They could have driven him to orgasm by actually hanging Pence/Pelosi.
Maybe this saves the Republican Party
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The big thing IMO isn't necessarily the name of the party but what do you do with all of the Republicans who rolled over and just did everything Trump wanted and backed him no matter what horrible thing he did or said.
If you followed Trump into his coup or defended his coup attempt after the fact, I don't see how I could ever trust you with the levers of power again.
Adam Kinsinger, Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Peter Meijer, Justin Amash, though they might call themselves Republicans I could at least trust that they have a line that they just arn't willing to cross.
The people in office now who have backed Trump no matter what he wanted to do, how I can anyone trust them. They showed that they have no line that they won't cross.
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Please tell me you understand the hilarious hypocrisy of putting these two sentences next to each other.
I disagree. The founders wouldn't have cared how many came... they wanted and needed people to build up the new nation. I agree there would have been some divide on people of color or perhaps religion, but I am not sure to what extent. I do know that they wanted freedom to choose, so maybe they wouldn't have been restrictive. However, we can all recognize life is different now and religions and cultures are now mixed... so we have to deal with that. I'm fine with immigration, but I would have folks apply online at embassy in their country. I'd secure the borders... both north and south to have a better handle on weaknesses and who's trying to enter in this age of terrorism. But, I'd allow Mexicans to cross to work like they always have. I'd create a system to penalize businesses with illegals and reward those who are here being productive and lawful... because we need them.
do you know what is mean when I say as well.
In case you don’t, I’m saying keep the ACA and helping people who need insurance help AS WELL as helping people who don’t need help with insurance.
Please explain the hypocrisy in that.
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No offense, but you are just incredibly simple minded. You reason at the level of about a second-grader.
Didn't you ask why you should support the ACA when it doesn't benefit you? Pretty sure you said that. And again it's wild Rs like you are running with this narrative. It isn't both sides unwilling to compromise and negotiate agreements. Democrats in congress have proven over and over they are willing to work and do what is necessary but Republicans refuse it's their way or nothing. How do you not see that?
love it...I think Islam would have been out though..especially if that saw the world today
thats the thing. It’s simple to realize both parties have nut jobs and both parties need to work together. So simple that a second grader can see it. Yet you’re so sophisticated that it’s beneath you and you can’t see it.
Must be hard being so intelligent. Even second graders know better than to have a hissy fit when someone has a different opinion.
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I actually read a lot of biographies and most of the most influential Founding Fathers had a fair amount of respect for Islam. Keep in mind, in the 18th Century, there were far fewer radical Muslims and we were not that far removed from the days when Islamic scientists were at the forefront of astronomy and mathematics.
A brief example:
Islam and the Founding Fathers
When the American Constitution was ratified in 1787, the Founding Fathers decreed that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise therefore.” In 1783, George Washington (1732-1799), the first president of the United States, stated that “The bosom of America is open to receive . . . the oppressed and the persecuted of all Nations and Religions; whom we shall welcome to a participation of all our rights and privileges… They may be Muslims, Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be atheists” (Spellberg 5). When it came to workers, he judged people based on their character as opposed to their creed: “If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Muslims, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists” (Spellberg 5).John Adams (1797-1801), the second President of the United States and the first Vice President, described the Prophet Muhammad as one of the world’s “sober inquirers of truth” alongside such figures as Confucius, Socrates, and Franklin and cited him as a model of compassion.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), the third President of the United States, owned and read a copy of the Qur’an. When it came to law, Thomas Jefferson insisted upon being universal. He opposed the use of “Jesus Christ,” and other synonyms, in bills, since it implied “a restriction of the liberty defined in the Bill to those professing his religion only” (Spellberg 119-120). He specifically stated that the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786) was written “to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Muslim, the Hindu, and infidel of every denomination.” Speaking of the Constitution of 1780, Massachusetts governor, Chief Justice Theophilus Parsons, affirmed that it afforded “the most ample liberty of conscience… to Deists, Muslims, Jews, and Christians.”
Quoting John Locke (1632-1704), Thomas Jefferson asserted that “Neither Pagan nor Muslim nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the Commonwealth because of his religion.” His ally, Richard Henry Lee, even passed a motion in Congress on June 7, 1776, in which he asserted that “True freedom embraces the Muslim and the Hindu as well as the Christian religion.”
The University of Virginia, founded by Thomas Jefferson, includes a visual tribute to his commitment to religious pluralism. It features the statue of an angel carrying a tablet inscribed with the words “Religious Freedom, 1786” and which includes the names God, Allah, Jehovah, and Brahma.
Although some Americans believe that Islam has always been fundamentally at war with the West, the fact of the matter is that the Ottoman Empire, the most powerful Muslim political entity of the period, concluded a treaty with the United States that was inspired by the Covenant of the Prophet. The Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Ottoman Empire, signed by President John Adams in 1797, proves this to be true. It reads:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the Laws, religion, or tranquility, of Muslims; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Muslim nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. (Spellberg 207)
Thomas Jefferson and the Covenants of the Prophet Muhammad - Maydan
Introduction The revelation that Thomas Jefferson had a Qur’an and that Islam had influenced the Founding Fathers of the United States was groundbreaking. Inspired by the findings published by Denise A. Spellberg in Thomas Jefferson’s...
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While I don't disagree with you, the highlighted part doesn't accept the fact of the situation. Telling people they're stupid is rarely a bridge to compromise. IMHO, a candidate must emerge that has SOME appeal to the MAGA portion of the party, but ultimately is more rational and a person with more steak than sizzle. That would be a step in the right direction. That said, I have no clue who that could be.
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One person in this thread is having a hissy fit and it certainly is not me.
I thought it was very clear even as he won the election he never actually thought he’d win.
I’m sure I’ve said something similar in response of why should i solely support the ACA if nothing is going to be done to help me out. I brought up that I don’t get paid jack sheet and said I’d love to support the ACA as long as we are fighting for better wages for the people that already have great insurance. But of course I’m labeled as selfish because I want to help out multiple groups of people and not just the ones needing better insurance.
I don’t know what the Republican Party is or isn’t doing nor do I know what the Democratic Party is or isn’t doing. I don’t get a boner over that stuff.
I do know when my life has tended to be easier when a certain party has political power.
My bad for trying to survive and have a decent life for myself and my family.
By voting for someone I'm giving them at least some level of trust.
Do I trust that they will never lie or anything like that no. But these days I'm voting for the ones I trust to respect the results of elections.
I don't disagree with you at all, but to be viable it would require an abandonment of the current Electoral College system for POTUS elections. There's absolutely no way the current GOP would support that type of reform, or the Democratic party for that matter. They both understand the political power the EC preserves for them by maintaining a bipartisan system where newcomers are essentially completely unviable.
That highlighted statement didn't call anyone stupid. I said the GOP must clean up their unimaginably huge mess before they can be taken seriously on any other point. Their party is Trump...Trump is their party. Trump can literally call Ted Cruz's family assassins and Ted just excuses it. There is no Trump-lite so the idea that such a candidate could appeal to the mouth-breathing MAGAts just doesn't track. They are all about "purity" in every way.
For the GOP to survive, they will have to exorcise those idiots - including those office holders - who have kissed Trump's ass at every opportunity, and lose elections until they can craft policies that have broader appeal. As it is right now, they can't even craft policies of any kind beyond doing whatever Trump says and I see no path beyond that.
So you are fine with being tied to a low paying job because you need the insurance? Maybe find a higher income and get yourself on the ACA…
Exactly you still only care about one group of people.
I’m supposed to leave my job with tenure and a place where I’m building a decent retirement package because you don’t want to help multiple people. Just someone with shit insurance.
Plus how isn’t this much different than someone scamming the system and living off welfare. Someone is paying for that ACA insurance and you want me to take advantage of it.
Chishawk being “right” about Trump and MAGA isn’t that boast-worthy IMO. I can claim the same status, as I have been against Trump and his movement from the beginning.
Chishawk’s issue, as another poster pointed out, is his delivery more than his message. And what I said is correct: his histrionics do more to push people toward Trump than away.
Libs like to highlight how much of an asshole Trump is in his delivery; well, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The biggest issue with Chishawk is his behavior on here seems to reflect a belief that the Almighty has bestowed upon him the duty of going on a message board crusade to rid the United States of fascism and tyranny. And, yes, that is utterly ridiculous.
That’s the point.
Your message is a lot different, and one I can be on board with.
That’s a lot different than this:
If Trump had said that about the Democratic Party, the interpretation would undoubtedly be that Trump was making a call for violence to kill all Democrats. Since Chishawk has the emotional intelligence of Trump, I am not going to error on the side of giving him the benefit of the doubt.
If he’s a Democrat, he’s right all the time. F**k yeah.
Need more posts with Dem tweets! Get to work!
And Joe cares about the country??? Give. Me. A. F**king. Break.
And FYI - money is what makes this world work. Money is priority #1.
Chishawk is Richard the Lionheart.
Richard the Lionheart is Chishawk.
Keep up the good fight! You’re doing the Lord’s work.
Just a suggestion bud. I don’t know why you stay in a job that “doesn’t pay sheet.” You are choosing to trade off a higher wage for good insurance and that is great you can do that. Not everyone has that choice.
You sound angry. Did your mom not give you a cookie today?
There was a time in my life when people who ran for public service cared about the country and the people they represent rather then how much grift they can pocket.
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