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LSU vs Marquette today

For all of you blasting both teams, or any other with the same roster make up, think about this. A big chunk of the players are FR and SO, so they're young and inexperienced. In addition, pretty much all of them were "the man" on their HS and AAU teams, so they're used to being the one with ball all the time. Coaching those guys to be role players, do the little things, etc, is going to take a while.

How good would Iowa be if the were counting on all the new guys with little Jr/Sr leadership? They'd suck something fierce right now, regardless of the actual ability level. What was the difference between KY last year and the year before? Last year they have a few guys with experience, the year before they didn't have so much.

I'll respectfully respond with a measure of disagreement. Not to the whole point, as it is solid. And in fact I'll back you up with the first part of my point.

In 2012/13 folks remember what a young team we had with sometimes three freshmen starting. Twenty-five wins. Yet interestingly enough, our large group of freshmen and sophomores (including Gesell, Clemmons, Woodbury, White, Olaseni and Oglesby) only managed to play about 115 mpg! Around 85 mpg went to our lone senior May, and our juniors Marble, Basabe and McCabe. So one can see where the edge of having experienced players may have paid off.

Recruit, retain, develop.

The slight disagreement I have is that for this kind of old school basketball to work, you need guys that from the start recognize the value of team ball. Guys willing to sit, or give up minutes, or not demand the ball, or in some circumstances step up and be the guy who wants the ball in his hands. Coachable players. How good would Iowa be with a bunch of newbies with little Jr/Sr leadership? I suggest better than many other programs, as we recruit players willing to be part of the team. Or, if they don't have such desire, we beat it into them quickly.

A reason I don't get too worked up over all the freshmen and sophomores we'll have in 2016/17. We'll still have Jok, Uhl and the Juco Jones. And we'll have young guys who either buy in or sit.
 
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LSU has consistently underperformed with the coach there. He gets great talent but doesn't do anything to reel it in. Pretty tired of hearing about Simmons already, even though he'll only be there a year.
 
I'll respectfully respond with a measure of disagreement. Not to the whole point, as it is solid. And in fact I'll back you up with the first part of my point.

In 2012/13 folks remember what a young team we had with sometimes three freshmen starting. Twenty-five wins. Yet interestingly enough, our large group of freshmen and sophomores (including Gesell, Clemmons, Woodbury, White, Olaseni and Oglesby) only managed to play about 115 mpg! Around 85 mpg went to our lone senior May, and our juniors Marble, Basabe and McCabe. So one can see where the edge of having experienced players may have paid off.

Recruit, retain, develop.

The slight disagreement I have is that for this kind of old school basketball to work, you need guys that from the start recognize the value of team ball. Guys willing to sit, or give up minutes, or not demand the ball, or in some circumstances step up and be the guy who wants the ball in his hands. Coachable players. How good would Iowa be with a bunch of newbies with little Jr/Sr leadership? I suggest better than many other programs, as we recruit players willing to be part of the team. Or, if they don't have such desire, we beat it into them quickly.

A reason I don't get too worked up over all the freshmen and sophomores we'll have in 2016/17. We'll still have Jok, Uhl and the Juco Jones. And we'll have young guys who either buy in or sit.

Couldn't agree more. When Fran got to Iowa, the improvement due to coaching was evident immediately IMO. We may have been marginally talented and outmanned but Fran definitely got the most out of what he had and the boys managed to scare some better teams, albeit to fall short. If Iowa/Marquette had been a prize fight, the towel should have been thrown in in the first 10 minutes. Marquette scored 3 straight times before Fran righted the ship. Fran can coach. Steve Wojosuckski can't.
 
LSU has consistently underperformed with the coach there. He gets great talent but doesn't do anything to reel it in. Pretty tired of hearing about Simmons already, even though he'll only be there a year.

I personally love watching Simmons, but it may be in part due to my love to the NBA. I don't disagree that their coach's strength is definitely recruiting and not coaching. That said, they could have really used one or two of their bigs that went to the draft. I can't remember their names.
 
Simmons has 16 boards, 10 assists, 3 blocks, and 3 steals.......... with 2 points.
 
I watched most of the game and I would say Marquette looked tons better than they did in our game. Probably combination of us being very prepared plus a bit of an off night for them. The Freshman power forward looked very smooth as did their athletic guard who got the bloody nose. I think this blowout win will end up looking pretty good for us.
 
"Evolved"? You mean grown? Or just gotten better? The game didn't magically transform into another completely different kind of animal. Sorry, I'm just over the fraud of evolution being injected into every part of our lives.

Normally I don't do this, but really?

Evolve- develop gradually, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
 
Normally I don't do this, but really?

Evolve- develop gradually, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
Yes really. I know, I'm the same way. I don't normally remark on that stuff but you just proved my point. Nothing has ever "developed gradually from a simple to a more complex form", which is why I used "grown", ,or "gotten better". The way the OP used it, it implied that something, anything "evolved". I wish people would do their homework before pushing pseudoscience as fact.
 
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