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It was available when first opened. But the demand from multiple sources drained the millions of gallons in the tanks quickly and that caused a drop in pressure further up the hill.

So...again, what would you have done differently? You still haven't laid out your plan items. You're just repeating MAGA Facebook talking points.
But again they must have had way too many firefighters on hand if they were going from empty hydrant to empty hydrant.

Here's the specifics you're looking for and it's obvious: get rid the the deadwood in the LAFD, not from the hillsides.
 
But again they must have had way too many firefighters on hand if they were going from empty hydrant to empty hydrant.

Here's the specifics you're looking for and it's obvious: get rid the the deadwood in the LAFD, not from the hillsides.
No, it was simply too many straws sucking at the same time. No one planned the system for 10,000 homes buring at once.
How would you have managed that better?
What deadwood? Which agencies? Please be specific as you have strong opinions so I'm sure that's based on detailed knowledge.
 
I don’t know who “you guys” is supposed to be. I don’t belong to either political club and certainly not MAGA. The incompetence of both parties is staggering and the name-calling from both extremes exhausting. The fact that neither could come up with somebody to defeat Trump is disturbing.
Another favorite MAGA archetype of mine are the guys too embarrassed to admit they like and voted for Trump on message boards while they attack only Democrats, always defend Trump, try to blame democrats for his nomination thrice / winning of the election twice, and are always, and I mean always, up for a game of “both sides”.

Where we are at as a country is not a both sides thing.
 
They must have seen you approaching with your trousers dropped.
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Another favorite MAGA archetype of mine are the guys too embarrassed to admit they like and voted for Trump on message boards while they attack only Democrats, always defend Trump, try to blame democrats for his nomination thrice / winning of the election twice, and are always, and I mean always, up for a game of “both sides”.

Where we are at as a country is not a both sides thing.
Yep, there's only one view of the world. Yours. Everybody fits into box A or box B. Period.
 
No, it was simply too many straws sucking at the same time. No one planned the system for 10,000 homes buring at once.
How would you have managed that better?
What deadwood? Which agencies? Please be specific as you have strong opinions so I'm sure that's based on detailed knowledge.
Oh my God, do you really think all 10,000 homes went up at once?

I'm done wasting my time with you.

Before I go I'll concede one thing however, the thermos joke was pretty dang funny. You can go ahead and feel good about that, btw👍.
 
Yep, there's only one view of the world. Yours. Everybody fits into box A or box B. Period.
Be careful, man. That poster is NOT afraid to put people on his ignore list.

And then announce to his fellow libs - sometimes more than once - that you have been ignored.

Psychologically, it can be quite devastating.
 
Oh my God, do you really think all 10,000 homes went up at once?

I'm done wasting my time with you.

Before I go I'll concede one thing however, the thermos joke was pretty dang funny. You can go ahead and feel good about that, btw👍.
The point there was correctly illustrated with the too many straws sucking at once comment. The exact amount of concurrent house fires doesn't really matter.
 
Wait a second! Don't tell me you're another dude who thinks there was no mismanagement at all.
I'm not sure about mismanagement, but I am positive management will review what went well and what didn't, and be better prepared for the next emergency event.
Oh my God, do you really think all 10,000 homes went up at once?

I'm done wasting my time with you.

Before I go I'll concede one thing however, the thermos joke was pretty dang funny. You can go ahead and feel good about that, btw👍.
How many homes were burning at once?
 
I'm not sure about mismanagement, but I am positive management will review what went well and what didn't, and be better prepared for the next emergency event.

How many homes were burning at once?
Do you really need an indeterminable number to assure you all 10,000 homes didn't go up at once?
 
Yeah, would've had more in the tank, extended capabilities to some degree. Incredibly bad timing to be offline for repairs.

It's not clear how widespread the dry fire hydrant problem was, and how far below capability the water system was.
(and how much that prevented homes from being saved)

Guessing we'll find out in time
 
Yeah, would've had more in the tank, extended capabilities to some degree. Incredibly bad timing to be offline for repairs.

It's not clear how widespread the dry fire hydrant problem was, and how far below capability the water system was.
(and how much that prevented homes from being saved)

Guessing we'll find out in time
Vote Republican in '26 like your life depends on it......because it does.....
 
The winds, speeding up to 100 miles an hour at times, sent showers of embers far across the landscape to ignite spot fires. The high winds meant that traditional firefighting was, at least in the beginning, all but impossible, David Acuna, a battalion chief for Cal Fire, told me: He saw videos of firefighters pointing their hoses toward flames, and the wind blowing the water in the other direction. And for a while, fire planes couldn’t fly. Even if they had, it wouldn’t have mattered, Acuna said. The fire retardant or water they would have dropped would have blown away, like the hose water. “It’s just physics,” he said.

 
Oh my God, do you really think all 10,000 homes went up at once?

I'm done wasting my time with you.

Before I go I'll concede one thing however, the thermos joke was pretty dang funny. You can go ahead and feel good about that, btw👍.
They all burned the same day.

Again, for having very strong opinions on 'mismanagement' all you can provide are fox news talking points.
Glad we're done wasting our time on one another as you seem as informed as the thermos guy.
 
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The reality is that in conditions like these, once a few houses caught fire in the Pacific Palisades, even the best firefighting could likely do little to keep the blaze from spreading, Michael Wara, a former member of California’s wildfire commission who now directs a climate-and-energy-policy program at Stanford, told me.

“Firefighting is not going to be effective in the context we saw a few days ago,” when winds were highest, he said. “You could put a fire truck in every driveway and it would not matter.” He recounted that he was once offered a job at UCLA, but when the university took him to look at potential places to live in the Pacific Palisades, he immediately saw hazards. “It had terrible evacuation routes, but also the street layout was aligned with the Santa Ana winds so that the houses would burn down like dominoes,” he said. “The houses themselves were built very, very close together, so that the radiant heat from one house would ignite the house next door.”
 
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Going forward. . .

As Wara put it, in fires like these, houses survive, or don’t, on their own. Sealed against ember incursion with screened vents, built using fire-resistant materials, separated from anything flammable—fencing, firewood, but especially vegetation—by at least five feet, a house has a chance. In 2020, California passed a law (yet to be enforced) requiring such borders around houses where fire hazard is highest.

It’s a hard sell, having five feet of stone and concrete lining the perimeter of one’s house, instead of California’s many floral delights. Making that the norm would require a serious social shift. But it could meaningfully cut losses, Kate Dargan, a former California state fire marshal, told me.
 
Be careful, man. That poster is NOT afraid to put people on his ignore list.

And then announce to his fellow libs - sometimes more than once - that you have been ignored.

Psychologically, it can be quite devastating.
I don't care if he puts me on ignore or if you do. I'm not here to please either one of your teams. I know that just drives you guys nuts that want everybody neatly divided into two camps. I don't see the world that way.
 
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I don't care if he puts me on ignore or if you do. I'm not here to please either one of your teams. I know that just drives you guys nuts that want everybody neatly divided into two camps. I don't see the world that way.
Was just yanking your chain. I don’t ignore people cuz I’m not a pussy.

I don’t vote so I’m probably not allowed on any teams.
 
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The sheer magnitude of the damage, lost lives, lost property.. should make the powers to be realize these events are the biggest threat out there and engineer solutions accordingly. 100 billion dollars of losses, probably more. So why not spend another 100 billion to insert half a mile wide fire proof barriers along the perimeter of any new and existing subdivisions construction with a flood gate to allow the barrier to be pumped full of ocean water in these types of events; sure costly, requires extreme engineering and overkill, but frankly, if it guarantees these fires stay in the mountains, it is invaluable.
 
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The sheer magnitude of the damage, lost lives, lost property.. should make the powers to be realize these events are the biggest threat out there and engineer solutions accordingly. 100 billion dollars of losses, probably more. So why not spend another 100 billion to insert half a mile wide fire proof barriers along the perimeter of any new and existing subdivisions construction with a flood gate to allow the barrier to be pumped full of ocean water in these types of events; sure costly, requires extreme engineering and overkill, but frankly, if it guarantees these fires stay in the mountains, it is invaluable.
What's your profession?
 
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The sheer magnitude of the damage, lost lives, lost property.. should make the powers to be realize these events are the biggest threat out there and engineer solutions accordingly. 100 billion dollars of losses, probably more. So why not spend another 100 billion to insert half a mile wide fire proof barriers along the perimeter of any new and existing subdivisions construction with a flood gate to allow the barrier to be pumped full of ocean water in these types of events; sure costly, requires extreme engineering and overkill, but frankly, if it guarantees these fires stay in the mountains, it is invaluable.
Yeah, even better we could build a giant dome over the city!! Who knows the formula for transparent aluminum?
 
Yeah, even better we could build a giant dome over the city!! Who knows the formula for transparent aluminum?
It’d probably be better than your entire neighborhood going up in flames


I’m saying $100 billion dollars can go along way to prevent things new innovations come along with that.
 
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