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******Iowa St vs Iowa Game Thread******

What I don't understand his wife friend is not take time outs when the momentums changing
For the last 14 years Fran has taught his players to double team the ball and for the life of me, the number of times the opposition has drained wide open 3 pointers you would think that Fran and his coaching staff would wise up and stop teaching that style of defense, but no, Fran has got to be the most stubborn coach in the country, and again it cost Iowa a win, plus the lack of rebounding every year. I won't be sad if Fran leaves after this year for sure.
Sometimes triple teams for a 2 point shot and a wide wide open 3 point shor
 
You must be kidding. Iowa is a good team...only Auburn "felt" better in Iowa State's games thus far. But ISU has better players than Iowa...wins 8 of 10 times on a neutral court. Jones was just too much tonight...and our bigs with offensive rebounding and inside scoring were just damn good. Iowa couldn't match that. I'm not putting Iowa down...I think you have a tournament team on your hands...but Iowa State is just at another level in talent AND coaching.
yes, but Fran should have played Traore on him more.
 
I was in the car listening to the game and I thought it was the Iowa State feed on XM. I get home and turn the TV on and it's the same guys. Holy crap, are these guys the regular ISU announcers and they just happened to get picked up by the national broadcast?
This literally was the first Iowa State game these announcers worked all year.
 
Huh? Which position would do we have a starter better than ISU? Dix is the only one close.
Freeman, Sandfort and Dix. Iowa State isn’t great individually. They play great as a team. A bunch of guys willing to do the little things that make a difference. Complete opposite of EVERY Fran coached team.
 
I was actually surprised that a lot of Iowa players are better than I would have thought. They aren’t at Iowa State’s level, though, for sure.

Fran is a terrible in-game coach. He’s right about that.
Wait wait wait. Wait a minute.

You mean to tell me that this is not a good look for a coach, if he means to portray his seriousness to be there on the sideline at games??

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Freeman, Sandfort and Dix. Iowa State isn’t great individually. They play great as a team. A bunch of guys willing to do the little things that make a difference. Complete opposite of EVERY Fran coached team.
Who are you saying Freeman and Sandfort are better than for ISU?
 
In the same way I don't miss Perkins and PMac this year I wouldn't have missed seeing Sandfort. In fact, I would have actively enjoyed not seeing his losing brand of basketball.
 
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Lost to #2 Auburn on a tip in. Beat #6 Marquette by 11. Beat Dayton, Colorado and Iowa.
Marquette losing in Ames moved them into a #1 seed in bracketology. I have followed ISU since Johnny Orr took over, and from what I have seen, this is the best ISU team in 50 years. And there have been some great teams in those 50 years. Most were very good offensive teams, but none of them had this level of defense to go with it.
 
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You must be kidding. Iowa is a good team...only Auburn "felt" better in Iowa State's games thus far. But ISU has better players than Iowa...wins 8 of 10 times on a neutral court. Jones was just too much tonight...and our bigs with offensive rebounding and inside scoring were just damn good. Iowa couldn't match that. I'm not putting Iowa down...I think you have a tournament team on your hands...but Iowa State is just at another level in talent AND coaching.
State has better in game coaching by a wide margin. their team responds to TJ in a killer attack dog mode. Actually as a fan it’s fun to watch.
 
Guys played a really good game tonight. I think this team is way better than people think. Our defense was good tonight. When State scored, they had to work hard to get their shots. Their made threes were well beyond the arc. Fran is just not the coach that Otzelberger is. Not in recruiting, for sure coaching defense, developing talent, or in game coaching. But this is a good team and is entertaining to watch. If we stay healthy and get Traore some steady minutes, it should be a good year. Really liked our starting lineup. Laji played well off the bench. Guards won't face to any team as good as State, in the Big Ten.
 
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Guys played a really good game tonight. I think this team is way better than people think. Our defense was good tonight. When State scored, they had to work hard to get their shots. Their made threes were well beyond the arc. Fran is just not the coach that Otzelberger is. Not in recruiting, for sure coaching defense, developing talent, or in game coaching. But this is a good team and is entertaining to watch. If we stay healthy and get Traore some steady minutes, it should be a good year. Really liked our starting lineup. Laji played well off the bench. Guards won't face to any team as good as State, in the Big Ten.
Fran was hired when Chet Culver was Governor of our state. Let that sink in when you pond er Iowa basketball and the NCAA tournement
 
IA choked the last 5 minutes. Ran out of gas. I agree that Fran should have called a timeout to stop ISU momentum, set the offense, and give the boys a rest..

Good point on use of time outs.

Fran called 2 time outs in the 2nd half:
(1) 8:44 to go, Iowa leading 66-64
(2) 12 seconds to go with the game over, trailing 86-78

The game was either tied or Iowa led for 36:55 of the 40 minutes. Just sucks.
 
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Fran was hired when Chet Culver was Governor of our state. Let that sink in when you pond er Iowa basketball and the NCAA tournement
Sad ain't it. Not saying anything about the tournament, I'm a fan and I'll hope for the best. The guys played well tonight but played a team that if it were in the Big Ten would be the team I'd pick to win the league going away.
 
I’m trying to think of the last time I was truly excited about Iowa basketball. Probably the Andre Woolridge/Chris Kingsbury years. Alford-Lick-Fran has been basketball purgatory bordering on hell.
This. Those were my favorite years as well, I was too young to remember the 80’s run. It’s not a lot of fun when you know the ceiling has been met and it’s the same d*mn movie every year. Dr. Tom had comparable talent, but coached defense and required intensity and effort. I know, I know, we could go back to lickliter levels if we let Fran go. I’d rather take a shot of new hope and fail than live in mediocrity until I’m put in the ground.
 
This literally was the first Iowa State game these announcers worked all year.
Ok, I didn't know but they sure were cheering for them a lot. To be fair, I didn't think they were terrible with their knowledge of the game or anything like that, they just were excited to see ISU. And maybe that's fair too. Outside of Freeman there isn't a whole lot else to get excited about on this Iowa team. I mean, sure, maybe one of their shooters gets hot on a particular night but there's no consistency there and that's a big part of the problem.
 
I’m trying to think of the last time I was truly excited about Iowa basketball. Probably the Andre Woolridge/Chris Kingsbury years. Alford-Lick-Fran has been basketball purgatory bordering on hell.
Horner, Bruner and Haluska. Sold out Carver every night. Undefeated at home. BIG tourney Champs. Thats exciting. (Until first round tourney flop) on last second 3 after leading by 17
 
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Fran must think unused timeouts will accumulate and extend his lifespan.

Your team is gassed, just blew a 10 point lead and is getting killed on the boards with less than 3 minutes left. Play on!
 
You must be kidding. Iowa is a good team...only Auburn "felt" better in Iowa State's games thus far. But ISU has better players than Iowa...wins 8 of 10 times on a neutral court. Jones was just too much tonight...and our bigs with offensive rebounding and inside scoring were just damn good. Iowa couldn't match that. I'm not putting Iowa down...I think you have a tournament team on your hands...but Iowa State is just at another level in talent AND coaching.

Take it easy clone..your team can still get unlucky in NCAA tourney and be bounced out early. This is thread on Iowa, not for you to pump up your team and make your feel better.


Building a roster is part of coaching. The end result is what defines coaching. Fran didn't lose the game based on his 2hrs of bench coaching. He lost it in roster construction and a flawed system that doesn't emphasize defense.
 
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I’m trying to think of the last time I was truly excited about Iowa basketball. Probably the Andre Woolridge/Chris Kingsbury years. Alford-Lick-Fran has been basketball purgatory bordering on hell.
For me it's every time the women play. I try but I just don't care about the men's team and it's been that way since Fran treated his kids like super stars who played over much better players.

I went from never missing a game to watching if it's convenient.
 
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Fran played Payton 39 minutes. No reason for it. Iowa has enough depth that there is no one who should play more than 30 minutes. And Freeman looks gassed out there. Breathing very heavily. Maybe has a cold? Dembele deserved more than 14 minutes & Traore as well.
In the same way I don't miss Perkins and PMac this year I wouldn't have missed seeing Sandfort. In fact, I would have actively enjoyed not seeing his losing brand of basketball
 
Fran played Payton 39 minutes. No reason for it. Iowa has enough depth that there is no one who should play more than 30 minutes. And Freeman looks gassed out there. Breathing very heavily. Maybe has a cold? Dembele deserved more than 14 minutes & Traore as well.
Marquette losing in Ames moved them into a #1 seed in bracketology. I have followed ISU since Johnny Orr took over, and from what I have seen, this is the best ISU team in 50 years. And there have been some great teams in those 50 years. Most were very good offensive teams, but none of them had this level of defense to go with it.
IDK, Jeff Grayer, Victor Alexander, Hornacek were on some very good teams. And they had an elite 8 appearance where they actually got screwed & shouldv'e beenin the Final Four one year.
 
This. Those were my favorite years as well, I was too young to remember the 80’s run. It’s not a lot of fun when you know the ceiling has been met and it’s the same d*mn movie every year. Dr. Tom had comparable talent, but coached defense and required intensity and effort. I know, I know, we could go back to lickliter levels if we let Fran go. I’d rather take a shot of new hope and fail than live in mediocrity until I’m put in the ground.
Dr. Tom had NBA players: Marble, Lohuas, BJ, Gamble all on the same team I believe. Much better talent than Fran has brought in.
 
Take it easy clone..your team can still get unlucky in NCAA tourney and be bounced out early. This is thread on Iowa, not for you to pump up your team and make your feel better.


Building a roster is part of coaching. The end result is what defines coaching. Fran didn't lose the game based on his 2hrs of bench coaching. He lost it in roster construction and a flawed system that doesn't emphasize defense.
both can be true
 
Man. This went South in a hurry.
Ok
Good point on use of time outs.

Fran called 2 time outs in the 2nd half:
(1) 8:44 to go, Iowa leading 66-64
(2) 12 seconds to go with the game over, trailing 86-78

The game was either tied or Iowa led for 36:55 of the 40 minutes. Just sucks.
I think the questions about the in-game coaching--game planning was actually excellent by Iowa--besides timeout usage was lack of giving the starters more rest by going deeper into the bench or giving the bench more minutes. When asked about that in the post game presser, Fran was a bit snippy saying the team didn't have tired legs, but shooting seemed to contradict that. In fairness, I don't know the status of Traore's ankle, but feel the Hawks need his athleticism on the floor. The big question on Fran has to be recruiting and balanced roster construction. I think the excellent game plan gave the Hawks a good chance to win against a bigger, more athletic and experienced team. While defense and rebounding are certainly not strengths, that is as much like a recruiting issue as a coaching issue.
 
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