an attitude issue or big problems off the mat, we wouldn't have taken him regardless of how badly we needed him. Or we would've at least had him on a very short leash, just like Downey.
If you break it down weight by weight it's looks like it may be closer than you realize. Suriano is huge for them since they have a hole at 25 otherwise. I don't see them with a "weak" weight when Nick suits up come January
Always seems very disingenuous to me when people bring up Iowa bringing in Downey as an excuse to say Iowa will do whatever it takes to win, putting us in the same boat as PSU and Long, when Downey was literally eligible for Iowa, on the roster and everything and we cut him loose because he didn't fit character wise.
At 125 NS will be pulling hard, with weigh ins I would not be surprised if he does not get to the finals at 10’s or the NCAAs.
125 is loaded and that multiple day weight cut will be tough for him, now the duels could be different. We may not like it, but Spencer should have a limited schedule for the reg season.
On the other hand, if Suriano knocks off Lee in the Big finals, Lee might be in for a battle to even make the NCAA finals.
Lol Riiiiight. He’ll be on the sidelines with Kem.
Not happening, but if it did You don’t want to see Lee anywhere at nationals. Warpath
Maybe Brands will pull a Carl and sit Lee for the Big Ten Finals? Then Spencer can grind his way to the NCAA Finals as a #7 seed, with some luck and a favorable draw of course........
You lost me comparing a guy who never was allowed to wrestle on the team. Claiming Suriano's short stop is to maximize his potential doesn't fit reality. A couple years is one thing, a couple months meh. He thought Rutgers was the place to maximize potential at one point then ego hurt and it was Sunkist. This move is all about NIL money and his and Carl's bursting egos. I could care less about him dropping weight just pointing out he wasn't so eager to make the cut before. The whole thing is classic Carl power trip. He is still pissed that Spencer even went to Iowa cuz it was a rare recruiting loss. This move is all about him trying to get back at Spencer and Iowa for that plus he might need to be committed if Iowa was better 3 years in a row.
The only part of your comment that I disagree with is "he has to take him." No he does not.
Actually, 125 was a true freshman that barely snuck into NCAA's and was the 23 seed. 149 was a mess and ended up with another true freshman that didn't even qualify. 157 had a major question mark due to Berge's concussions and 165 had Lee make it to NCAA's with a 6-5 record and leave with a 6-7 record. Finally, they ended up wrestling a barely wrestled Kerkvliet coming off major injury concerns over Nevills.
Make no mistake, with Suriano at 125, Facundo at 165 and Kerkvliet supposedly healthy at 285, they are a MUCH better team. I still think Iowa should beat that team, but they need to be hitting on all cylinders and can't have a 1 seed get hurt again and not AA.
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Maybe you know more than me, but from my recollection Long was arrested twice for drinking related offenses while at ISU. Downey, coming into Iowa, had drinking and drug troubles, assault and battery, posted revenge porn on his social media, etc...
All I'm saying is that the Andrew Long comparison for Suriano is ridiculous. When he got in trouble again at PSU he was immediately kicked off the team. When Downey broke the rules here, he was also kicked off the team. I think Suriano seems like a big ego/headcase, but he's never gotten in trouble or done anything unsavory other than transfer schools.
True, but why wouldn't he? Suriano has never gotten in trouble. He's always remained academically eligible. And he's a great wrestler.
I think a lot of people are projecting their dislike for his personality onto his actual deeds. He's grating, but not criminal.
Everybody keeps making these comparisons as if Suriano has an untenable attitude or off the mat issues. You know who else everybody said had a huge attitude? Gilman. Gilman has been loved on both teams he's been on. You can't say just because you don't like someone's public persona that they're a bad teammate.
I never said he shouldn't take him - just that he doesn't have to. Whatever he thinks is in the best interest of the Penn State program is his prerogative. The fact is the business and look of NCAA sports will not resemble anything we are used to very quickly. Who knows, at some point there may not even be a 4 years of competition eligibility as a maximum. If you are a full-time student, why shouldn't you be able to compete? That will be challenged some day. And yes, I understand the red-shirt and Olympic red-shirt rules.
Gilman was always a big team/family guy, has there ever been a teammate that talked up suriano? Not that I've heard of. Maybe he's a great person, admittedly I don't know much about him. But the way he school hops and carries himself leads me to believe he's only concerned with himself.
Have you ever heard a teammate say something negative about him? I've heard a few of his former teammates at PSU say good things about him after he left.
And I would agree that he's concerned about himself. That doesn't make him a bad teammate. I guarantee PSU teammates will love him if he helps bring them a team title.
That's fair. I will say everything about his actions off the mat lead me to believe he wouldn't be a good fit here. That being said, if he did end up here then I would trust that our coaches know what they're doing and either have his attitude in check or feel he is already a good fit for the program, and I'm sure Penn state fans would feel the same way if he ends up there.
I'm referring more to their lofty ranking prior to actually Wrestling in College. Without doing all the legwork On each guy of course.
as in all things penn st, i smell a rat
I guess. It's hard to predict what PSU will do at 149-165 (but certainly better at 165). Max Dean as well, who had a really good national tournament in 2019 after narrowly escaping Cash Wilcke. Otherwise a low AA type at 184 moving up a weight class. Beard might be better.
I was being generous and gave PSU 22 more points at 165/197/HWT than they scored last year, and adding Suriano to that, I have Iowa barely squeaking by. And I think a healthy Murin and Assad will actually score more points than I gave them in that scenario. It'll be interesting for sure, especially as the season plays out and the "unknowns" start to become clear.
Holy crap. I figured he was done for sure but after reading your post I checked it out and was shocked. Him and Kem are both 7th year guys.
He already had that opportunity once. Didn't seem to give a shit about Team Titles then did he? And he's been on the move ever since.
I don't think he's a "bad guy" per say, but I question their Family collective logic going back to PSU, when all he supposedly "covets" was there all along and he took his ball and went Home. Apparently the Big middle finger they gave Carl, must have been cured by an amputation or something. As stated, it boggles the mind.
FIFY
BTW, the Downey thing isn’t going well for you. In fact, it highlights the contrast between Cael and TB…and you brought it up 🤦♂️
I’d recommend conceding the point. Of course it’ll be more entertainment when you don’t. Ha.
Cael can bring in whoever he wants, he’s trying to win a wrestling tournament. I fail to see how bringing in Suriano has Any kind of moral implications.
The only piece I don't like, if true, would be him living in a satellite location and parachuting in for duals or Championship tournaments. And that would make him a bad teammate in my eyes too - not helping others get better in the room, etc.
Carl is doing exactly what I’d want my team’s coach to do. Just win. How can you knock anyone here? Carl gets a champ that could win him another natty and Suriano gets a chance at a team championship. Why is this thread so long? Jealousy? It’s stupid and hypocritical.
I’ll trade Suriano for Desanto if he wants to go 33 and if thought he could add to the Hawk’s team total and anyone else on the team. There is no moral high ground or detrimental loyalties here to stop me from wanting to win titles. That’s just me. Give the best, put them on the mat and put the title in the trophy-case.
I’ll trade Suriano for Desanto if he wants to go 33 and if thought he could add to the Hawk’s team total and anyone else on the team. There is no moral high ground or detrimental loyalties here to stop me from wanting to win titles. That’s just me. Give the best, put them on the mat and put the title in the trophy-case.
Partially agree with this. I wouldn't trade Desanto for Suriano though. Desanto has given alot to the program and is worth more than a couple extra points at NCAA's we'd likely get with Suriano.
If we had a pud at 133 that wasn't going to score pts then I'd be all ears, lol.
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