I didnt say that. Your blind if you dont see old and new alum not fans of TT.
Loyalist or Revolutionist?
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We’ve had multiple people close to the program and former athletes confirm this, but I’m the one making shit up. Gotcha.
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Uh huh. I bet you are real pipeline of info into the minds of elite prospects everywhere
I think the only way you consider moving off TNT is if you get a DT,Burroughs, or Dake that would want the job.
I personally think Mark Hall would be a great hire as an assistant. Already coaching at a smaller program, and would fit nicely as a heavier coach that understands scrambling/technique as well as anyone. I don’t see Nolf leaving NLWC until he’s done competing, but he would be my first choice.
I personally think Mark Hall would be a great hire as an assistant. Already coaching at a smaller program, and would fit nicely as a heavier coach that understands scrambling/technique as well as anyone. I don’t see Nolf leaving NLWC until he’s done competing, but he would be my first choice.
If any changes are going to be made, I'd say it would need to occur within the next month.
Might have to bring Slay in to coach HWC in order to get Hall to come but I feel like that’s a move that could make a lot of sense with Spencer’s relationship and familiarity with Slay as well.
Many of them never were, but after this year's poor performance the drumbeats got a lot louder. Of course, the trolls are enjoying every moment of this too. I remember Hawk fans that never forgave them for dumping Jimmy Z.
With all due respect, you don't really have to be. Just look at the actions of the elite prospects. I think the choices they are making speak loud enough.
And this. This is exactly why Tom needs to be fired. In-fugging-credible
“TNT aren’t blind to our inability to scramble”
SO THEIR SOLUTION IS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A INABILITY TO SCRAMBLE?!?!?!?!?!
JFC they really are gibbering chimps.
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Well, you’re getting that impression from a fan’s perspective, so there’s that.
At this point I feel they have burned too many bridges and are too socially awkward and too set in their ways to be able to make the recruiting and development improvements that would be needed to enable the program to reach its full potential. If they hadn't ham strung themselves by seemingly not getting along with so many people it would be a lot easier sell. Possibly if they swallowed their stubbornness and buried the hatchet with a bunch of people. Terry went to HWC allowing new assistants to come in and open things up to change they could get things going but I am not seeing that happen. On top of everything they are getting pretty old on the wrestling coach age scale. I have no doubts about how much they care about their wrestlers and their dedication to the program but unfortunately those qualities alone do not equate to performing at the needed level.
It’s over for this staff as far as catching PSU goes. It’s not happening with this staff. But I don’t know if any staff could.
Let’s take a step back though. Catching PSU is the end goal, but this program isn’t even close to that. Sports in general is a game of riding momentum. Iowa had a chance to build that momentum after getting Spencer Lee. A chance to show that they can get dudes on top of the podium, while promoting an exciting style of wrestling. They did that somewhat. They got Lee on top of the podium, but no one else, COVID happened, and you had a dominant team finish their run riddled with injuries.
That built momentum is gone. While Lee was having his run and the team was at the top, I remember thinking is this just the Spencer Lee effect, or can Iowa sustain this. Now it’s 2024 and we have our answer.
Can Iowa wait until 2028 to get their next big head coach hire in Lee? I’m throwing Lee out there because he’s the only Iowa guy I would consider to replace TNT, and you know TNT want to be replaced by a Hawkeye. In my opinion, Iowa can’t wait until 2028/2029. If you have a chance of getting David Taylor, I’m doing whatever it takes to get him at Iowa.
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He’s not wrong - our upper weights 57-heavy don’t have a coach that is going to take them to the next level. As in winning titles. Plenty of head coaches have made such moves and it worked - NW brought in Andrew Howe, Cornell brought in gwizdowski, Nebraska - dalagnev, and so forth and so on. The attitude of love it or leave it will cause our downward slide to continue. Having the sack to make a needed change is tom’s job.
Spencer has talked about the decision to get or not get surgery at length in many interviews and even his and desantos Flo film. That would prob answer your question of the why behind the decision…
Mark hall is great defensively but didn’t take shots against high level guys - that’s why Valencia flew past him. We have guys that are great defensively (Morningstar). We need prolific scorers and finishers like DT or JB or Cox.
Maybe they were focusing on another recruit at the time but I do know they didn’t go that hard after Mendez. Not that they didn’t recruit him just didn’t go hard after him. If there was an Iowa style guy on the mat at ncaa’s it was Jesse.
And I’ve heard all of those interviews so I’ll reword my statement from before. I don’t agree with the reasoning to not get the surgery.
Is it possible to recruit more than one person at a time? Look, I understand getting out recruited by Penn State. But there are some serious hammers going to places like North Carolina!?!?! I'll be at Virginia Beach next weekend. I guarantee Iowa will not have a rep there. That's just the norm at these big events.
Obtuse? I’ll see you under the bridge at midnight, sir….
But seriously, a poster gave a lame excuse/perspective/interpretation of TnT’s inability to grasp the necessity of learning how to get comfortable scrambling. The poster thinks one can learn (another?) way around the necessity to scramble, eh?
But I’m not willing to accept the poster is speaking FOR the coach. So, verbally disrespecting a coach for words written by a civilian on a message board that may not reflect reality is reaching, maybe.
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The current setup also isn't working to just finish ahead of everyone else.
Good post.
Better finishes is my idea because I don’t see us getting better at scrambling. Watching PSU, they typically finish fast, especially on re-shots. I’ve posted in the past saying replacing the assistant coaches would be the place to start. I believe in loyalty because it’s how I was raised and it’s disappointing that it has vanished. My hope is TNT get to go out on their own terms.
Spencer has to do well to have any chance of gaining momentum. If he doesn’t, it will damage recruiting. Getting the extra top recruit could be contingent on it.
The risk of clearing the whole staff out isn’t worth it. How long would it take to knock PSU off its perch with a new staff?
After the Olympics this year they will have even more momentum, another reason why Spencer has to do well.
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Do you loyalists think the Patriots shouldn't have fired Bill Belichick?
Sports are about recent performance. Both for athletes and for coaches.
And the decision on whether or not to keep a coach or athlete needs to be made based on current and future expected performance, not their personality or how much you like a guy or what they've done in the past for the program.
Um…..
2024 NCAA Wrestling Championship Results
| 1 | Penn State | 172.5 |
| 2 | Cornell | 72.5 |
| 3 | Michigan | 71 |
| 4 | Iowa State | 68.5 |
| 5 | Iowa | 67 |
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For personal reasons, or because you truly believe Tom can turn it around for another NCAA title before his contract expires?
I’m so effin glad we’ve found yet another reason to heap a bunch of pressure on Spencer to save the program. Great. Our Lord and Savior. Just in time for Easter.
FYI, it will never make good sense to state or imply that the success of a program rides on one wrestler’s shoulders. It’s kinda douchey, too.
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Yep. And we could've had 3 Spencer's in the lineup this year and still not won nationals. We're a long ways off.
