Los Angeles On Fire
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Again, a how much question. How much relevant equipment did they lose that was working before?
We can only assume that they weren't dumb enough to cut their mechanics and thus have lots of non functioning fire trucks or the like.
You could, in theory, take the 2% loss of budget and cut the most meaningful stuff. If that's the case, then that's idiotic management and they really ****ed up.
Usually what happens with budget cuts is that the most non essential items are cut. I'm guessing if we dig deeper that's what we'll find.
Not that department heads won't be angry about it.
Cut the budget by 100 million. You can complain about inflation all you want but that doesnt change the fact that dems cut back on fire relief funds.Again, the perspective thing. (this one is gonna hurt a bit for you)
He increased the budget for fighting wildfires from around 2 billion when he started to 3.8 billion this year.
From Fox:
A Fox News review of the current state budget showed that the state earmarked $3.79 billion and 10,742 employees for fire protection, a steep increase from the 2018-2019 budget, which allocated just over $2 billion and 5,829 employees for fire protection.
Gov. Newsom cut fire budget by $100M months before lethal California fires: report | Fox News
A review of California Gov. Newsom's budget cuts shows fire prevention funding was reduced substantially just months before the California fires.www.foxnews.com
Kinda having a lil' bit of fun here ... but are you directly stating, or at least implying, that FOX is a rather reputable news source?@Scruddy One of the things halfway reputable and responsible news sources will do is provide a bit of context around items like a budget cut.
That's what Fox news did with the story linked below. There was a 100m cut, but that was out of a 3.8b budget. And that came after a massive budget increase in recent years. (Newsome increased fire fighting budget by 90% in recent years)
A good news source contextualizes these numbers for the reader so as to engender a reasonable perspective.
News sources that want to foment outrage and get clicks and score political points don't do that. Unfortunately you seem to be defaulting to those news sources all too often.
Gov. Newsom cut fire budget by $100M months before lethal California fires: report | Fox News
A review of California Gov. Newsom's budget cuts shows fire prevention funding was reduced substantially just months before the California fires.
So he cut the budget by 100 million before these wild fires happened. Got it.@Scruddy One of the things halfway reputable and responsible news sources will do is provide a bit of context around items like a budget cut.
That's what Fox news did with the story linked below. There was a 100m cut, but that was out of a 3.8b budget. And that came after a massive budget increase in recent years. (Newsome increased fire fighting budget by 90% in recent years)
A good news source contextualizes these numbers for the reader so as to engender a reasonable perspective.
News sources that want to foment outrage and get clicks and score political points don't do that. Unfortunately you seem to be defaulting to those news sources all too often.
Gov. Newsom cut fire budget by $100M months before lethal California fires: report | Fox News
A review of California Gov. Newsom's budget cuts shows fire prevention funding was reduced substantially just months before the California fires.
Right. Fox online as a news source isn't terrible. They're biased in what they choose to cover, but they'll do what they did in that article. You can use them for information. (although not usually my last stop)
The worst are the talking heads on Fox.
Right, but they still had 3.7B in the bank. And 5 years earlier they only had 2B in the bank.
So there you go.
And as far as right leaning media online, Fox is a lot better than a lot of the junk out there that people pull from.
Budget Changes (2014-2025):
2014-2015: The LAFD's budget was approximately $500 million.
Mayor: Eric Garcetti (Democrat).
2019-2020: The budget increased to around $700 million, marking a 40% increase over five years.
Mayor: Eric Garcetti (Democrat).
2023-2024: The budget reached approximately $837 million, indicating a 19% increase from 2019.
Mayor: Karen Bass (Democrat).
2024-2025: The budget decreased to $819.64 million, a reduction of about 2% from the previous year.
Mayor: Karen Bass (Democrat).
So you were a HUGE fan of Democratic Mayor, Eric Garcetti, right? In fact, you loved Karen until this year's budget. I wonder what the true impact is of that 2% since the current budget didn't take effect until July 2024.
No, no, no.
We don't have to "only assume they weren't dumb enough to cut their mechanics." They did ... and it resulted in the 100 plus downed "fire apparatus" that again she said "absolutely negatively impacted" their efforts with these fires. Also remember that this is just one of the many reasons she said the City failed the dept and the peeps of LA.
Yes, you can safely assume most department heads won't cut the most important items relating to their operation.
Again though, we have no idea what the heck 100 downed fire apparatus actually means and how impactful that was.
Goooolly you're a stubborn mule!
But I can be a little stubborn too ... again we don't have to assume anything. She said what she said. She did say: that downed equipment absolutely impacted their efforts, they need 62(!) new Fire Stations, 100 more firefighters and so on.
I don't know on what basis you may doubt her credibility, but if only half of what she is saying is accurate that's still a very damning statement. Right?
This is the content this thread would have been full of in 2015. Along with some red cross and gofund me links and collective sadness and horror about the loss of life and property. Thanks MAGAs…..Putin and Xi appreciate the help.
Have you argued with people before?Goooolly you're a stubborn mule!
But I can be a little stubborn too ... again we don't have to assume anything. She said what she said. She did say: that downed equipment absolutely impacted their efforts, they need 62(!) new Fire Stations, 100 more firefighters and so on.
I don't know on what basis you may doubt her credibility, but if only half of what she is saying is accurate that's still a very damning statement. Right?
We're arguing over what impact the 2% cut had on the outcome realized from these fires.
You cited the 100 pieces of equipment out of use as a result of the cuts. I doubted that those had a large impact on the outcome. I doubted they would choose to cut really important items with the 2% loss. (you think she's credible; but apparently you think she might be a moron)
The next move would be figuring out exactly what the 2% amounted to; what the heck those 100 pieces of equip actually meant. (if that was indeed the result of the cut)
That's the thread we're on right now.
62 firestations? 100 firefighters? Sure, would of course be useful, but obviously would entail a giant budget increase and that didn't happen. No idea what your point is there.
The point is obvious: there was significant mismanagement.
You seem to imply that you are a competent debater. But let me "set you straight here." You are at a dead end and the best you can muster is "I doubt, I doubt, I doubt ... ."
Pretty inartful dodge there.
I'm saying the "significant mismanagement" -- which is apparently the 2% cut -- very likely did not have a significant impact in reducing the damage done by these fires.
I'm saying that if 10k structures burned, increasing the budget 2% would've had minimal impact. As in: maybe 50 more structures saved or the like.
Any actual updates on the fire in here or just pissing and moaning about who is at fault because of your dumb ass politics?
It's still burning.
Planes and helicopters are dropping water and fire retardant on the flames.
Pushing towards Brentwood. Although they've had some success stopping it via ariel fire-fighting. This wasn't possible initially due to winds.
www.latimes.com
All-out aerial assault works to save homes in Brentwood, Encino as Palisades fire approaches
The Palisades fire continues to threaten Brentwood and Encino, where an all-out aerial assault continues.
www.latimes.com
I'm not sure. I just turned on the news.
Lots of planes are dropping tons of gallons of water and fire retardant on the flames.
The 2% figure ... I got it.
But you can not look at that number in isolation and extrapolate therefore, there was not a significant impact. You want to dismiss the 100 plus pieces of non-operational equipment and layed off mechanics by repeating "I doubt." In the meantime I'm gonna listen more to what the Chief has to say, not that she is infallible, ofc.
There are many other issues too, besides the budget. I've mentioned the Keystone Firemen. Not their fault, ofc, but where is operational control?
There will likely be major changes, in the FD and resources going forward. Many likely to be the things Kristin Crowley has been rallying for. As Newsome said "There's got to be."
What Channel? But football is on. Was hoping to get some info in here. Here is a link for containment. It appears the big one is only 11% contained. Yikes. 5300 structures lost and 13 dead. Geez.
Map: See where Los Angeles County wildfires are burning
The Palisades Fire, Eaton Fire, Hurst Fire, Lidia Fire and Sunset Fire are burning in Los Angeles County. Here’s where.
www.nbclosangeles.com
What Channel? But football is on. Was hoping to get some info in here. Here is a link for containment. It appears the big one is only 11% contained. Yikes. 5300 structures lost and 13 dead. Geez.
Map: See where Los Angeles County wildfires are burning
The Palisades Fire, Eaton Fire, Hurst Fire, Lidia Fire and Sunset Fire are burning in Los Angeles County. Here’s where.
CNN.
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What Channel? But football is on. Was hoping to get some info in here. Here is a link for containment. It appears the big one is only 11% contained. Yikes. 5300 structures lost and 13 dead. Geez.
Map: See where Los Angeles County wildfires are burning
The Palisades Fire, Eaton Fire, Hurst Fire, Lidia Fire and Sunset Fire are burning in Los Angeles County. Here’s where.
Best bet is Amazon prime or Peacock have the local LA news stations
Oh Jesus Christ. I guess you missed the part where others did a civic duty and helped raise money for the people of Texas while Ted Cruz bolted and later blamed his kids. AOC went there and raised a million bucks for people who hate her. Good human. Why are you the way you are? You constantly pick the wrong side of basically every discussion.
I don’t blame parties for this unless their reps act ridiculously…like Tex Cruz. To me LA is a catastrophe and hurts a ton of AMERICANS. We’re supposed to come together when this crap happens.
You like to say that. How about you stop being a dickhead?
Hmmm…I’m the dickhead? Look in the mirror buddy.
You’re a dickhead. You’re just too effing stupid to know it. Stupid twat.
It's because he packed his bags and left the state w/ his family to a Caribbean island, Cletus.
Well, I see it's par for the course around here. Nothing actually be discussed in depth. Just insults, bias and bullshit.
Because he’s a both sides moron. One can only explain things to morons so many times. After that they become stupid twats.Well, I see it's par for the course around here. Nothing actually be discussed in depth. Just insults, bias and bullshit.
