Where is Eddie? He usually eats these things. Not recently, Clark. He read that squirrels were high in cholesterol.
Michael Zachary
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Pablow - a guy can't have an opinion? You take it way too personally. Did you not see my post about not putting down the kid or program?
WWD - you should buy it. If you don't you need to get a little more involved in college wrestling.
MVP - not an ISU fan a wrestling fan, coach, college/hs wrestler for more than 30 years.
WWD - you should buy it. If you don't you need to get a little more involved in college wrestling.
MVP - not an ISU fan a wrestling fan, coach, college/hs wrestler for more than 30 years.
I would say that posting an opinion on a potential recruit's ability to comfortably fit into a program (from a distance) could reasonably be seen as an attempt to put down either the recruit, the school, or both.
You haven't posted one reason as to why you actually believe it isn't a good fit. You come on an Iowa message board and say a kid isn't a good fit for Iowa without providing any rational, and you are dumbfounded as to why people don't take you seriously. You're either a troll or extremely dense.
And I won't post a reason. Then it would appear that I am a troll. Putting down programs is not what I am about. I personally feel there are better fits for this young man. That's it. No details necessary.
In the end it is about what the kid and his family feel not what a message board says. History will back me on this. How many kids have been recruited by the boards? TONS! And most of them make a decision on their own with no influence from us on here.
This will be the end of my contribution to this topic. If the young man in question chooses Iowa I hope he has a great experience and incredible career. I really do.
Those of you who think I don't know what I am talking about must be fans who know very little about what really occurs in college wrestling programs.
In the end it is about what the kid and his family feel not what a message board says. History will back me on this. How many kids have been recruited by the boards? TONS! And most of them make a decision on their own with no influence from us on here.
This will be the end of my contribution to this topic. If the young man in question chooses Iowa I hope he has a great experience and incredible career. I really do.
Those of you who think I don't know what I am talking about must be fans who know very little about what really occurs in college wrestling programs.
Ive known the Brands bro's for over 30 years. Never once heard anything like your elluding too.
I agree with you you to a point and I know what you are trying to say. Some posters just dont like hearing naked truths. I know a bit about the Zachary kid and he is a double leg machine and I think he has the athletisism to translate it to D1 which is very rare. However many on this board dont know whay he quit the team before state last year and I would guess that what you may be hinting at. The Zachary family is from Indianola and commuts to Dowling every day. They have had many kids. Most adopted. and most go to Central. Good family, the dad is a great man and religion is the most important thing to them. I would guess thats the one angle that may have Iowa in play. Morningstar seems to play that card well and Zachary would fit in good with Marinelli for sure in that regard. But in reality your a spot on about hunting, country music and and I will add a 3rd one, right wing conservatives ( trump for example).
This is why in other threads I shout we need Ramos on this staff recruiting. We cant have 30 Metcalf type personalities and ever land anything other than a kid who wears camoflauge and only can talk Elk. We got that angle down guys.
All that being said, i typically dont like to take the typically low ranked iowa kid. But Ive been saying I like this kid since I saw him dismantle Hellickson in the Metro conf tourney 2 years ago. I was so impressed with him and Ethan Anderson as Sophs, thought they were the best two D1 prospects regardless of age then. Im all for getting him in the room if the offer is right. He very well could be the 149 in waiting after Sorenson and Id like to see where Zacharys ceiling is at after one year in the room wrestling full time compared to say Happel who has been all about wrestling and privy to better rooms since birth. I can see this kid shocking the heck out of many of you down the road and I typically never say that about iowa kids. He has a bit of that rare quickness that reminds me of Montell but more in line with James Green and Burroughs but way under radar. Imagine when he buys all the way into wrestling and given the same resources as some of the eastern Iowa kids get. Marion didnt have this kids double.
Thats the difference in Meeks who was already at his ceiling vs this kid. But I trust Brands to recognize this raw athlete and then see if he wants all in or not.
Here we go again. Trump, Metcalf, God, . . . blah, blah, . . .you left out Twitter.
LOL at saying you don't want 30 Metcalfs but you want Ramos. Guess what? Ramos hunts and fishes with the guys too.
To come on this board with a cryptic message about "not a good fit", while not elaborating strikes me as trollish. Whether or not someone is "a good fit" is decided by the recruit and his family, not anonymous forum posters.
i agree with iHawkd9 about the desirability of getting a guy with quickness and athleticism, with a high potential, given top coaching and workout partners.
i agree with iHawkd9 about the desirability of getting a guy with quickness and athleticism, with a high potential, given top coaching and workout partners.
If you got the boots to say a guy isn't a good fit, you need to lace them up and say why. Other wise you're just wearing shit kickers. Some of us don't know, and some of us just don't know, we don't know.
Exactly. A guy like Ramos can blend in with anyone. Guess what, so can Cael because he is a salesman first. I want some diversity in this coaching staff so no recruits door is already prejudged and closed as he deems he cant fit in. You dont think the Brands are already prejudged more so than any other elite coaches?
LOL right back at ya.
I WISH we had 3 Metcalf's let alone 30! Before this thing gets too out of line let's be clear. A kid doesn't have to be limited to squirrels. There is always Gophers and PSU Lions; pretty much covers all of the rodent family right?
Badgers? Are earth sucking mammals aren't they? How about Wolverines (AKA skunk bears) also mammalians?
Meeks wasn't at his ceiling. He went to a program that was a terrible fit.
Genuine question here. Have you ever hung out with any of the Iowa coaches or Ramos outside of a wrestling meet or banquet? Had a conversation lasting longer than 5 minutes with them?
My wife says Zachary wants to go to Iowa - "I think that's what his father told me." Me - "You think! [getting a little pissy] What did he say? " W - "He said he wants to go to Iowa." Me - are you sure?. W - "I think."
Anaylysis: Since Idaho has no wrestling program, I'm assuming she got the "Iowa" part right. Now, since wife is an ISU grad and Cyclone nut, if Dr. Zachary said Iowa State she would have caught that. Because Michael Zahary said his chooses [now] are Iowa, ISU, and Nebraska, I'm saying he's a clear Iowa lean now. So let's go get him before he gets contacted by the Nitany Lion Student Loan Club.
Anaylysis: Since Idaho has no wrestling program, I'm assuming she got the "Iowa" part right. Now, since wife is an ISU grad and Cyclone nut, if Dr. Zachary said Iowa State she would have caught that. Because Michael Zahary said his chooses [now] are Iowa, ISU, and Nebraska, I'm saying he's a clear Iowa lean now. So let's go get him before he gets contacted by the Nitany Lion Student Loan Club.
Anyone who's followed him over the years knows it is the latter.
So this is a racial thing? I'd hope not because my main concern for a kid is excellence inside the room and mutual respect inside and out. Wrestling is the most egalitarian sport out there.This kind of crap used to get insinuated about Gable.
In society, there seems to be a narrative that young black men need a black man of authority to mentor them to success because only they can understand the social and cultural issues of the young man. IMO, this is completely false any more than it is necessary for young white men to need a white mentor. One of my best supervisors, and we tend to take that stuff seriously in the military, was a black guy who looked like the dude from The Green Mile. A gentle giant but very smart when it came to handling younger troops and being able to pull the right strings to motivate them. Also knew his job stuff. Only worked for the guy for a year but learned a lot. To this day, we are good buds. Likewise, I have done the same for other black guys who I've supervised. All of that outside stuff doesn't really matter because one doesn't have a choice in my career and we just have to make it work if we were to succeed as a team.
I think it was Ihawk that said we need to get somebody on staff who is "culturally relatable" to young wrestlers of color. He gives Tony Ramos as an example who as far as I know, is himself a "Red Nexican." To me, it shouldn't matter and maybe you'll miss out on some recruits because of it but excellence should always come first. Seemed to work out for Tony. Speaking of Iowa State, the Gallick Bros went to a Sunnyside High School down here in Tucson that is almost 93% hispanic and 2% white. They were coached by a black guy named Bobby Deberry. The Gallicks didn't go to Sunnyside for the cultural or educational opportunities. They went there because Sunnyside has an outstanding wrestling program with a great coach who could help them get to the next level. This is how a free market should work. BTW, Tucson has open enrollment and the Gallicks lived on the other side of the city and probably could have went to one of the richie-rich schools up in the foothills in Tucson. BTWW-I always get a kick out of how they pronounce Ramos. Instead of Rah-mos which is the Spanish pronunciation...it's Ray-Mos which is the English way.
All of it is a false argument anyways as one goes to college to learn and associate with a "diverse" people. At least that's the bill of goods. I don't need my wrestling coach to be a part time reverend to fill my religious needs. I don't need my wrestling coach to be my math tutor. Why the heck would I need him to fulfill my cultural needs. If that's the case, I believe Iowa has several black fraternities/and clubs in which one can associate.
I read the other day that UConn is building segrated dorms. One can go to college on various campuses and never really take a class with a white student. Even down here, Tucson Unified School district created a Latino Studies track for high school kids...they would only be in a classroom with others that looked like them the whole day. The State of Arizona eventually stepped in and blocked it. Seems to me, we are going in the other direction of where we used to be prior to the Civil Rights movement and it's too bad.
My wife (who was born in Mexico) doesn't really follow politics but she loves trolling her white liberal friends at work by saying she is a huge Trump supporter. It's great because they can't say anything and just sit there and fume.
In society, there seems to be a narrative that young black men need a black man of authority to mentor them to success because only they can understand the social and cultural issues of the young man. IMO, this is completely false any more than it is necessary for young white men to need a white mentor. One of my best supervisors, and we tend to take that stuff seriously in the military, was a black guy who looked like the dude from The Green Mile. A gentle giant but very smart when it came to handling younger troops and being able to pull the right strings to motivate them. Also knew his job stuff. Only worked for the guy for a year but learned a lot. To this day, we are good buds. Likewise, I have done the same for other black guys who I've supervised. All of that outside stuff doesn't really matter because one doesn't have a choice in my career and we just have to make it work if we were to succeed as a team.
I think it was Ihawk that said we need to get somebody on staff who is "culturally relatable" to young wrestlers of color. He gives Tony Ramos as an example who as far as I know, is himself a "Red Nexican." To me, it shouldn't matter and maybe you'll miss out on some recruits because of it but excellence should always come first. Seemed to work out for Tony. Speaking of Iowa State, the Gallick Bros went to a Sunnyside High School down here in Tucson that is almost 93% hispanic and 2% white. They were coached by a black guy named Bobby Deberry. The Gallicks didn't go to Sunnyside for the cultural or educational opportunities. They went there because Sunnyside has an outstanding wrestling program with a great coach who could help them get to the next level. This is how a free market should work. BTW, Tucson has open enrollment and the Gallicks lived on the other side of the city and probably could have went to one of the richie-rich schools up in the foothills in Tucson. BTWW-I always get a kick out of how they pronounce Ramos. Instead of Rah-mos which is the Spanish pronunciation...it's Ray-Mos which is the English way.
All of it is a false argument anyways as one goes to college to learn and associate with a "diverse" people. At least that's the bill of goods. I don't need my wrestling coach to be a part time reverend to fill my religious needs. I don't need my wrestling coach to be my math tutor. Why the heck would I need him to fulfill my cultural needs. If that's the case, I believe Iowa has several black fraternities/and clubs in which one can associate.
I read the other day that UConn is building segrated dorms. One can go to college on various campuses and never really take a class with a white student. Even down here, Tucson Unified School district created a Latino Studies track for high school kids...they would only be in a classroom with others that looked like them the whole day. The State of Arizona eventually stepped in and blocked it. Seems to me, we are going in the other direction of where we used to be prior to the Civil Rights movement and it's too bad.
My wife (who was born in Mexico) doesn't really follow politics but she loves trolling her white liberal friends at work by saying she is a huge Trump supporter. It's great because they can't say anything and just sit there and fume.
OneRoughneck,
I'm not going to post a reason, because I don't want to put you down or the board. But the truth is that you're just not a good fit for this board. No details are necessary, but history will back me on this.
And if you think I don't know what I'm talking about, you must be a fan who knows very little about what really occurs on a college wrestling forum.
Holy crap. Is there a Cliff's Notes version of this available somewhere?
Watched some of his football highlights. Kid is D1 wrestling material for sure. If he is not a around the year wrestler yet if he gets In the right environment he could be a monster.
Being from So Cal, I'm basically bilingual ( also blessed with a Mexican wife and kids that are half/bean) and I always thought what you though about Tony's name. One time though I heard him say his name and he said it the goofy white way. "Ray-mos". I was confused. I worked with a guy name Manuel, who was so used to guys pronouncing his name like an owner manual instead of Man-well, he said f-it and started introducing himself as Manual. Maybe that's what Tony did. Oh, and did I miss something is this Michael Zachary kid black? Seriously, I got a little lost here.
Pretty sure Tony doesn't speak Spanish, and "Ray-mos" is his family's preferred pronunciation.
Not sure if you were serious, so cal, but yes, Michael Zachary is African American, and he's a heck of a wrestler who I think would fit in just great at Iowa, despite what some might think (and I suspect nearly all Iowa fans would agree). Would love to see him in black and gold.
Not sure if you were serious, so cal, but yes, Michael Zachary is African American, and he's a heck of a wrestler who I think would fit in just great at Iowa, despite what some might think (and I suspect nearly all Iowa fans would agree). Would love to see him in black and gold.
I just watched Zachary in the finals on TV...he looked awesome. One could certainly see him having much success at the D1 level. Congrats on the state title!
If this is about race, what a bunch of BS. There are two black kids and a Hispanic kid on the Iowa team now. And Iowa has two Hispanic kids committed. And I might even be missing someone. What an absolute joke. Take your racism and go away.
